If only we had a captain that has had to actually "CAPTAIN" a team before.........
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If only we had a captain that has had to actually "CAPTAIN" a team before.........
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Yep while Ponting is a great player, he is by no means a great captain, compared to say Waugh, Border etc. He has just been lucky that he has had a pretty awesome group of players under him and hasn't needed to do any real captaining, now he has to, and we're seeing what he really is like as a captain..Originally Posted by Soundwarp
I'm pretty happy to hear that Marsh is going over to India to open, hopefully he performs well enough to take Hayden or Jaques spot permanently.
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Agreed, Ponting was and still maybe one of the best as a BATSMAN.....
Yeah Old ROY just failed at home so i wouldn't send him either, even though i am a huge fan of his!
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Haha yeah he's having a pretty rough trot playing for QLD eh, hasn't really done anything of note from what I've read/seen..
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Yeah, I want Symonds back. His presence is immense. He developed into probably one of the game-changing players that teams absolutely dreaded. Clarke does not bring that. He's an underachiever. Opposition sides actually fear Symonds. But his form doesn't suggest he'll be back soon.
Not to mention there seems to be a denial in the Australian camp about the fact that they need fresh blood. Fact is they were outplayed and there are too many players in that team that are not proven, gap-fillers or have limited potential.
D. Hussey has had a very lean start to this season too which makes me sad. His IPL wasn't great either after a bright early start. Marsh too failed with the bat on three outings in the domestic comp. but he does have the runs on the board and I can't think of anyone more deserving to go. Voges is another that comes to mind for me when I think about WA too.
And I agree completely on Ponting. One of the best batsman we'll see in world cricket but not a captain. He doesn't even begin to compare to the likes of Waugh and Border. Ponting doesn't inspire, he doesn't lead. He's a fighter at times but his personality doesn't dominate the team, doesn't lift them like say Waugh. Warne is the captain Australia should have had if not for his indiscretions. There's not much to say about Warne as a father and as a husband but he was a leader of men. The players lift for him, the players believe in him and he carries himself. I can bet you he'd still be playing right now if he was captain. Not to say that we wouldn't have been drubbed in India, Warne has never had a good record there but Warne's confidence would've kept things together. Much like Steve Waugh after the Windies tour of 1999 and before the World Cup. While the media/public was against S. Waugh, you always felt that S. Waugh commanded the respect of the players and the selectors. Warne had that too. People keep saying that Clarke has leadership potential, I don't see that. He seems nothing more than an impetuous Ponting.
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While I have always been a massive Ponting supporter, i have to concur, he is not the type of leader that other players lift for.
Waugh, Gilchrist and Warne were all players others lifted for.
In this side right now I think the only player that the rest of the team would lift for is Matthew Hayden, and he wont be in the side much longer. M. Hussey would make the best captain, but he is too much of a private man but I feel he could play the role of the ego masseur and negotiator that every captain needs to be.
Symonds recent form does not indicate a return to the Test side, but we all know he would rise to the challenge, I wonder if the Aussie team would also rise with him, or if they would turn on him?
Bringing Hodge back into the fold may not be a bad idea when we play New Zealand and South Africa later this summer.
And Shaun Tait is showing the positive effects that taking a break from year round cricket can do, I expect to see him in the ODI team this year. With Tait, Bracken and Hopes being used as ODI specialists, we could very soon have two completely different bowling attacks in the long and short forms of the game.
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Great thread!
Great minds must think alike because i totally agree with you all....
I still say bring back Warne and make him Captain, Coach and selector.
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Meh. They're just cricketers. I'm pretty much over sports people altogether. Admire them for their abilities but let's find some other people to hold in high regard as deserving role models. I've come to in recent months look for people that I hold as role models Julian Burnside. Sports stars, as are media celebrities, are for the most part self-interested, self-absorbed individuals that are hardly the role models we need.
On a cricket note, the Vics notched up a win over Qld which is nice. David Hussey got into the runs though there wasn't much pressure on him. Symonds again failed and was atrocious with the ball.
And looking ahead to the Adelaide test match, it looks like draw central at the moment. NSW and SA are headed for another plain old draw. The Vics also drew there earlier but did win 1st innings points. Any runs made on that pitch may not really be indicative of the fact that its such a good wicket. Hodge and Jewell made centuries there so it'll be interesting to see how they fair on other wickets.
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Haha bs STL! As resident jock 'round these parts I'ma bet you're first in line to get your ball signed.
My role models from an early age were Superman, Batman and the Punisher. In my teen years it became Rorschach and The Comedian. And a bit later it was Tyler Durden.
Yeah so I have problems with reality.
Oh and Julian Burnside is a hippie and a communist!
Shane Warne is an excellent role model for prospective cricketers and philandering, text obsessed, balding men as well.
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