The Pros & Cons of Michael Bay - discussion topic

[Yongeltron]

If i see one more Prime sacrifice himself or die only to come back i'm going to headbutt something -it's cliche, it's tired, it's old. it loses it's edge when you've seen the same thing for the last 30 freaking years.

rule #1 you must die and come back to life
rule #2 you must sacrifice yourself at any given opportunity
yawn. [/SIZE][/FONT]

Agreed. I can understand nostalgia, but what's the point of telling exactly the same story with exactly the same characters again and again for decades on end? Are the Autobots, Decepticons and their endless war really the towering literary and conceptual achievements that would justify such treatment? Even Luke and his pals only blew up the Death Star twice.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Considering that they couldn't even fix Bumblebee's voice box & their limited resources spark storage doesn't seem like a viable option to me.



I may be wrong, but weren't the Dinobots on the ship they needed to travel across the world? Freeing them onboard may not have been the best course of action if they were

Prime does ask for their help first though "so, today you stand with us, or you stand against me."
Grimlock decided to stand against Prime and once Jungle Law was applied and Optimus Prime proved that he was the Alpha Male, Grimlock and the other Dinobots fell in line. Happens in nature every day of the week




That's what we want though, isn't it? we want to see Prime develop as a character. we want to see how he feels and reacts. He's witnessed his family get torn apart, blown up, melted, betrayed by humans and we still expect him to do cartwheels?
If i see one more Prime sacrifice himself or die only to come back i'm going to headbutt something -it's cliche, it's tired, it's old. it loses it's edge when you've seen the same thing for the last 30 freaking years.

rule #1 you must die and come back to life
rule #2 you must sacrifice yourself at any given opportunity
yawn.

Agreed. I can understand nostalgia, but what's the point of telling exactly the same story with exactly the same characters again and again for decades on end? Are the Autobots, Decepticons and their endless war really the towering literary and conceptual achievements that would justify such treatment? Even Luke and his pals only blew up the Death Star twice.

I agree with all of the above

[drifand]

And I don't.

If you are tired of Transformers maybe you should stop everything altogether.

Who is going to complain about combiner wars robots that combined for 30 years? Exactly? What? Have Transformers but dont transform as a new point of direction? Ur no thanks.

Hell yeah, I want to see prime die again.
Bring on powermaster optimus. In fact I want to see Bay run out of options and finally throw in the towel, so bring it on. the faster he finishes this line, the better. I know he does a half arse job in the direction it has gone. Since TF 3 its been a great down slide.

Episode 5 should just solely focus on how bumble bee gets his voice back. < can't see the point he can get a new car body everytime but can't fix his voice.

This story line is sadly on a downhill slide, so only explosions and more Autobots dying is the way to go. Yeah comes to a point where humans are the decepticons and probably one where autobots have to work hand in hand with decepticons for their survival.

[BigTransformerTrev]

If you are tired of Transformers maybe you should stop everything altogether.

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Don't talk stupid crap like that. Just because people enjoy new storylines and takes on characters doesn't mean they are tired of Transformers. And saying: 'If you are tired of Transformers maybe you should stop everything altogether' is like saying if a person is tired of this hobby they should just give up on life.

Have an opposing opinion - that's fine - makes for healthy discussion. But don't spout idiotic one liners like that. It proves no point and makes you look rude and adversarial.

[drifand]

Its my opinion of it, Transformers is what it is, you don't like it thats your take on it. Its been like this for 30 years. If you want I make it three liners and so on. I felt Bay had failed on many levels after the first two movies.

Saying that its like 5th episode of TF movie and bumble bee still kick ass but no voice.

I am standing as it is, if you feel that 30 years was bunch of looser storyline then perhaps you are not watching the Transformers as it is.

You are free to enjoy the movie line as you please. I don't have to agree with everyone here, quite simple.

The optimus I know is definately not of this version.

[BigTransformerTrev]

I am standing as it is, if you feel that 30 years was bunch of looser storyline then perhaps you are not watching the Transformers as it is.

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Again - you are making confronting and adversarial statements. Who said anything about what's come before being loser storylines? People CAN enjoy what has come before and yet still want to see new storylines and different takes on existing characters. I quite liked Wheeljack from TFPrime. A former Wrecker who is battle-hungry and in your face. Does this mean I hated G1 Wheeljack? Of course not! I love the affable mad scientist! In fact I like the G1 version better but I still enjoyed this take on him.

Like I've said in other threads, the Movieverse Optimus is certainly in no way how I would have written and portrayed the character, but it doesn't stop me enjoying this different take on him where he is becoming hardened from all the struggles they have been through on earth such as being betrayed by his mentor, being betrayed by the humans, watching his friends die, dying himself etc etc.

You need to calm down and make rational arguments mate - not make confronting statements that make it sound like you are casting judgements on others because of their proclivities - DONT say thing like 'you are not watching Transformers as it is' - it's just rude.

[drifand]

Again it is what it is.

transformers 7.2
revenge of the fallen 6.0
DOTM 6.3
Transformers: Age of Extinction(2014) 5.8


Speaks for itself doesn't it?

You can like it all you want. Nobody's stopping you.

The looser battles is what its all its been, so saying "I am tired of it" you are sick of it.

BTW, many out there are clueless of the existence of G1 Transformers.
What I feel is the movie line has almost demolished every single thing that what transformers was.