The Doctor Who thread

[Autocon]

Yeah sad to see it go to Disney+. Will not catch any new episodes or the 60th anni episode.

Spoilers

The surprise reunion thing was nice. The ending was unexpected.

Didnt hate it. See where it takes us

[snaketales]

You reckon they'll try explain Susan away as an earlier bi-regeneration?

[GoktimusPrime]

I'm perfectly fine with bigeneration. What I'm more unhappy about is Sir Isaac Newton being played by a half Asian actor. I don't mean to be racist (I'm of Asian descent); but Sir Isaac Newton was White, and IMO he should've been played by a White actor.

I couldn't care less what ethnicity or gender etc. they cast for fictional characters; they're not real. But when it comes to people who were real, then IMO they should be played by actors and actresses who better resemble them. Changing the ethnic appearance of an actual person who lived in real life is a form of historical revisionism.

My favourite episode of the Thirteeth Doctor was Rosa, where Black actress Vinette Robinson played Rosa Parks, and Black actor Ray Sesay played Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. Great. Or how about Tony Curran, the actor who played Vincent Van Gogh? His likeness to Van Gogh is so uncanny, that whenever I see him in other roles, I cannot help but see him as Vincent Van Gogh! But I really don't know why they cast a Brown man as Sir Isaac Newton. And don't even start me on "mavity." This is why I refused to watch the Netflix Cleopatra documentary where they cast a Black woman as Cleopatra.



Again, when it comes to fictional characters, I couldn't care less about the ethnic appearance of whom they cast. It's funny when I tell kids that Nick Fury was originally White, because they've grown up seeing Samuel L. Jackson as Nick Fury that they cannot imagine him as a White man! But please don't change the ethnic appearances of real life people. I was completely on board with the Doctor being a woman, and I'm perfectly fine with the Doctor being a Black Scotsman. The Doctor's not a real person, heck, he's not even human. I can get on board with bigeneration, because this is the biology of a fictitious alien... writers change that stuff all the time (Superman originally couldn't fly; he leapt tall buildings in a single bound).

I'm hoping that the show will later give an explanation for Brown Sir Isaac Newton; did the Doctor slip into a different universe?
I've also seen fan theories about the Fourteenth Doctor being destined to either become the Watcher or the Valeyard, but I personally think that they should just leave him alone. Let the character enjoy his retirement like the Meta Doctor has with Rose Tyler.

[GoktimusPrime]

Something that doesn't sit right with me when the Thirteenth Doctor regenerated into the Fourteenth was how her clothes changed. The Doctor's never been able to generate clothing out of thin air before. Why couldn't the Fourteenth Doctor have appeared wearing the Thirteenth's clothes? After all, she first appeared wearing the Twelfth Doctor's clothes (which were too big for her, being 16cm shorter than her previous self). Almost every other Doctor (and Time Lord) regenerates wearing their predecessor's apparel.

Which begs two questions:
1/ Why has no Time Lord ever regenerated clothing before?
2/ Why didn't the Doctor generate a second set of clothes when he bigenerated into the Fifteenth Doctor?

I actually quite like how the Fourteenth and Fifteenth Doctors split their clothes amongst themselves. It makes sense; your body has just doubled, so your clothes are now divided between the two of you. Fourteen has no shoes and Fifteen has no trousers etc. (Fifteen got a better deal than when the Tenth Doctor spawned the Meta Doctor in the buff!) I like how they paid attention to this detail. Which just irritates me even more than they completely ignored this when Thirteen regenerated into Fourteen! Gah!


Most incarnations of the Doctor have made his/her first appearance wearing the clothes of his/her predecessor. Exceptions being:
* Eighth Doctor waking up naked in a morgue.
* Meta-Crisis Doctor generating naked (since he spawned from a spare hand of the Tenth Doctor).
And that's it. Either way, none of them created their own new clothes out of nothing.

[Paulbot]

A wizard did it. (The Celestial Toymaker)

Saw a theory that Mavity is going to be a recurring element like Bad Wolf, Torchwood, Saxon of RTDs earlier shows.

[DELTAprime]

Legit question. Did the first Doctor regenerate from anyone/thing?

[Paulbot]

Legit question. Did the first Doctor regenerate from anyone/thing?

According to recent stories yes - there were multiple (maybe hundreds) of incarnations before the first Doctor we saw.

[Seraphim Prime]

Something that doesn't sit right with me when the Thirteenth Doctor regenerated into the Fourteenth was how her clothes changed. The Doctor's never been able to generate clothing out of thin air before. Why couldn't the Fourteenth Doctor have appeared wearing the Thirteenth's clothes?

Out of universe answer - Russell T Davis was very aware of potential concerns around cross-dressing or anything that could be seen as the 14th Doctor cross-dressing. So he made a deliberate choice that only the 13th Doctor would wear her clothes. (although this misses the precedent set by the forced regeneration into The Master"

In universe, on the fly I would say, an abundance of energy following either the destruction of much of the universe in the Flux or following the machinations in the Flux by and The Master's manipulations in her regeneration and the consequent fix meant that the current clothes burnt up and new ones were able to be manipulated directly from the latent energy, converting energy into matter, by redirection of the regeneration energy.

They have already established that it was a subconscious regeneration into a previous face to send a message to slow down, this could have subconsciously extended to the clothing if there was enough latent energy.

[Bumblebee2000]

Second doctor's outfit simply changes, Third Doctor could have regenerated those clothes that feels somewhat implied to me, a recent Big Finish story had a thing called Degeneration and outfits changing each time
Also Doctor Who is a weird show to be complaining about continuity.

The Doctor is a human from the future wait no a Time Lord Fugitive or maybe he is the founder of Time Lord Society (The Other/Seventh Doctor), Eight fought in the Time War never mind that was John Hurt but here is a new story about Eight ending the Time War after that retcon, The Doctor has thirteen lives and the Valeyard happens but then who are the Morbius faces and they are the founder of Time Lord society again with hundreds of lives but in a contradictory way to him working with Rassilon

I also agree it is a unique regeneration, in the modern era picking out the clothes is part of establishing a new identity but 14 is someone with other things to figure out, why this Doctor is back. So the clothes come with that. One could also say he stopped letting regeneration change his clothes once he learnt he cared about his presentation as an identity forming thing as opposed to letting Regeneration handle that