Avengers Endgame SPOILER discussion thread

[M-bot]

Another thought: 2 of the 3 MCU TV shows they have announced for the Disney Plus channel feature characters who are dead. Prequels as well? Probably. Although I can see the possibility of both Loki and Vision returning in some fashion.

[Paulbot]

I saw it on Wednesday and again on Thursday. Was disappointed on the first viewing but liked it more on the second.

The biggest frustration for me was the time travel logic... I paid closer attention to what Bruce was saying on the second viewing but I'm still not sold on the logic. The death of Nebula from the past in the future, Loki taking the Cosmic Cube and escaping, and the deaths of Thanos and his crew in the future (Oh no I've gone cross-eyed) I can't see how all that doesn't create alternate realities.

I'd have rather a reset that snapped them back to the fields of Wakanda and Thanos clicking his fingers to find the stones had gone and the Avengers defeating him there. .

The time jump is frustrating and breaks anything to come in the cinematic universe. As M-Bot says above approximately half of Peter's classmates are now five years older than the rest. The world has spent 5 years with half the population missing and apart from nobody collecting garbage in San Francisco, lots of boats docked at the Statue of Liberty and people grieving, what impact did it have? The world should have in theory fallen apart a great deal more than this*, and that's fine when you reset the world at the end with space magic but not when you want to keep telling stories in that world. Even with everyone back it should be absolute chaos.

[*I mean who had the time to collect Lang's stuff and put in storage and then pay someone to watch it? You'd think there'd be more important gaps to fill in the country's workforce... I know, I know don't think about it so much]

But on the positive side I liked that time travel meant we got the return of some characters. I was particularly surprised and pleased to see the Ancient One. It's one of the things I love about Marvel Comics shared universe - of course she'd be there defending the Sanctum Sanctorum during an alien invasion.

I do not believe there was any new footage of Natalie Portman, that was surely reused/deleted scene footage from Thor 2 right? It seems the return of the boy from Iron Man 3 at Tony's funeral was the most confusing cameo from what I'm seeing online.

When the returned heroes arrived and Doctor Strange asked "is that everyone?" it seemed the perfect setup for another surprise appearance. For that brief moment I really thought a portal was going to open from New York and the Defenders would walk though to join the fight!

[M-bot]

Paulbot, what you’re saying about time travel makes a lot of sense (well, more the movie perhaps!). It’s wibbly wobbly timey whimey so who knows? There were big time travel plot holes in Back to the Future too. I’ll take it.

The chaos factor is an interesting one. Earth would not be the same, even with everyone returning.

Maybe the Defenders were there all along? I mean, it was a massive battle, they could easily have been off camera. That’s what I am going to choose to believe.