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    Transformers panels up shortly https://youtu.be/YX4l2eIes4o

    Schedule (aest)
    1:10 AM – Transformers Entertainment Panel
    1:40 AM – Transformers: War for Cybertron Kingdom Toy Reveal
    2:30 AM – The Voices that Inspired Generations of Transformers Fans

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    So basically everything rumoured/leaked for Kingdom was correct.

    ADMIN EDIT - images and details added for the start of a news topic. (hijacking this post... sorry)

    Entertainment Panel info and screenshots.

    Entertainment Media Panel – Kelly Rose/Marketing, F.J. Desanto and Jack Liang

    • Lot of people are contributing to the WFC Show. Netflix, Rooster Teeth, Polygon etc..
    • Compared the production process to running a relay race.
    • Discussing Earthrise Series
    • Location – transitioning from Cybertron to a journey, in space for Earthrise.
    • Will explore Optimus’ consequences and how they have to go find the Allspark now.
    • Will revisit Cybertron and see what has happened to the planet without the Allspark.
    • Autobots on Cybertron lead by Elita 1 now.
    • Megatron trying to save the planet and deal with the Autobots.
    • Exploring many locations along the journey. Want to show scale and size of space.
    • Power on Cybertron will be slowly fading.
    • Optimus’ decision to throw the Allspark into the space bridge will not only affect Cybertron, but other parts of the Galaxy as well.
    • Discussing Mercenary Faction now.
    • Wanted to explore the underworld, gangsters, smugglers, bounty hunters of Cybertron.
    • Mercenaries will continue in Earthrise.
    • Showing Teaser art of Earthrise poster. Mercenary symbol is on the poster.
    • Horizontal poster for Earthrise shown.
    • Will continue more of Bumblebee’s story and see Optimus continue to grow as a leader.
    • The Holographic map in the show will be the same map that is included in toys.
    • Talking about animating the transformations now.
    • Started by looking at the toys and working with Hasbro. Have an in-house specialist for transformations.
    • FJ is discussing walking into Polygon and experiencing what they had been working on upon their first and how he was overwhelmed by how cool he thought it was.
    • Debuting trailer for Earthrise.
    • Doubledealer, Bugbite, Coneheads and others shown as Mercenaries.



    Kingdom toyline Panel reveals (screenshots) and info.

    Pulsecon is underway and John Warden and Lenny are showing off a plethora of new figures from the upcoming Kingdom line!

    • Kingdom Reveals – Rachel/Marketing. John Warden and Lenny Design
    • Earthrise poster revealed Celebrating 25th Anniversary of Beast Wars
    • Earthrise Poster shows a Titan sized ARK
    • Story is a time paradox
    • Kingdom Deluxe Cheetor shown.
    • Kingdom Core Rattrap.
    • New Core class being discussed. 3.75 inch class.
    • Voyager Class Cyclonus. No backpack. Kibble free. Very tall.
    • Leader Class Beast Wars Megatron.
    • Core Class Optimus Prime Revealed. Looks a lot like old thrilling 30 Legends
    • Want to have characters represented for younger fans
    • Core Class Vertebreak, Dracorex bone-bot
    • Deluxe Black Arachnia
    • Deluxe Warpath
    • Deluxe Fossilizer Paleotrex – Inspired by going to a museum and seeing the fossiles.
    • Head is based off of Optimus Primal’s weapon.
    • Will be able to make “sinister” looking stuff with the Fossilizer weapons.
    • Voyager Beast Wars Optimus Primal shown. Looks strong!
    • Has both his cyber blade swords. Can be stored on back.
    • Has poseable shoulder cannons.
    • Has hidden cannon in his forearm.
    • Beast mode can be posed to pound his chest.
    • Debuting packaging for Kingdom – Tan color overtone, with wraparound artwork. Added Beast/Vehicle mode on front of packaging
    • Packaging will have golden card reveals. Card allows characters to rewrite their destiny. Shiny, holographic foil that you can “peel and reveal”
    • 26 total cards to collect.
    • Will be able to preorder at 5pm EST.
    • Not everything will be up, be patient as they get all toys up.
    The Kingdom toys revealed...

    Leader Optimus Prime
    Leader Beast Megatron
    Voyager Optimus Primal
    Voyager Cyclonus
    Deluxe Black Arachnia
    Deluxe Cheetor
    Deluxe Warpath
    Deluxe Paleotrex
    Core Rattrap
    Core Optimus
    Core Vertebreak



























    Most of what was revealed at Pulse-Con is now listed for pre-order in America, with the Earthrise price points noted as...

    • Core: $9.99
    • Deluxe: $22.99
    • Voyager: $29.99
    • Leaders: $49.99
    That shows that the Core class is at the Micromaster price-point, while the Deluxe price-point is up another $3 (the RRP). The size is getting smaller while the price is going up.

    The official product listings and official images...

    WAR FOR CYBERTRON: KINGDOM WAVE 1
    Transformers: Generations War for Cybertron: Kingdom Core Class WFC-K1 Optimus Prime
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $9.99 / Available: January 1, 2021)
    The WFC-K1 Core Class OPTIMUS PRIME collectible figure stands at 3.5 inches tall and converts to G1-inspired earth truck mode in 11 steps. This iconic character also comes with a classic Ion Blaster weapon accessory. The mini-figure allows fans to collect a mini version of the iconic character to pose out with other Optimus Prime toys at larger scales (each sold separately, subject to availability)!

    Beastify the battlefield and collect other KINGDOM figures (each sold separately, subject to availability)! Worlds collide when the MAXIMALS and PREDACONS join the fight, coming together with the AUTOBOTS and DECEPTICONS in an epic battle that will alter their destiny forever. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available at most major toy retailers and for pre-order on HasbroPulse.com and Walmart.com beginning September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    Transformers: Generations War for Cybertron: Kingdom Core Class WFC-K2 Rattrap
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $9.99 / Available: January 1, 2021)
    The WFC-K2 Core Class RATTRAP collectible figure stands at 3.5 inches tall and converts to Beast Wars-inspired rat mode with molded fur texture in 18 steps. RATTRAP comes with classic Fusion blaster accessory inspired by the one featured in the Beast Wars cartoon. Wise cracks not included, but you can imagine! The mini-figure allows fans to collect a mini version of the iconic character to pose out with other RATTRAP toys at larger scales (each sold separately, subject to availability)!
    Beastify the battlefield and collect other KINGDOM figures (each sold separately, subject to availability)! Worlds collide when the MAXIMALS and PREDACONS join the fight, coming together with the AUTOBOTS and DECEPTICONS in an epic battle that will alter their destiny forever. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available at most major toy retailers and for pre-order on HasbroPulse.com and Walmart.com beginning September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    Transformers: Generations War for Cybertron: Kingdom Core Class WFC-K3 Vertebreak
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $9.99 / Available: January 1, 2021)
    The WFC-K3 Core Class VERTEBREAK dinosaur collectible figure stands at 3.5 inches tall and converts between raptor fossil and robot mode in 14 steps. This PREDACON raptor fossil character also comes with a cool bone weapon accessory when the tail is pulled off in raptor mode.

    Beastify the battlefield and collect other KINGDOM figures (each sold separately, subject to availability)! Worlds collide when the MAXIMALS and PREDACONS join the fight, coming together with the AUTOBOTS and DECEPTICONS in an epic battle that will alter their destiny forever. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available at most major toy retailers and for pre-order on HasbroPulse.com and Walmart.com beginning September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    Transformers: Generations War for Cybertron: Kingdom Deluxe WFC-K4 Cheetor
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $19.99 / Available: January 1, 2021)
    The WFC-K4 Deluxe CHEETOR collectible figure stands at 5.5 inches tall, converts to Beast Wars-inspired cheetah mode in 20 steps with intricate cheetah-inspired molded fur texture, and features lower jaw articulation in cheetah mode for classic look of CHEETOR enthusiasm. CHEETOR’s tail also detaches from cheetah mode during conversion and becomes a tail whip accessory that can be held by the figure in robot mode. CHEETOR includes a Golden Disk card that reveals a possible destiny of a key character. Collect other KINGDOM figures to reveal all 3 alternate destiny variants for each character (each sold separately, subject to availability)!
    Beastify the battlefield and collect other KINGDOM figures (each sold separately, subject to availability)! Worlds collide when the MAXIMALS and PREDACONS join the fight, coming together with the AUTOBOTS and DECEPTICONS in an epic battle that will alter their destiny forever. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available at most major toy retailers and for pre-order on HasbroPulse.com and Walmart.com beginning September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    Transformers: Generations War for Cybertron: Kingdom Deluxe WFC-K5 Blackarachnia
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $19.99 / Available: January 1, 2021)
    The WFC-K5 Deluxe BLACKARACHNIA collectible figure stands at 5.5 inches tall, converts to Beast Wars-inspired spider mode in 20 steps with intricate spider-inspired molded texture, and comes with 1 accessory, her classic crossbow weapon inspired by the Beast Wars cartoon. But watch your back! The rebellious arachnid has been known to aim it at enemies and allies alike. BLACKARACHNIA includes a Golden Disk card that reveals a possible destiny of a key character. Collect other KINGDOM figures to reveal all 3 alternate destiny variants for each character (each sold separately, subject to availability)!
    Beastify the battlefield and collect other KINGDOM figures (each sold separately, subject to availability)! Worlds collide when the MAXIMALS and PREDACONS join the fight, coming together with the AUTOBOTS and DECEPTICONS in an epic battle that will alter their destiny forever. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available at most major toy retailers and for pre-order on HasbroPulse.com and Walmart.com beginning September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    Transformers: Generations War for Cybertron: Kingdom Deluxe WFC-K6 Warpath
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $19.99 / Available: January 1, 2021)
    The WFC-K6 Deluxe WARPATH G1-inspired figure (KABLOOM!) stands at 5.5 inches tall, converts into Cybertronian fighter craft tank mode (KCH-KCH-KCCCHHH-KCHOOM!) in 26 steps, and features rotating tank turret and shoulder shield accessories (BAM!). With all those onomatopoeia exclamations, the AUTOBOT WARPATH must be here! WARPATH includes a Golden Disk card that reveals a possible destiny of a key character. Collect other KINGDOM figures to reveal all 3 alternate destiny variants for each character (each sold separately, subject to availability)!
    Unleash the primal power of the beasts with the ancient and highly advanced F.O.S.S.I.L. (Fossilized Osteo-Skeletal Shield Integration Loadout) technology. Sentient FOSSILIZER bots, infused with primordial energy, break apart and weaponize their allies. Use Deluxe FOSSILIZZER figures to beastify this WARPATH figure with epic bone armor (each sold separately, subject to availability)! Worlds collide when the MAXIMALS and PREDACONS join the fight, coming together with the AUTOBOTS and DECEPTICONS in an epic battle that will alter their destiny forever. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available at most major toy retailers and for pre-order on HasbroPulse.com and Walmart.com beginning September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    Transformers: Generations War for Cybertron: Kingdom Deluxe WFC-K7 Paleotrex Fossilizer
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $19.99 / Available: January 1, 2021)
    The WFC-K7 Deluxe PALEOTREX FOSSILIZER figure stands at 5.5 inches tall, converts into T. Rex fossil mode in 32 steps, and features lower jaw articulation optimal for roaring poses. PALEOTREX FOSSILIZER includes a Golden Disk card that reveals a possible destiny of a key character. Collect other KINGDOM figures to reveal all 3 alternate destiny variants for each character (each sold separately, subject to availability)!
    With the ancient and highly advanced F.O.S.S.I.L. (Fossilized Osteo-Skeletal Shield Integration Loadout) technology, FOSSILIZER bots, infused with primordial energy, break apart to weaponize their allies. The bone pieces of this PALEOTREX figure break apart and attach to other figures. Use this Deluxe PREDACON FOSSILIZER figure to beastify other figures with epic bone weapons and armor (sold separately, subject to availability)! Worlds collide when the MAXIMALS and PREDACONS join the fight, coming together with the AUTOBOTS and DECEPTICONS in an epic battle that will alter their destiny forever. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available at most major toy retailers and for pre-order on HasbroPulse.com and Walmart.com beginning September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    Transformers: Generations War for Cybertron: Kingdom Voyager WFC-K8 Optimus Primal
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $29.99 / Available: January 1, 2021)
    The WFC-K8 Voyager OPTIMUS PRIMAL figure stands at 7 inches tall, converts to Beast Wars-inspired gorilla mode with intricate gorilla-inspired molded fur texture in 22 steps, and features hip articulation that allows fans to pose him upright or in a crouch. OPTIMUS PRIMAL comes with the character’s classic 2 Cyber Blade accessories that attach to figure’s back, and features hidden forearm cannons and Mega Blasters. Well, that’s just prime! OPTIMUS PRIMAL includes a Golden Disk card that reveals a possible destiny of a key character. Collect other KINGDOM figures to reveal all 3 alternate destiny variants for each character (each sold separately, subject to availability)!
    Worlds collide when the MAXIMALS and PREDACONS join the fight, coming together with the AUTOBOTS and DECEPTICONS in an epic battle that will alter their destiny forever. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available at most major toy retailers and for pre-order on HasbroPulse.com and Walmart.com beginning September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    Transformers: Generations War for Cybertron: Kingdom Voyager WFC-K9 Cyclonus
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $29.99 / Available: January 1, 2021)
    The WFC-K9 Voyager CYCLONUS G1-inspired figure stands at 7 inches tall, converts into Cybertronian fighter craft mode in 34 steps, and comes with the classic Oxidating Laser accessory. CYCLONUS, a herald of UNICRON, first appears in the 1986 movie when BOMBSHELL/SKYWARP were reformatted into the second-in-command of GALVATRON. CYCLONUS includes a Golden Disk card that reveals a possible destiny of a key character. Collect other KINGDOM figures to reveal all 3 alternate destiny variants for each character (each sold separately, subject to availability)!
    Worlds collide when the MAXIMALS and PREDACONS join the fight, coming together with the AUTOBOTS and DECEPTICONS in an epic battle that will alter their destiny forever. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available at most major toy retailers and for pre-order on HasbroPulse.com and Walmart.com beginning September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    Transformers: Generations War for Cybertron: Kingdom Leader WFC-K10 Megatron (Beast)
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $49.99 / Available: January 1, 2021)
    The WFC-K10 Leader MEGATRON (BEAST) collectible figure stands at 7.5 inches tall and converts into Beast Wars-inspired T. rex beast mode in 27 steps, featuring intricate dinosaur-inspired molded scales and an articulated jaw with molded teeth. MEGATRON’s dino head and tail also become his classic claw hands, and fans can add laser fire effects by placing fire blasts accessories inside his dino head (sold separately with other figures, subject to availability). MEGATRON (BEAST) includes a Golden Disk card that reveals a possible destiny of a key character. Collect other KINGDOM figures to reveal all 3 alternate destiny variants for each character (each sold separately, subject to availability)!
    Worlds collide when the MAXIMALS and PREDACONS join the fight, coming together with the AUTOBOTS and DECEPTICONS in an epic battle that will alter their destiny forever. Adult fans nostalgic for the original TRANSFORMERS animation and kids discovering classic characters for the first time can share and experience exciting play patterns for all generations. Available at most major toy retailers and for pre-order on HasbroPulse.com and Walmart.com beginning September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    PULSE EXCLUSIVES
    Transformers: Prime Deluxe War Breakdown and Vehicon 2-Pack
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $39.99 / Available: October 10, 2020)
    This 2-pack includes both WAR BREAKDOWN and VEHICON figures inspired by the TRANSFORMERS: PRIME animated series, along with the buildable ZAMU and IGU ARMS MICRON weapon accessories featured in the original WAR BREAKDOWN and VEHICON 2012 packs. VEHICON converts from robot to jet mode, Rhinoceros-like ZAMU converts into a hammer weapon accessory for War Breakdown, and Iguana-like IGU converts into a blaster weapon accessory for VEHICON.
    Fans can celebrate the 10th anniversary of the first season of TRANSFORMERS: PRIME with these special reissue figures featuring original deco and labels. Originally a limited release figure in Japan in 2012, The TRANSFORMERS: PRIME WAR BREAKDOWN is now available in the US & Canada for the first time. Available exclusively in the US & Canada on HasbroPulse.com, with pre-orders beginning September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    Transformers: Prime Voyager Hades Megatron
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $34.99 / Available: October 10, 2020)
    The HADES MEGATRON figure inspired by the TRANSFORMERS: PRIME animated series, converts from robot to jet mode, and includes 2 buildable DECEPTICON HADES and GORA II ARMS MICRON weapon accessories featured in the original pack sold in Japan. Bat-like DECEPTICON HADES converts into a winged backpack to attach on MEGATRON or as a scythe weapon accessory, while the Gorilla-like GORA II converts into signature MEGATRON weapon, a fusion cannon accessory.
    Fans can celebrate the 10th anniversary of the first season of TRANSFORMERS: PRIME with this special reissue figure featuring original deco and labels. Originally a limited release figure in Japan in 2012, The TRANSFORMERS: PRIME HADES MEGATRON is now available in the US & Canada for the first time. Available exclusively in the US & Canada on HasbroPulse.com, with pre-orders beginning September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    WALMART EXCLUSIVES
    Transformers R.E.D. – Transformers Prime Arcee
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $19.99 / Available: January 1, 2021)
    The TRANSFORMERS R.E.D. [Robot Enhanced Design] PRIME ARCEE figure stands at 6 inches and is non-converting, giving fans an enhanced robot mode with a sleek, “kibble-free” form. The reliable AUTOBOT soldier, ARCEE, from The TRANSFORMERS: PRIME animated series features 26 points of articulation, 60 deco ops, and comes with 11 accessories including 2 ion blasters, 2 sets of alt hands, 2 forearm blades accessories with slash effects, and a dark Energon crystal accessory. The chest piece can also be removed to reveal figure detail beneath, inspired by what would be the inner workings of a TRANSFORMERS robot.
    Fans can enhance their TRANSFORMERS collection with TRANSFORMERS R.E.D. [Robot Enhanced Design] figures. All figures in the collection are 6-inches in scale and inspired by iconic characters from the TRANSFORMERS universe, including G1, TRANSFORMERS: PRIME, BEAST WARS: TRANSFORMERS, and beyond. R.E.D. figures do not convert, but are highly poseable and were designed to bring collectors the most screen-accurate versions of their favorite characters to display on their shelves. Look for other R.E.D. figures to enhance your collection (each sold separately, subject to availability). TRANSFORMERS R.E.D. PRIME ARCEE is available exclusively at Walmart. Pre-orders begin September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    Transformers R.E.D. – Transformers Beast Wars Cheetor
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $19.99 / Available: January 1, 2021)
    The TRANSFORMERS R.E.D. [Robot Enhanced Design] BEAST WARS CHEETOR figure stands at 6 inches and is non-converting, giving fans an enhanced robot mode with a sleek, “kibble-free” form. The brave MAXIMAL scout, CHEETOR, from The BEAST WARS: TRANSFORMERS animated series features 26 points of articulation, 71 deco ops, and comes with 8 accessories including 2 sets of alt hands, a tail blaster, an Energon crystal, and 2 blast effect accessories. The chest piece can also be removed to reveal figure detail beneath, inspired by what would be the inner workings of a TRANSFORMERS robot.
    Fans can enhance their TRANSFORMERS collection with TRANSFORMERS R.E.D. [Robot Enhanced Design] figures. All figures in the collection are 6-inches in scale and inspired by iconic characters from the TRANSFORMERS universe, including G1, TRANSFORMERS: PRIME, BEAST WARS: TRANSFORMERS, and beyond. R.E.D. figures do not convert, but are highly poseable and were designed to bring collectors the most screen-accurate versions of their favorite characters to display on their shelves. Look for other R.E.D. figures to enhance your collection (each sold separately, subject to availability). TRANSFORMERS R.E.D. BEAST WARS CHEETOR is available exclusively at Walmart. Pre-orders begin September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.


    AMAZON EXCLUSIVE
    Transformers: Generations War for Cybertron Galactic Odyssey Autobot Clones 2-Pack
    (Ages 8 and Up / Approx. Retail Price: $39.99 / Available: December 1, 2020)
    The GALACTIC ODYSSEY AUTOBOT CLONES 2-Pack collection includes 3.5-inch tall AUTOBOT FASTLANE and CLOUDRAKER figures. FASTLANE converts into racecar mode and CLOUDRAKER converts into jet mode, but also feature twin robot modes. The AUTOBOT CLONES Pack also includes 1 of 5 planet cards with key details about the featured planets. Fans can collect other GALACTIC ODYSSEY figures to explore more planets in the TRANSFORMERS universe (each sold separately, subject to availability)!
    As the AUTOBOTS and DECEPTICONS speed through space during the events of EARTHRISE, special side missions take some of their members off course. Their duties lead them to unfamiliar planets where they encounter epic adventures and unknown dangers. Now fans can come along for the journey and explore the TRANSFORMERS universe through the GALACTIC ODYSSEY COLLECTION. This pack is 3 of 5 in the GALACTIC ODYSSEY COLLECTION and fans can complete their clones collection and pit AUTOBOTS and DECEPTICONS against each other with WFC-E30 DECEPTICON CLONES Pack featuring WINGSPAN and POUNCE (sold separately, subject to availability). TRANSFORMERS GALACTIC ODYSSEY AUTOBOT CLONES 2-Pack is available exclusively on Amazon.com. Pre-orders begin September 26, 2020 at 5PM EST.
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    They do look nice, especially that artwork.
    I'm over the moon that we got another version of G1 Prime in the Kingdom line. The franchise is in safe hands.

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    Nothing on Studio Series '86?

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    Nothing official yet.

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    Cyclonus looks better and better. The knees were mistransformed in some of the earlier official photos
    I'm really just here for the free food and open bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMHFConvoy View Post
    Nothing on Studio Series '86?
    Nothing mentioned, but did anyone notice that both Hot Rod and Kup were absent from that Kingdom artwork? We can clearly see Arcee, UM, Galvatron and Cyclonus though. So SS86 is looking more and more likely.

    Otherwise, I'm loving everything I'm seeing of Kingdom so far. Preordered the entire first wave off BBTS and am even considering a second set to keep sealed because the box art looks so awesome. Bravo Hasbro!
    Looking to buy lucky draw Armada Prime and Diaclone Marlboor Wheeljack.

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    The optimus prime looks much worse than earthrise version, like a minibot. Warpath isnt very good either. Cyclonus looks like a good update however. Not reall interested in the Beast Wars stuff.

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