View Poll Results: Which Cityformer was the best?

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  • Omega Supreme

    5 19.23%
  • Metroplex

    8 30.77%
  • Trypticon

    2 7.69%
  • Scorponok

    3 11.54%
  • Overlord

    2 7.69%
  • Fortress Maximus

    6 23.08%
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    Default The Soapbox XI: Battle of the Cityformers

    Apologies in the delay between instalments of the Soapboxes, this one was done a fair while ago but between being prepared to upload images and whatnot I decided to give in eventually and just post it without the pictures. Then I started and said what the heck, so that brings us to today. Anyways, let's hope all enjoy my first poll-Soapbox.

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    The Soapbox XI: Cityformers

    Any fan who returns to the TF fold again almost always immediately turns their mind to the massive robots that dominated their childhood TV screens. Their sheer scale and size made them immensely memorable. Whether it was Trypticon or Metroplex or Omega Supreme, you’d be hard pressed to find a kid who didn’t want a Cityformer. Cityformers are a rare breed and there are very few real ones. There are those that incorporate headquarters into their trailers but the ones who turn into actual cities/bases are few. It’s the aim of this Soapbox to assess the major Cityformers and see how they stack up against each other.

    The list I’ll be working from is Fortress Maximus, Omega Supreme, Metroplex, Overlord, Scorponok and Trypticon. A very vintage list but it’s not like we’ve seen many Cityformers since G1.

    Omega Supreme


    Nostalgically Omega Supreme rates right up there. Of all of the giants, he had the most air time and focus. Through the first 3 seasons, he was the one massive giant that was the Autobot’s pillar of strength. His unique instructional manner of speaking kept him distinct in our minds. Combine that with the rocket base alt mode and unique blaster and claw, Omega stood out not just because he was a massive robot but because of his other features too.

    How did this stack up as a toy?

    Poorly. The G1 toy is one heck of a partsformer. In all honesty, he’s a mess. Without clips to hold him together, he’s an utterly frustrating toy. His transformation is hardly intuitive at all. Calling it a “transformation” is far too generous. In terms of scale, he’s not that great either b/c once you get him, you have to suspend your notion of reality and imagine that large toys can somehow fit in the other – either by removing them from sight or by simply ignoring the others.

    Omega isn’t that big a toy either. Once you have Shockwave or even a Seeker, you really struggle with the scale of the figure. He’s still bigger but he’s certainly not what you imagined. As such, Omega only ever holds up as a toy b/c of the inherent nostalgia that accompanies him.

    Metroplex


    Where Omega was not a real city, Metroplex made up for it. He was the first real Transformer & playset rolled into one. In the cartoon, his air time was quite severely limited and rarely did he have an opportunity to shine. And even when he did, it was more the token end of the episode saviour role. Metroplex seemed a constant victim too with him losing his eyes or transformation cog. Very rarely did he seem imposing and a threat to the Decepticons as he should’ve been.

    In hindsight, one must concede that it makes sense that he was a victim b/c the Decepticons would make it their objective to limit his strategic value to the Autobots. That said, it doesn’t help from a nostalgic point of view when compared to the dominance of Omega Supreme who was never Mr. Victim.

    Metroplex was a very good toy. His transformation holds up well even today with its twists and turns. He’s better than a lot of figures that have been sold in the Supreme size class in the last five years. His playability is great and he can accommodate not only Mini-bots but combiner teams as well. If you dig deeper you’ll find “gestalt” formations that that he can form with the Aerialbots or Protectobots. Add to that, he’s accompanied by two robots, Six Gun and Scamper. Add Slammer and this is one heckuva playset. Add his third carrier mode and you have one of the great Cityformers.

    Trypticon


    Trypticon was the large hulking dinosaur that was the answer to Metroplex. Inevitably, his simplified manner of speaking made him akin to the Dinobots. Unfortunately the fact that he transformed into a base was hardly ever a point accentuated in the cartoon and until you got your mitts onto the toy catalogue, you’d be forgiven for hardly remembering that fact too. That said, he was hardly forgettable. Trypticon was the only ever Decepticon Cityformer in G1. For that reason alone he was special.

    The merits of the toy though are few. At heart he splits in half and, well, that’s it. Not exactly an inspiring transformation. He does hold up as a City though with all of the weapons he had and his ability to, like Metroplex, accommodate mini-bots and combiner teams. However, he didn’t have all the extras that Metroplex had. Full-Tilt and Brunt pale in comparison to the three extra vehicles/bots that Metroplex has. Furthermore, Brunt, the purple tank, is less than inspiring compared to Scamper who you can visualize as running around Metroplex’s city form. The other thing is that Trypticon suffers from what Scorponok does: symmetry. Basically, asymmetrical transformers work for most modes but not for cities. Cities are supposed to have a wide array of terrains and that’s what Metroplex has that Trypticon can’t match.

    Overlord


    Nostalgically, he has nothing to offer. Before anyone starts, let’s look at this from a returned childhood fan. To the childhood fan, Transformers were G1 or Beast Wars. Hearing of the Japanese incarnations is foreign to you. You may or may not go on to invest time into these other versions but either way, it holds little nostalgic value b/c you never experienced. That’s not to say you won’t become interested in it, its just that until your re-initiation the name Overlord meant as much to you as “Mike Smith”.

    Well, why then does he make this list? Because some of us did acquire him in our childhood but we didn’t have a context for him. So how does he stack up? Overlord isn’t much different from Omega Supreme; he’s a partsformer. He is better though b/c he is larger and requires far less clips to hold together. He has complete forms that are reasonably sturdy. Add the little Power Masters and you’ve got a neat little playset. He is the largest Decepticon of the Cityformers. Unfortunately, his base mode too suffers from the symmetrical problem that Scorponok and Trypticon have. It really is a central command hub surrounded by two loosely connected platforms. But his saving grace is still his scale. It’s amazing to have such a large toy and even though is his scale. And nothing has ever come close to comparing with that and being dubbed a Cityformer in the process.

    Scorponok


    Ah, Scorponok. Apart from 3 episodes in the final season of G1, he means very little to most audiences. He was cool though. A gigantic Scorpion that morphed into a base and a robot. He was powerful and brutal and that made him memorable. He might’ve been at the tail end but unlike Trypticon who was a clutz, you actually felt Scorponok would be the first Cityformer who would actually pose a real threat.

    That enjoyment though isn’t carried on through to his toy. Again the problem with symmetry unfortunately arises in City mode. It’s a peak at the centre and resembles more of a mountain than anything else. The Headmaster gimmick is unique to it though and is partially its saving grace. The other feature that you’ve got to like about it are the ports and little bays that it has. Without the consideration of scale it seems cool. But once you factor in the scale of toys in its time, it does not hold up well. The Scorponok mode though is great. It’s menacing and imposing. And there’s certainly a sense of scale when you compare it to many Autobot cars.

    Fortress Maximus


    The grand daddy of Generation One Transformers. There is one indisputable fact. In G1, Fortress Maximus was not a character that you could warm to. A pacifist (“wimp”) at heart, his character was not compelling. He relied on the last 15 minutes of the last episode of G1 to show the full force of his power. It was cool but it was hardly memorable.

    As a toy though, all fans alike will agree he is the Holy Grail. The largest Transformer ever produced, there’s that allure about being able to add him to your collection. Having a toy of that scale, a scale that has not been replicated since, is the goal of every collector. But that’s not all. He’s a very good Transformer. The way his legs twist and turn to form his City Mode is quite ingenious. It reduces space quite cleverly. The way his guns fold in and form the city tower is lovely. There’s plenty of weapons, hatches, ramps, storage areas, elevators and bunkers to keep one fascinated. That’s not even talking about his two headmasters and little city bots! His sheer scale adds to his playability. His largest failing is arguably the fact that he lies down in Battle Station mode. You thought War Within Megatron was bad? Try Fortress Maximus. Of course, given the time in which he was created, you can argue its forgiveable. And it is once you take a look at the Battle Station mode. It’s a fearsome beast that no horde would want to oppose.

    Conclusions

    What one looks for in a City Former is a fine balance between nostalgia and transformation. The only toy that ever really offered that was Metroplex. His transformation holds up, his playability is great, and nostalgically, there was a lot to love about Metroplex. That’s not to say that any of the other toys aren’t worthy in their own right. They are. Some have more nostalgic meaning than others and one most remember a very large part of acquiring G1 is nostalgia. But when one adopts a holistic approach, only Metroplex can tick all the boxes.
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    Any fan who returns to the TF fold again almost always immediately turns their mind to the massive robots that dominated their childhood TV screens.
    Wow the cartoon bias is strong in this one.

    I'm sure some fans remember the comics they read as a kid equally as much as the cartoons they watched. But that said most of these characters were not depicted in the same massive size scale in the comic (except Metroplex).

    I'm voting Omega because he was darn impressive in his debut comic appearance and in his cartoon appearances, and I was very impressed with the toy when I finally got it last year after 23 years of waiting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paulbot View Post
    Wow the cartoon bias is strong in this one.

    I'm sure some fans remember the comics they read as a kid equally as much as the cartoons they watched. But that said most of these characters were not depicted in the same massive size scale in the comic (except Metroplex).
    Hence, why I'm picking your brain on our other little project.

    But also, it was partially because I wanted to limit it down and not have a 7 pager b/c I'd eventually have to include a lot of the Japanese "cityformers" or robots who had city forms too like Star Convoy who I honestly didn't know enough about.

    Oh and on that note, I also felt I had to vote Metroplex b/c I had to back up my own contention. My own personal gut feel though was to go with Omega too
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    I voted for Scorponok because he's my all time favourite G1 Decepticon. And for me, it's about the character.

    A ruthless yet honourable commander who was loyal to the Decepticon cause, Scorponok was the first Decepticon leader who genuinely considered forging an alliance between Autobots and Decepticons. And the decision to ally the Decepticons with the Autobots was a difficult and unpopular one. When Optimus Prime surrendered to him, Scorponok was tempted to use it as an opportunity to allow the Decepticons to decisively win the war. But after some 'aggressive negotiation' from the Autobots, Scorponok decided to go ahead with the alliance.

    And at first one might think that it was an alliance of convenience, but Scorponok proved himself to be a true ally when an assassination attempt was made on Optimus Prime's life by Unicron worshipping acolytes on Cybertron - Scorponok could have easily walked away and left Prime to fend for himself, but he made the conscious decision to honour his allegiance and rescued Optimus Prime from the assassins. And the battle against Unicron proved to be Scorponok's finest hour, where he boldly attacked Unicron with his bare claws only to have Unicron reduce him to slag... and the scene where Optimus Prime is kneeling next to Scorponok, so that Scorponok would not die alone - and then to see him finally die in Prime's arms... to me that still remains the single most powerful emotional moment in all Transformers history and rivals the death of Optimus Prime in Transformers The Movie and Dinobot's death in "Code of Hero."


    P.S.: I like STL's pic of Trypticon fighting the Dinobots. Slag seems to be trying to burn Trypticon's janglies off! You _go_ Slag!!
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    I voted for Trypticon mostly for nostalgic reasons, i always remember the episode where he was created from an actual City!! and the Decepticons just tore it to pieces just so that they could build Trypticon. It had a real sense of devastation, drama and "oh shit what are we gonna do now" feel about it from the Autobots that were watching this happening and couldnt do anything about it.

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    Voted for Trypticon.

    A cityformer that turns into a dinosaur? How could kids not want one?
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    Hmm Metroplex does fit being most playable but size wise, if your gonna diss Omega about it, well you should Metroplex even more, since he's supposed to be more massive, well he shouldve been at least twice the size of what he is now. Now that is a baseformer. Voting for Fort max, Awkward and really heavy as he is, his size is the proper one, and with all them parts and other extras for playability I'm sold on him.
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    Some clarifications please...

    1) Scorponok's comic appearance. While the _city_ element wasn't prominent, the character was very much highlighted in the G1 Marvel comic. I'm sure a lot of longer time fans will find Scorponok to be quite a nostalgia-heavy toy. Your thoughts on Scorponok, taking into account his significance in the comic?

    2) Countdown. Sure the robot is tiny... but the rocket base is as much of a city as most of those mentioned above (and more of one that Omega Supreme in some ways). Your thoughts?

    3) You seem to be critical of the asymmetry in Trypticon & Overlord. Why no mention of the asymmetry in Metroplex?


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    Quote Originally Posted by STL View Post
    Nostalgically, he has nothing to offer. Before anyone starts, let’s look at this from a returned childhood fan. To the childhood fan, Transformers were G1 or Beast Wars. Hearing of the Japanese incarnations is foreign to you.
    Obviously not if you were a child in Japan (or Malaysia or Singapore, etc.) And the Overlord toy was also released to us westerners in 1991 which - nostalgic-childhood-wise - pre-dates Beast Wars. And he had a funky tech-specs bio and back-of-the-box mythology to keep us excited, which was as much as most Transformers got.

    Quote Originally Posted by STL View Post
    Ah, Scorponok. Apart from 3 episodes in the final season of G1, he means very little to most audiences.
    Even if people were blinkered by just watching the western cartoon and never watching, reading or playing with anything else ever, that's still not much less in the way of character appearances than Metroplex. And as Goktimus and Dirge said, Scorponok is one of the Decepticons with the richest comic and most nostalgic comics histories. Plus, Scorponok's death in TFUS #75 was the most tear-jerking moment in all of G1 other than Optimus Prime's death.

    Quote Originally Posted by STL View Post
    What one looks for in a City Former is a fine balance between nostalgia and transformation. The only toy that ever really offered that was Metroplex.


    I think any thesis that comes to the conclusion that Metroplex is better than Omega Supreme, Trypticon, Scorponok, Overlord and Fortress Maximus has an intrinsic flaw somewhere in its logic. I would rank Metroplex below all of those other toys and characters. He transforms from a robot to a non-representational pile of junk to a non-representational pile of junk with wheels. It is rare that any medium presents his base mode as anything that resembles his toy form. And as a character he has barely a dozen appearances ever.

    Overall, STL, I found this an odd soapbox. I think it would have been more coherent if it were written in the first person as opinions, but a lot of it seems bizarrely illogical when stated as third-person facts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Shadow
    Quote Originally Posted by STL
    Nostalgically, he has nothing to offer. Before anyone starts, let’s look at this from a returned childhood fan. To the childhood fan, Transformers were G1 or Beast Wars. Hearing of the Japanese incarnations is foreign to you.
    Obviously not if you were a child in Japan (or Malaysia or Singapore, etc.)
    True that. It's all rather relative depending on where you grew up. I once had a Japanese Transfan who, when he first saw my collection (and later dirge's), was drooling over toys like Mega Pretenders, Small Pretenders and Small Targetmasters - toys in the same way that many Western fans would get excited over Lio Kaiser or Dinoking as those toys were never released in Japan and very foreign and exotic for a Japanese fan... yet dirge and I had a good chuckle as these toys certainly aren't exotic for us!

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