Discussion of Collection counting methods

[Borgeman]

PWN!!!!

George

[dirge]

Geez, you take it really personally there. "Infiltrating"?

As in, whether or not any would end up in my collection (:

By definition then, all Transformer products are Transformers. They carry the name, they are identified as such. Hasbro would regard a Robot Replica or Robot Heroes as a Transformer, albeit a non-transforming one.

Yeah, this is true for a large extent (some things would fall outside the definition, still, but a lot would be included). The reason the fandom - generally - includes AMs is because they were specifically included by Hasbro. As I said, a lot of fans aren't necessarily happy with the inclusion.

I cannot imagine that Hasbro meant to market them as anything as other than Transformers.

Actually, I doubt Hasbro really care about marketing items such as (for example) a HOC as a Transformer or not - they just want the brand name to help selling the toy. It's this lack of definition which causes fans to differ on whether or not to count them. The crap thing is that there _is_ no right answer. As you say, troublesome.

To blindly contend that the black letter of the law is exactly what Hasbro states is mindboggling and unfortunate.

Well, in the case of Actionmasters or Animorphs (I hate to admit it, in the latter case) it removes the ambivalence attached to so many other items. Which is why the general concensus is to count such items.

I personally don't consider Animorphs as TFs, but then I don't have any, which allows me to reconcile my own opinion with Hasbro's marketing decision. It's simply a moot point in my case. And I'm happy about that

By the same token, I have no problem with you purchasing Krok while not considering him a proper TF, within your own collection. So long as you'd accept that the majority of fans _would_ count him in theirs.

[The_Damned]

rectum is hardly a profanity anyway and not offensive in the least, i dont think any parent's, being that i am one would rather see that my child was only looking at some geeky forums with people using a counting system named after body parts, then looking at porn sites or any other kind appalling kind of site that can be easily found at the click of a button.

I can just imagine it some 10 year old reading this forum and he(she) gets the part about r.e.c.t.u.m and the parents walk in and see it on the screen and go OMG look at the filth he is reading and rip telephone cable out of the wall and ban him form the internet in disgust as they cant believe the filth he is looking at.

[dirge]

The_Damned - I would tend to agree with you that most parents wouldn't have an issue. Rectum _is_ an anatonomical term. But there are some frighteningly conservative views out there.

I don't think it's quite enough for any moderator action, mind you. The odds of someone taking serious offence are very low, and the concepts Jay is discussing are not obscene.

[TheDirtyDigger]

what does fallacious mean?

False, deceptive or misleading.

[roller]

thanks dad

[Bartrim]

thanks dad

Creepy.

Anyway folks does it really matter what counting method we use? In all seriousness it's not like I'm going to do to The_Damned's house look at his collection and say "You said you had 510 transformers but according to UCM you only have 505 you lying bastard! I never want to see you again!"

From what I've seen in the past, surveys like the UCM survey only create friction amongst friendship as some more competitive collector might get upset that someone claims they have more transformers then them due to mis interpretation of a definition. (Typing that made me feel smart)

I consider us all friends in this little close knit community. It would be a shame if the thing that united us is the thing that divides us.

In conclusion why don't we all just use the honour system. If The_Damned tells me he has 510 (or whatever the actual ammount is) Transformers I'm not going to sit there and examine ever figure and to prove him wrong. I'm going to believe him because he is my friend and I trust him.

[TheDirtyDigger]

Creepy.
In conclusion why don't we all just use the honour system. If The_Damned tells me he has 510 (or whatever the actual ammount is) Transformers I'm not going to sit there and examine ever figure and to prove him wrong. I'm going to believe him because he is my friend and I trust him.

Well spoken Bart Rim.

This will help me push my count just over the_doctor's 4752 Tfs as well!

[kup]

In conclusion why don't we all just use the honour system. If The_Damned tells me he has 510 (or whatever the actual ammount is) Transformers I'm not going to sit there and examine ever figure and to prove him wrong. I'm going to believe him because he is my friend and I trust him.

I am in agreement although at the end of the day, anyone comparing/submiting collection counts is already using an honor system of sorts as there is no one to verify if he did indeed use the UCM or if he is just submitting an estimate or random number.

To be honest, I doubt more than a few people would use the UCM to count their collection as its too cumbersome to use. Typically a fan would just sit down and start a head count on what he considers to be part of his collection and then submit the number.

However as mentioned several times on this thread, the UCM was created to serve not to dictate. So if I were really serious about comparing collection sizes in a uniform and accurate manner with a fellow fan, the UCM is available to me as a counting guideline which is what its meant to be.

[Saintly]

Anyway folks does it really matter what counting method we use? In all seriousness it's not like I'm going to do to The_Damned's house look at his collection and say "You said you had 510 transformers but according to UCM you only have 505 you lying bastard! I never want to see you again!"

From what I've seen in the past, surveys like the UCM survey only create friction amongst friendship as some more competitive collector might get upset that someone claims they have more transformers then them due to mis interpretation of a definition. (Typing that made me feel smart)

I consider us all friends in this little close knit community. It would be a shame if the thing that united us is the thing that divides us.

In conclusion why don't we all just use the honour system. If The_Damned tells me he has 510 (or whatever the actual ammount is) Transformers I'm not going to sit there and examine ever figure and to prove him wrong. I'm going to believe him because he is my friend and I trust him.

well said!