Classics/Universe canon

[FFN]

That's because he has nothing to do with RiD. He should have been packaged as the Beast Machines toy he is, plain and simple. That's line relevance.

Kids aren't stupid enough to forget Beast Machines after one year, despite the dumbing down that is so prevalent in marketing to children nowadays. Show me a kid who can't tell the difference between (in current terms) Movie Bumblebee and Animated Bumblebee - and where they belong - and I'll find a special needs school for him.

It is simple marketing at the end of the day. Beast Machines toys were yesterday's news. RID was today's hot thing, and since BM didn't do so well, they put him in the packaging of a line that would probably serve the toy better in selling him, particularly for the retailer that ended up with loads of unsold Supreme class Cheetors. I doubt they would have wanted another Supreme class Beast Machines toy.

I don't get why you're so determined to defend the lazy efforts of Hasbro marketing.

Show me where these toys appear in the Armada comic or cartoon.

Following your own logic from the AAOP debate, these Minicons should not be sold as Armada because kids won't recognise them as Transformers, since that line hasn't been around for five years.

I wouldn't object to them being labelled as Armada if there was a proper attempt to tie these moulds which were never released during that era to Armada. And the whole "Minicons are Armada" thing is a little weak considering we've seen Minicons under the Energon, Cybertron, Classics, Universe and Movie banners. Yes, fans associate Minicons with Armada, but not exclusively so. And kids today probably wont, since they've been in almost every subline since.

I won't base my decision to purchase this pack solely on the label, but since it's a fairly expensive pack of repaints with an interesting layout there's a fairly good chance that fans like myself would consider this pack as something to keep sealed. In which case the label becomes relevant. I probably wont get this set, since the repaints don't interest me, but the "Armada" label on it pretty much rules out buying to keep sealed. And I'm not bent out of shape about that, but Hasbro's lazy packaging may just have lost them a purchase.

Haven't you ever heard of retroactive continuity? They can place new characters in older continuities if they wish. What? New molds of new characters should never be done for older fiction? Its just "Hey, these are new Mini-Con teams that you didn't see previously."

That's it. You buy them and play with them, and if you so wish, you can imagine them as belonging to any continuity if you so choose. Hasbro isn't locking you into some kind of continuity contract for these toys that you must follow or oblige

[TheDirtyDigger]

Hasbro isn't locking you into some kind of continuity contract for these toys that you must follow or oblige

They do for some nerds.

No, he's actually Unicron (ie. he eats everything & vomits the leftovers out altogether - that's how they all live in the same universe... )

Haha............good one.....

[dirge]

It is simple marketing at the end of the day. Beast Machines toys were yesterday's news.

So you want to claim this while defending Hasbro's right to sell Minicons as Armada in 2008? Armada is past being yesterday's news - it was last on the shelves five years ago. An eight year old would have been three then, and in the five years since, we've had MiniCons in most Transformers lines. So if BM was yesterday's news after one year, then what does that make Armada?



You're entitled to defend Hasbro's right to not take pride in their products. But you may want to reconsider presenting contradictory arguments at the same time. It'll make your case a lot stronger.

[Paulbot]

The way I see it is that 2006 Classics has a story: an alternate what happened next following from the US Marvel Comic.

IMO, 2008 Universe on the otherhand continues the Universe storyline of Transformers from alternate realities being plucked out of their regular time and space and fighting alongside/against each other. (Like Marvel Comic's Exiles series). Therefore you have Minicons plucked out of the Armada universe, you have Roadbuster and Dirge plucked out of Marvel UK, Ratbat and Springer from Dreamwave War Within, and Prowl, Sunstreaker and the other new 'classics' from a G1 Universe (whichever one it is), and eventually characters like Cheetor and Hot Shot also coming through.

[kup]

The way I see it is that 2006 Classics has a story: an alternate what happened next following from the US Marvel Comic.

IMO, 2008 Universe on the otherhand continues the Universe storyline of Transformers from alternate realities being plucked out of their regular time and space and fighting alongside/against each other. (Like Marvel Comic's Exiles series). Therefore you have Minicons plucked out of the Armada universe, you have Roadbuster and Dirge plucked out of Marvel UK, Ratbat and Springer from Dreamwave War Within, and Prowl, Sunstreaker and the other new 'classics' from a G1 Universe (whichever one it is), and eventually characters like Cheetor and Hot Shot also coming through.

That's how Roller likes to think of it and it would be good if it were official but Hasbro themselves have said that this new Universe series is completly different to the original Universe line so this form of thinking is officially incorrect. Archer himself have said that the line has several continuities which have absolutely nothing to do with each other so there isn't one over arching story line engulfing them all like the original Universe line.

Those minicons in the Universe set officially belong to the Timelines continuity which have ZERO to do with Armada so its pretty much as careless stuff up on their end.

[roller]

That's how Roller likes to think of it and it would be good if it were official but Hasbro themselves have said that this new Universe series is completly different to the original Universe line so this form of thinking is officially incorrect. Archer himself have said that the line has several continuities which have absolutely nothing to do with each other so there isn't one over arching story line engulfing them all like the original Universe line.

Those minicons in the Universe set officially belong to the Timelines continuity which have ZERO to do with Armada so its pretty much as careless stuff up on their end.

I didn't know that Hasbro said that. Is this some kind of twisted joke? I mean really, your launching a new line with similiar designs as last years "Classics" and your going to use the same name as a completely different series?!?!!!! What the heck?! Did Hasbro ever give a reason as to why they didnt continue using the "Classics" title?

This is ridiculous, there are 2 lines called 'Universe' and they are completely different continuities from each other?!!! Who came up with this stupid idea?

Why didnt they come up with a new name?!? Idiots!

[Pulse]

This is ridiculous, there are 2 lines called 'Universe' and they are completely different continuities from each other?!!! Who came up with this stupid idea?

& we can all blame:



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[kup]

I am sorry Roller, but that man holding the Movie Prime in Pulse's pic did say the following:

Universe is not a storyline unto itself. It is a compilation of stories.

You can read all about it here:

http://tformers.com/article.php?sid=9351

[TheDirtyDigger]

& we can all blame:



:l

I've got that shirt!