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    It?s been less than 24hrs since the announcement. Give the human flesh search engine time to do its work.

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    Another record number of cases in Victoria of 725, and I think a new record number of deaths too at 15... which is higher percentage than expected, because there are so many serious cases in nursing homes, who are more likely to die from the virus (most deaths in the last few days were all from nursing homes).
    After two weeks since those three ladies snuck into Brisbane and spent several days around the city, could we have actually dodged a bullet, with only a couple of new cases in the last few days? The one known case that came from them occurred a couple days after they returned, and if it had been been rapidly spread among others from the ladies or those that have caught it from them, the thousands of tests that were taken last week would have turned up cases that were asymptomatic that would have otherwise gone unnoticed.
    And now we have some others who had spent a bit of time in Melbourne and drove back to QLD, and was only found out a few days after they returned when one of them got sick and confessed to where they had been (when being tested, worried that he had covid).

    I think everyone who selfishly risks infecting others with a deadly disease like this, should be identified, so that the people around them makes them aware of what they did is serious and has consequences... something they won't know or feel if they are able to hide their identity and continue behaving selfishly because they know they can get away with it. People are known to continue to commit crimes and increase the intensity if the reward is there without any penalty.
    It is just unfortunate that the first people got so much coverage, and some negative feedback to the media, that others won't be featured as heavily... and those two girls were significant social media users, caught up in the selfie culture, that it was a lot easier to find images of them for visual media in a hurry. These other people sneaking in don't appear to have a social media identity, so their news reports are less significant if there is nothing visual to go with them.

    I also don't like seeing those media programs chasing up ratings by featuring stories or people that try to highlight the frustrations or unfairness of various lockdown measures, as it stirs up the more pro-active people to resist or refuse adhering to measures that are there to save lives, including their own or someone they know who could be a high-risk demographic.
    Yes, it is difficult, and frustrating, and there is a long way to go before we will be free of this virus restricting what we can do, or what businesses can operate, but stirring up dissent among people and business leaders, just for ratings, is not responsible behaviour by the media who are doing it... because they will keep trying to outdo each other to get attention, and it could get a lot worse if the media keeps provoking a response for them to cover later, and not take any responsibility for it.

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    30 something years old man is the youngest death in Aus to date. Just doesnt affect old people. Hoping Palmer doesnt win his high court challenge.

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    The elderly weren't the only demographic that was at risk - people with pre-existing conditions, particularly respiratory illnesses, are also at risk (some teens and children have died in other countries, at such a significantly reduced rate that we shouldn't see it happen here with our extremely low death/case numbers)... but the elderly are indeed the higher risk.

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    Why am I not surprised about this:

    https://twitter.com/aksmth/status/12...247634432?s=21
    Dovie'andi se tovya sagain

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    And COVID-19 is back in the community in New Zealand; no known cause.

    Lockdown in Auckland, high alert for the rest of the country.

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    It's a worry that it has re-appeared in NZ after 101 days without any community cases, as they have been a beacon of hope and inspiration for countries like ours that also have the potential to eliminate community cases as well... but flights are still coming into NZ with returning citizens that have the virus, so maybe there was a breach of traveller quarantine over there as well.
    (the news tonight had said that two of the people worked at a cold-storage warehouse that imports organic goods, which is being tested... hopefully that isn't the source, as it will have a massive impact on frozen imports in every country, which could see countries like ours blocking all frozen and possibly refrigerated imports, which includes a lot of processed foods, and ingredients to a lot of foods, that are in our grocery stores)

    I think it is good to see drastic action being taken straight away when there are only single digit cases that have an unknown source, because... why wait until there are 300 new cases per day before the only action that stops the spread is undertaken (like they did in Victoria), because once numbers get that high, deaths are guaranteed. The same is the case in NSW, slowly increasing, and won't go away while everything is open. It just hasn't been as rapid as Victoria because they were more prepared with the expected outbreak, as the Melbourne outbreak was unexpected and spread a fair bit before it's extent was realised. But the best outcome any country has done without a lockdown is just a slower increase, which will still accelerate when daily numbers reach a certain amount that is more than resources can handle and more unknown sources grow.
    A drastic action might draw in criticism, which the media will highlight and make worse, but waiting until X-amount of daily cases, will see deaths that will also draw in criticism from community sources and media.
    You're damned if you do and damned if you don't... but at least one option will see little or no deaths, and a quicker recovery of the economy.

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    New Zealand has done an amazing job with quarantine, but I'd wager that the source of the virus is either:
    1. A slip-up in the quarantine of international arrivals - and by that I mean the staff working there like what happened in Melbourne.
    2. It has come through via those given exceptions in order to keep the country running. This means people working in the transport industry (eg. aircrew, ship crew), medical staff, etc.

    Either way, the NZ Govt. has taken immediate action which is the best approach. Victoria's actions always felt more reactionary than precautionary.

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    14 more cases today in NZ from the new outbreak.
    I feel a bit more upset over this than the growing problem in Australia, as NZ was doing such a great job being the only country (that I'm aware of) that had managed to eliminate the virus, for over 3 months. As opposed to Australia, which was close to doing the same but took the issue of quarantine too lightly, and now has a long road ahead dealing with the current outbreak in a couple of states.

    As I've said recently, I think we should probably be quarantining returning citizens off-shore (at any one of their immigration processing islands), and only transport them onto the mainland after their 14 days and with negative test results. At the moment, Australia has had to cut back on the number of returned citizens (who already have limited flight options and departure windows), because too many resources are now tied up with containing the community outbreak, and processing off-shore will help increase the number of people being able to come home, while preventing future community outbreaks.

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    It's good to see the case numbers in Victoria coming down in the last week, thanks to all the hard work most of the residents are doing to stop the spread of the virus.
    The numbers have been 200-300 in the last few days, down from the peak days of 700+.
    It's just the death rates that are still going to take a few more days to reach their peak, as it takes a week or two for the virus to fully develop and shut down the respiratory systems. Today was still seeing increases in hospital admissions and people in ICU or ventilators, so until those numbers start coming down, I fear that we will be seeing more bad news.
    The good that can come of it though, is the lag in rising deaths that the media will be focussing on (for ratings) will help encourage people to stay committed to the lockdown restrictions while the case numbers are dropping - when all the numbers are dropping it could lead to people being complacent or demanding an end to the restrictions due to it being less likely to catch the virus, but the higher death numbers will still make it look like the situation is serious and a higher chance of catching it.

    It is also good to see the daily numbers in NSW are still falling instead of increasing. I was sure that they would have been following the infection numbers of Victoria, but I guess they had a small enough number of cases for their resources to be able to track down most of the potentially infected people to isolate enough people to limit the community spread.
    The numbers of people who they couldn't work out the source of their infection is getting smaller (just one person yesterday), so the contact tracing in conjunction with social distancing, masks and washing of hands and social surfaces, is actually working when the daily case numbers are small enough (under 20 in NSW at the peak of their second wave).
    It was a shame that Victoria wasn't able to do the same when it's second wave had its daily case numbers sitting in the teens for a whole week at the beginning, before ballooning out to daily numbers of 70-80 in the second week, and triple digits from then on.

    At least we aren't as bad as America, with over a thousand (reported) dead most days for the last 4 weeks... for their population compared to ours, it would be like us having 90-100 people dying each day here in Australia. Hopefully the number from yesterday (25) is the worst for us here.

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