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    Like Paulbot said, Action Masters aren't like SCF/HOCs or Robot Replicas in terms of being small sub-lines - they were part of the major line, dominating the Transformers line in Hasbro markets, especially in North America. They also played a significant role in G1 canon. Removing SCF/HOCs or Robot Replicas does not alter TF lore, but removing Action Masters _would_ change TF lore. Action Master Snarl even makes an appearance in Transformers Classics.

    Action Master Grimlock


    Action Master Optimus Prime


    Nucleon Quest Convoy


    Krok, Bludgeon's lieutenant

    Action Master Prowl goes head to head with Bludgeon during the shaky days of the Autobot-Decepticon Alliance


    Quote Originally Posted by jaydisc
    Part of my quest for another counting method was due to the UCM's perceived INFLEXIBILITY or inability to evolve.
    The UCM must remain static in order for poll results between years to be comparable, which is the entire purpose of the system's existence. If the rules changed on an annual basis then it would make it impossible to compare annual trends to observe any changes. I've already explained this to you several times. You're more than welcome to create an alternative counting method (although I agree with Bartrim that you might want to consider renaming them to more tasteful acronyms - remember that there are children who read this board too and might want to consider using your alternative method)

    Quote Originally Posted by jaydisc
    1. Is it a Transformer? (tm)/(r)/(c)
    2. Does it transform?
    Okay, here's a few for ya...

    1/ As you've said so yourself, your system doesn't adequately address Action Masters and Nebulans, Master Robots, Brainmaster/Motorvator partners and some Action Master partners remain ambiguous under this definition.

    2/ How do gestalts count? In other words, does Devastator count as a Transformer? So if you have all the Constructicons and all the bits to form Devastator, do they count as six Constructicons or seven (including Devastator as the 7th)? Devastator is a licensed Transformer character (thus satisfying your 1st rule) and he transforms into the 6 Constructicons (thus satisfying your 2nd rule).

    3/ How do you count combiners? The same as multi-in-1s? (I suspect that this would be the case - Reflector is essentially a combiner).

    4/ Do you count Happy Meal Transformers, most of which are licensed Transformers characters who can transform. And the Happy Meal Armada Transformers can interact with Mini-Cons and merge into gestalts!


    5/ Do you count candy and gum toys or model kits that can transform?
    Kabaya Super Link Galvatron loves candy!

    6/ Do you count build-Transformers like Built-To-Rule? They're licensed and transform but are essentially Transformers Lego (just from a different brand).
    Built To Rule Inferno

    7/ Similar question to Action Masters - what about other licensed "Transformers" characters who don't transform because they were never meant to transform? e.g.: Alpha Quintesson, Transmutate (who is a Cybertronian), Kicker, Gamede etc

    8/ Do you count Play Skool Transformers? The Go-Go-Go-Bots (aka Transformers Big Adventures) even had their own cartoon and comic series and game!


    Quote Originally Posted by roller
    What if people attack my existence? will you all rise to protect me?
    Hell no!

    Last edited by GoktimusPrime; 12th March 2008 at 05:22 PM.

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