Awww.... poor old MannyOriginally Posted by Ralph Wiggum
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Awww.... poor old Manny
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So what's next rogue two on why second Death Star is still
Poorly designed?
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What???????
You realise for #2 they flew into the reactor itself... no exhaust port...
and the plans were "ok"... to the emperors eyes... everyone who knew of Galens "flaws" is dead by the time the Medal Ceremony commences... so they just go... "Get the plans, fix that trench Vader says they aimed for... and make it bigger"
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Yeah iirc Death Star II once completed would've been impervious with no outward weaknesses. The path into the main core I assume would've been sealed up once construction was completed.
Hence why the Emperor allowed the Rebels to find out the location of Death Star II, knowing it was too tempting a target (or the only chance to take it down) whilst under construction.
Actually the pre-battle Yavin briefing in ANH makes it clear that capital ships would be decimated by the Death Star's main defenses consisting of turbolasers (can't be bothered digging up the quote). I'm sure the Rebels had other fleets in reserve but starfighters were clearly the way to go.The Battle of Yavin makes more sense from an in universe point of view now because the Rebel fleet was smashed about two days before hand, which is why there was no cap ship support. Red and Gold Squadron arguably get wiped out so quickly probably because they're so combat fatigued.
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I suppose there is the "It's defenses are designed around a direct large-scale assault" line.
In a way though I suppose it does give greater meaning to the ROTJ assault then, and explain that line better - the audience had no idea before ROTJ that the Death Star could do low power ship destroying shots.
I'm really just here for the free food and open bar.
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Even the path into the Death Star II wasn't an easy thing for the Rebels to get to; only two of the fighters managed to make it to the reactor without being destroyed.
Because we didn't see capital ships in ANH, and saw them gathering at the end of ESB and attacking in ROTJ, I had assumed that the rebellion had a much smaller number of big ships at the time of ANH - and the events of that film helped more rebel and add their forces to the mix. So seeing the big armada jump in during this film surprised me. (Even though I've played games like Xwing where there was a big fleet for game purposes).
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Well...actually Lando told the fighters to split up in order to try get some of the pursuing Tie Fighters off his back
I certainly agree that the Rebels would've gained more support following the Battle of Yavin. But we didn't see Rebel capital ships in ANH simply because of where it was set. The only planets/moons we saw were Tatooine and Yavin 4. And I reckon the Rebels would've ordered any capital ships out of Yavin 4's orbit once they knew the Death Star was approaching.
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In terms of difficulty I think a new hope was rather more difficult especially when you have a freaking ace pilot darth Vader on your arse. What was it? 2m shaft?
Is a one of a shot.
Not saying rotj was easy, just saying it was a bit simpler.
Anyway the movie was fine, as some people comment some actors were not even necessary in it. In any case, is still better than episodes 1-3 anyday
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Yah what? I think is still silly weakness imo. Especially big enough for a falcon to fly in. Of course my opinion.
Come to rethink it, the chances of you hitting a bullseye is a lot harder than the second Death Star. Luke had the force to get the shot, not many pilots can ace it. Second Death Star is basically get the shield down and is just a matter of getting pilots in. No Jedi skills required as shown.
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The shield is the main point here, that's what the Empire relied upon pre completion to protect Death Star II.
Yes it took a force wielder to make that glorious shot on the one weakness that was implanted by the designer of the original Death Star but isn't that now the point since R1?
As a modern canon SW guy and having dropped the previous EU "canon" TFA is a bit of a shemozzle and is realistically a reboot of Star Wars without being a reboot. R1 delivered on a lot of levels, it didn't try to create it's own Methos or pre-retcon stuff for ep 7 and beyond. It's a very solid story and imho is the best introduction to Star Wars for a non Star Wars fan.
If you look at the film on it's own; it's a good space action drama with characters who's plight moves you and as a stand alone it would open up a tonne of questions. That to me is why it would be perfect as "Star Wars 1"
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