GI Joe Resolute

[Lord_Zed]

Prime time Anime is the same though, made for an older audience than kids.

If they made GI Joe as violent as Hellsing they'd run out of characters.

Mind you both the old Transformers comic and the GI Joe comic could be quite violent for what they were at times. How many times did Megatron or Galvatron rip an enemy's head of? And then there was things like Saw Viper puting a burst of his heavy machine gun through Docs face in GI Joe.

Not sure who's animating Resolute but unfortunately in the past when the Japanese produce Transformers and GI Joe we get the Armada Triloligy and Sigma Six.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYJNY...eature=related

[MV75]

Cool!

Gi-Joe x-over 24.

C'mon, I seriously arn't the first to see that right?

[SilverDragon]

I watched the first episode. I'm sorry, but I cannot take any of it seriously, least of all Cobra Commander. Even though he wields frightening power, he still looks like a member of Team Rocket.

Umm... yeah, that's the point. (-_-)

This cartoon demonstrates that Hasbro is willing to allow a cartoon to be made for adults based on one of their toylines which they are marketing at children. Transformers is also a Hasbro toyline which they market at children, hence I'd like to see a Transformers cartoon that is marketed at adult fans just as G.I. Joe Resolute is clearly marketed at adult Joe fans, and not primarily at the children who buy the toys.

Yeah...one problem there: Kids don't care about GI Joe.

I think I'll let Chris McFeely take over at this point, because he has an interesting point to make regarding a Resolute-style TF show:

It's pretty unlikely we'll see anything like Resolute for Transformers, and the reason why is pretty simple: at this point in time, as has been the case for a few years now, kids don't really give a shit about G.I. Joe. After the basic failure of it's attempt to emulate Armada's success with an Anime-style reboot, it undid every change that Sigma Six wrought upon the franchise and immediately reverted to a 25th anniversary line that is, for all intents and purpose, almost entirely targeted at adult collectors. "Resolute" is playing to the only audience G.I.Joe HAS - the adult one - because they don't need to WORRY about how it's percieved by children.

Transformers, on the other hand, is still a HUGE thing with kids, and targeted at them above all else. They'd NEVER get away with making an adult-targeted cartoon for a property that is supposed to be for children, because kids will want to WATCH it, and that'll cause ALL kindsa backlash from parents. Hasbro never takes that kind of risk - it's because children matter above else that things like convention toys and stuff that will never logically be AVAILABLE to children still have to pass safety tests and all of that. Kids come first.

Even then, frankly, I don't really think I'd want to watch such a thing. While Resolute is lovely to look at and enjoyable enough, it's also terribly fanficcy, like some twentysomething reinvented G.I. Joe with OOOH VIOLENCE because it's ADULT and GRITTY. Joe, at least, is about human, military men and women fighting terrorists. Transformers is about shape-changing alien robots from space. It doesn't pull it off as well (just as, conversely, the G1 cartoon carried off silly sci-fi plots a HELL of a lot better than the Joe cartoon ever did).

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[GoktimusPrime]

While I respect McFeely as a very knowledgeable fan, I think his appraisal is somewhat of a hyperbole. G.I. Joe, as a toy franchise, is still being marketed at kids. The toys are still being sold in toy stores and department stores, not collector stores unlike other toys marketed directly at adult collectors like DC Direct, Transformers Sport & Music Label etc. I think there is possibly some truth in that G.I. Joe may have a larger adult fan base, but so would Star Wars. I don't know enough about G.I. Joe or have ever seen any statistics to tell what the child:adult fandom ratio would be - but I would be surprised if the G.I. Joe fandom was completely comprised of adults.

Having said that, Feely does have a point in saying that Transformers does still have a massive child fanbase. And historically Transformers didn't do so well when it became too adult (re: Beast Machines). Hence why I said that the ideal solution would be some kind of balance like we had with Beast Wars - and that we've seen in a lot of other franchises like Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Batman: The Brave and the Bold etc. It is possible to have Transformers simultaneously appeal to both children and adults if they try.

[roller]

. It also suffered from some character-continuity issues (e.g. Rhinox suddenly becoming evil and Megatron suddenly being "good" for absolutely no apparent reason). .

Maybe something happened to Megatron in the intervening time of falling off the shuttle and the maximals showing up.

As for Rhinox, maybe he was reprogrammed again or just got sick and tired of being heroic, people and bots change

[loophole]

i just watched the first 8 pats of this and it was pretty good i wouldnt however say is uber awesome or anything but then again ive never really been a fan of Joe either.

[GoktimusPrime]

Maybe something happened to Megatron in the intervening time of falling off the shuttle and the maximals showing up.

Yeah like what? This was never explained.

As for Rhinox, maybe he was reprogrammed again or just got sick and tired of being heroic, people and bots change

Rhinox turned to evil after his Vehicon reprogramming had been lifted! He was himself again but had become an entirely different character from what he'd used to be for no apparent reason.

Yes, characters change - but a well written story explains how and why the change occurs. Change is absolutely essential for characters in a story because it's the change in the characters that drive the story. Stories that lack character development often have very shallow plots - this is my criticism of TF continuities like the G1 cartoon and some characters in Transformers Animated during Season 1 and parts of Season 2 (e.g.: the Dinobots).

The problem with the changes made to Rhinox and Megatron is that they're contrary to the development that was made to these characters in Beast Wars. If you're going to do that, then there needs to be exposition as to why you've drastically changed these characters. BM Silverbolt is an example of a character whose BW to BM personality change was better explained -- the former "boy scout dork" and romantic chivalrous "knight in shining armour" had been psychologically tormented and deeply violated under his Vehicon reprogramming. Even with the reprogramming lifted, the emotional scars could never heal and burned deep... driving him to become the "Dark Knight" ... the emo thing was totally overdone, but at least how he arrived to that state was explained. It wasn't as if he just woke up one morning and suddenly felt like being a bad bottom.

Blackarachnia's transition from Predacon to Maximal in Beast Wars was also better explained through her relationship with Silverbolt. And there's tonnes of other examples from Transformers and other literature such as Star Wars (e.g.: Anakin Skywalker), The Lord of the Rings (e.g.: Frodo Baggins) et al.

BM Megatron and Rhinox's personality changes were as if someone had just waved a magic wand and said, "now you're good, now you're evil!" I mean, if you need to create a gratuitous plot device to elicit a quick and convenient personality change, then just bloody make one! e.g.: reprogramming, virus, hate plague, the One Ring, red Kryptonite etc etc. It makes a lot more sense than... ya know... no explanation at all!

[Lord_Zed]

Well certainly we can see why Anakin went to the Darkside more clearly than Rihnox, but I still think he made the jump from being morally conflicted to child killing pretty quickly.

Getting back to the topic of this thread having watched all 11 mini-episodes of GI Joe Resolute I agree with Loophole's opinon of it being pretty good, but not absolutely spectacular.

The main think I like about Resolute though is that its a good anniversary hommage to GI Joe, they took elements of every GI Joe series to date, the comics both Marvel, Devils Due and IDW as well as the original toons, and Sigma Six.

I'd still like to see a series, even if there is no Major Blood and Road Block is a badass.

Overall not as great as the various comic incarnations but it is still the best GI Joe Toon ever IMO. Although that has a lot to do with all the previous toons sucking.

[liegeprime]

Hmmm the art reminds me of erm Ghost in a shell.... Naruto and other Japanese type toons. NOt your common kiddy american toons hehehehe. NOT for kids. I like it!!! Finally the brutality and realism of terrorissssssm yessssss. Though CC may be sinister, still prefer the old voice, call me sentimental.

[GoktimusPrime]

the art reminds me of erm Ghost in a shell.... Naruto and other Japanese type toons.

+1. Very good quality animé-esque animation.