That's all I've ever been saying. It's Gok's imagery that seemingly said different.
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That's all I've ever been saying. It's Gok's imagery that seemingly said different.
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It's all a bit meh.
I am keen as heck to see combiner/Gestalts but i could KILL for new moulds!
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I hear ya!Originally Posted by Soundwarp
That "Classics Devastator" is not the Classics Devastator we should have gotten...
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I would prefer new molds too but I can live with a Superion Maximus repaint as long as the G1 tribute is done properly in the color scheme.
Archer said at Botcon that they will not be doing combiner Gestalts because they are too difficult to develop or something. I am more inclined to think that they don't want Gestalts because they would actually need to focus on their transfomation and design instead of stupid gimmicks.
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If that turns out to be true, i thought the idea of combining into a bigger robot was the gimmick.....
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Yeah but that is a smart gimmick. They now seem to prefer the model of an electronic box with a transformer wrapped around it instead. This is not always a bad thing as sometimes its pulled off fairly elegantly but sadly it encourages laziness in design and more often than not it ends in awful toys.If that turns out to be true, i thought the idea of combining into a bigger robot was the gimmick.....
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I'd have preferred it if they mixed up the teams for Universe. The thing I disliked most about the Energon teams was that there were only three unique toys per giant robot;
so for instance using the Decepticon helicopter as one of the limbs of a Universe 2.0 Superion set would make it more interesting -- but they are still short another flying vehicle to make up the fifth spot.
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Yeah i know, i would of preferred more poseability over electronics in some of them
"sometimes, i even wonder if it would of been better it they added a separate electronic box instead....."
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(FACTS)
1/ In G1 the word "Combiner" = multiple robots who transformed into a single alt mode, e.g.: Blackout and Space Shot combine to form a jet.
2/ Until 2001 there was never an official term of sub-groups of Transformers that merged into a super robot, e.g.: Devastator, Superion etc., although those sub-groups were officially known as "Special Teams."
3/ Around 1994 the word "gestalt" had entered common fan lingo used to describe the combined form of the Special Teams and to avoid confusion and ambiguity with what Hasbro had officially defined as Combiners.
4/ In 2001 Hasbro used the word Combiners to define gestalts in RiD.
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(OPINION)
The term "combiner" is confusing and ambiguous because it has been officially used by Hasbro to describe two entirely different kinds of Transformers. To avoid confusion and ambiguity it is better to continue using the fan-term "gestalt" when referring to the combined Special Teams super-robots and the term "combiner" according to the definition established in Generation 1.
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I think that it may be best to just use common sense in the context of when each term is used. If someone refers to Aerialbots type groups as 'combiners' then its obvious that they mean it as them being capable of forming a Gestalt like Superion. If they refer to Dreadwind and Darkwing as combiners, its clear that the context is not form a Gestalt robot but a combined vehicle mode.
Both terms are already somewhat confusing due to the different types of combining characters/toys, using common sense is the best way instead of confusing and varying terminology.
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