SPOILER THREAD - The Last Jedi

[acz83]

Is Snoke dead? Was he just a projection like Luke... if he was truly the bridge between Kyle and Rey talking through the force how could they do it at the end of the movie if he was dead?

[i_amtrunks]

Snoke was powerful as any Force user we’ve seen in the main medium (bar maybe starkiller and expanded universe books) but as is always the case in Star Wars, overconfidence leads to downfall. Jedi, Sith, light, dark, grey, it does not matter. The moment you get cocky, something bad is going to happen.
Luke losing a hand, anakin thinking he’d take out Kenobi, Windu arresting Palpatine, Snoke thinking he’d gotten his hearts desire (I guess... we have no idea who/what he was or his motivations). The only time this rule is broken is if the Falcon is involved!

I enjoyed this movie, I liked the ties to Empire but I love that not everything ties back to Skywalker. I hope Rey remains a nobody, that Ren remains a petulant little snot with power. Phasma was wasted, Chewbacca was wasted but I understand why. The casino scene was bloated and over cooked but the failure of the heroes was much needed as well. The stupid first order chase was another stupid over confidence failure and punishment. The scene of Holdo hyperdriving through the fleet was masterful, the sound department deserve an Oscar for it alone.

I never expected Leia to survive the bridge attack so I was flummoxed on how they use her next movie, it won’t be enough to have her leave the resistance from being heart broken or some such off screen. I expected Snoke to have more information gleaned as well as the knights of ren (Praetorian guard as the knights was my expectation) and I expected Luke to go out like Kenobi in A New Hope so I was very glad he didn’t. I am actually glad to see him go, he was always one my least liked elements of the original trilogy, the fact he was declared a Jedi master after what seemed like days of training was hilarious. The flashback temple scenes were a disappointment too in that again the knights were mentioned but never amounted to anything.

Lots to like, no movie is perfect but the cast performed admirably, the highs were sensational, the lows mere blips in the overal scheme of things. Not everything has to be tied off nice and neat, not every question needs an answer (plus that’s what the next animated series after rebels may delve into). I love that from here they could go anywhere with the story. The heroes are unsupported by all but a stablehand, the only working lightsaber is a poorly constructed spitting cross guarded one and the main villains, while still powerful have little leadership.

Personally I hope the first order splinters as it is obvious to all and sundry that between Hux and Ren, the leadership group is incompetent and imbicilic! No one would follow either of them after their numerous failures.

Also full points for puppet Frank Oz Yoda. Don’t care that he controlled lightning from beyond the grave. Just good to have the puppet crazy and insane Yoda back.

On a side note I’m peeved about the LEGO set tie ins. The bomber is amazing as a set but were mostly crap, the destroyer barely features, Snokes ship and the big gun ship were more important. The gorilla walkers barely feature and the Crait scenes not overly good in their conversion to LEGO... at least Rens tie fighter is on the mark and the training set seems decent...

[drifand]

I dont like Rey being a nobody, sorry this is poor story telling. There are several good theories and I wished this was one that the directors had taken an opportunity to PICK one.

I feel less connected to it when Kylo pushed it "you are nobody"
It felt like so how this Nobody managed to know the force.

From now on Jaku is my replacement word for Nowhere. lol

[i_amtrunks]

So all the other hundreds of Jedi before the purge were nobodies? I think someone being naturally gifted in the force is far superior than having to be related to a skywalker or other Jedi.

The force is a connection of all living things, not just things connected to skywalkers. Otherwise it’s almost like a royal family for the force and that’s just boring!

[drifand]

You dont have to agree, I am not agreeing with you, simple.

Like I said, the story feels better if she was of more importance, regardless it was going to be hidden secret that she was related to someone else, didn't have to be Skywalker. < Yoda isn't Skywalker, so is Quigon, or Obwan.

I don't like it. It just gives me the crap that oh wait Finn suddenly has the force. Oh wait Poh too. Let our powers combine. Oh give me a break.
Connected to all yes, have the power and knowledge to wield the force only selected few who are trained or had some connection to another.
General everybody have the force = mess

There is MORE story to tell if she is someone, and thats where I am at.
Right now, she is dead end.

Snoke was the same, many felt cheated, not because he died, because nobody really knows who he is or how he became the leader. Story was just cut short.

To summarize, The Force Awakens had the juice to make you ponder and is the two biggest questions in that episode.

1. Who is Rey
2. Who is Snoke

The Last Jedi > Who cares? is the answer to that episode.

Where the story is at now, there isn't actually anything pulling me to be excited about. Like who cares about who Rey is? Is nobody. Leia will die, and the only thing left is whether Rey is able to turn Kylo back to Ben. Is that exciting? Or shall we have another trip to the casino and maybe Lando will finally appear.

Did anyone felt let down about the dark pit that Rey faced was nothing too?
Gee that felt like worse than Luke facing the false darth vader.
It doesn't do much as it was calling to her and she faced it to see nothing?

Fight scene with the guards, now while everything looks good. My only take is that the two found it so hard to take them down being they both have the force and never even used it.

[i_amtrunks]

There is MORE story to tell if she is someone, and thats where I am at.
Right now, she is dead end.

Or is the story how all these unknown force users move forward in a Jedi and sith free future?

Lots of questions left at the end of the movie, where to now for the resistance? how long till Hux and Ren destroy the first order with their incompetence?, how will Phasma be wasted in the third movie? will Finn get the redemption he seeks?

Just because the original trilogy characters bar chewier and the droids are gone does not mean the story cannot move forward. The skywalker saga will end with Ben coming around to not being a tyrannical Vader wannabe or he will be ended by the new “nobody” force users bringing an end (for now) of the Jedi and sith orders.

It gives me hope for the franchise going forward that they will not be bound to the boring skywalker saga.

We all just want different things from our Star Wars stories.

[Gouki]

When the rolling intro came into view at the start it confirmed what I had suspected; that The Last Jedi will contain Empire Strikes Back easter eggs but little did I know that there'd be more than that. So here's what I can recall


3. Snoke's throne room/ Emperor's throne room.
3a. Snoke and the Emperor both say "Fulfill your destiny".
3b. Snoke and the Emperor both point out to Rey/Luke that all is lost and show them the plight of their friends.

PS I find The Last Jedi better than The Force Awakens.

This is Return not Empire

You dont have to agree, I am not agreeing with you, simple.

Like I said, the story feels better if she was of more importance, regardless it was going to be hidden secret that she was related to someone else, didn't have to be Skywalker. < Yoda isn't Skywalker, so is Quigon, or Obwan.

I don't like it. It just gives me the crap that oh wait Finn suddenly has the force. Oh wait Poh too. Let our powers combine. Oh give me a break.
Connected to all yes, have the power and knowledge to wield the force only selected few who are trained or had some connection to another.
General everybody have the force = mess

Finn isn't suddenly Force sensitive. He can't use the Force.

here is MORE story to tell if she is someone, and thats where I am at.
Right now, she is dead end.

Are you serious? A character only has worth is they're related to a lore famous character?

To summarize, The Force Awakens had the juice to make you ponder and is the two biggest questions in that episode.

1. Who is Rey
2. Who is Snoke

The Last Jedi > Who cares? is the en used it.

Who is Rey absolutely matters. Who she is and who she will become is the driving force behind this trilogy. You're just upset her past hasn't made her super duper important by revealing she's a Kenobi or a Skywalkers or a Solo or something. Her parents don't matter. Max even says as much in the Force Awakens.

[drifand]

Finn isn't force sensitive but he is a NOBODY.

I am not upset, I am just not in agreeing that she should be nobody, as nobody is everybody else.

I don't get the WHY people seem to think when I say she should not be nobody immediately means she must be some related high profile character? There are many jedi that I dont even know or think about. My point is, someone with the force should have either inherited it, and not just hey you, yes you nobody, you now know the force. "Oh yes I do!", urm no doesn't really work, well for me anyway in story telling.

Anyway, like I said, if you like it good on you, I just felt the story isn't properly done. but thats my take and my opinion. I don't see any point to be angry about it as any damage is already done, not sure what JJ does but in many ways JJ does the job better than this movie did.

Who is Darth Vader? Nobody. yah? ur no.

To me the movie isn't bad, but it isn't great either due to many plot holes.
burning the books when in the end it didn't matter because Rey stole them anyway.

After killing Snoke and at the falcon Rey still connected with Kylo. Probably Kylo hoping to catch Rey finally showering

Leia flying was a bit over the top.

[philby]

On a side note I’m peeved about the LEGO set tie ins. The bomber is amazing as a set but were mostly crap, the destroyer barely features, Snokes ship and the big gun ship were more important. The gorilla walkers barely feature and the Crait scenes not overly good in their conversion to LEGO... at least Rens tie fighter is on the mark and the training set seems decent...

That's probably a general timing and merchandising thing. Remember there was a Lego snowspeeder for the force awakens which only ended up in the background of one shot and also the black series constable zuvio who got cut completely. They only get access to concepts and design ideas not the finished movie.

[i_amtrunks]

That's probably a general timing and merchandising thing. Remember there was a Lego snowspeeder for the force awakens which only ended up in the background of one shot and also the black series constable zuvio who got cut completely. They only get access to concepts and design ideas not the finished movie.

Fully aware of that, there are rumours of an upcoming LEGO sand speeder that may have meant to been on Crait, but considering the long and profitable relationship the two companies have had, you’d think they could do better!