Discussion of Collection counting methods

[dirge]

Simple, really. Debate, discuss, disagree. Ad nauseum

[Borgeman]

why thank you dirge

George

[jaydisc]

Excrement!

If I may begin:

To me, much of the extra articles all cover something that is already quite clearly summed up in Article 1, which is:

1. Any product created under licence from Hasbro Inc. and/or Takara(Tomy) Co., Ltd under the "Transformers?" logo.

and

2. The toy must transform.

Which articles are TRULY required for further clarification and which articles go against that clarification?

e.g. Article 12 seems to greatly conflict with point 2

[dirge]

jaydisc is referring to Gok's UCM, by the way

Transformers Juniors & Choro-Qs don't conflict, but I agree that Revoltechs and bearbricks do!

Really the only non transforming figures which have specifically defined as actual Transformers by HasTakTomy are the Actionmasters. And while a _lot_ of fans aren't so keen on them, few would argue their status as proper Transformers for that reason.

The other stuff like Revoltech and HOCs were never really defined by HasTakTomy as true Transformers. So I don't count 'em.

I also don't count the two Microman figures (Superlink Kicker and Ga'mede), even though I possess and enjoy both (:

[TheDirtyDigger]

I count customs coz I think they are actually cooler than factory-produced.

[roller]

revoltechs are just cartoon accurate moveable figures

they must never be counted or a torrent of 'your mum' jokes will sear onto your speech pattern

[Soundwarp]

Excrement!

If I may begin:

To me, much of the extra articles all cover something that is already quite clearly summed up in Article 1, which is:

1. Any product created under licence from Hasbro Inc. and/or Takara(Tomy) Co., Ltd under the "Transformers?" logo.

and

2. The toy must transform.

Which articles are TRULY required for further clarification and which articles go against that clarification?

e.g. Article 12 seems to greatly conflict with point 2

Well if it meets either of them it should be ok...

The biggest thing is Action Masters etc....

They don't transform but they are Transformers

[GoktimusPrime]

hmmm found the unicron link -> http://www.angelfire.com/mech/jinsao...s/Unicron.html

hmmmm... this is going to be debatable in the UCM since the original form is not even a "Transformer" as such

According to Article01 (and more importantly, the law!) they don't count because customs are not officially licensed by HasTak. When it comes to the legality of customs, if it's an original character/creation that's significantly different (>10%?) from the original toy then it counts as your own original creation. But the fact that it was created without licence means that it does not legally classify as a Transformer product.

What becomes more of a legal 'no-no' is when you create customs based on characters already owned by HasTak, like Classics Runamuck - although HasTak have never made a Classics Runamuck, the fact is that the Runamuck character, name and likeness is legal intellectual property of HasTak and HasTak can sue you if you tried to sell such customs. I've personally never heard of them taking legal action against anyone who's done so, but I have heard and seen auctions for such customs on eBay getting shut down because they infringe eBay user Terms of Service (as they are a copyright infringement).

[Saintly]

According to Article01 (and more importantly, the law!) they don't count because customs are not officially licensed by HasTak. When it comes to the legality of customs, if it's an original character/creation that's significantly different (>10%?) from the original toy then it counts as your own original creation. But the fact that it was created without licence means that it does not legally classify as a Transformer product.

What becomes more of a legal 'no-no' is when you create customs based on characters already owned by HasTak, like Classics Runamuck - although HasTak have never made a Classics Runamuck, the fact is that the Runamuck character, name and likeness is legal intellectual property of HasTak and HasTak can sue you if you tried to sell such customs. I've personally never heard of them taking legal action against anyone who's done so, but I have heard and seen auctions for such customs on eBay getting shut down because they infringe eBay user Terms of Service (as they are a copyright infringement).

Then I guess if HasTak wants to, they could essentially shutdown the whole C.A.S.E network... after that, we're going to hear alot of screaming TF'ers bashing down the HasTak corporate office doors