GI Joe Resolute

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lol those cobra flunkies shoot like Stormtroopers they cant even hit 2 people standing still LMAO

[Vector Sigma 13]

It is possible to have Transformers simultaneously appeal to both children and adults if they try.

They already are arent they? Thats why we are here?

Hasbro are running a business that has to be profitable:

Adult markets must be a hit and miss affair in some respects. They have to produce a superior quality product and at a higher cost and hope to hell they can sell it.

By the way i was never into GIJoe but this looks like its worth having a look at!

[GoktimusPrime]

They already are arent they? Thats why we are here?

I meant in terms of fiction. We already have it in the comics, but we haven't had it in a TV series since Beast Wars & Beast Machines. All TF cartoons since then have been primarily written for children.

I'd love to see an animated mini-series written by perhaps Simon Furman, Larry DiTillio and/or Bob Forward. An animated mini-series based on or inspired by Infiltration/Devastation would be pretty cool IMO.

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I meant in terms of fiction. We already have it in the comics, but we haven't had it in a TV series since Beast Wars & Beast Machines. All TF cartoons since then have been primarily written for children.

I'd love to see an animated mini-series written by perhaps Simon Furman, Larry DiTillio and/or Bob Forward. An animated mini-series based on or inspired by Infiltration/Devastation would be pretty cool IMO.

I don't agree. Animated has already set itself up as a very kiddy cartoon with an equally kiddy universe down to its core including character/toy designs (Mario Huffer). Having something as serious as Infiltration/Devastation would not suit the design style at all.

If a new series which is more appealing to kids and adults alike should arise, Animated needs to end, at least as a cartoon.

[Vector Sigma 13]

I cant see how they could do anything to make Animated more suitable for adults. Its designed for kids!

Maybe there is a reason there hasnt been anything similar to Beast Wars and Beast Machines- It doesnt make enough money/ doesnt have the following that the kids stuff does/did?

I enjoy the comic adult orientated universe very much but it just hard to imagine that there will be any Transformers prodominantly for the older age bracket.

Maybe they might do it in Japan? Seems to be more of a market for more mature content over there.

[GoktimusPrime]

I said animated mini-series, not Animated mini-series. :/ It's what would be referred to as an OVA series in animé terms. It's far too late to change Animated now - that horse has already well and truly bolted. Tbh, I think Animated writers are trying to end the series well given what they already established in Seasons 1 and 2. The ending of Animated ought to be more well received than say the ending of Beast Machines! ;p

Maybe there is a reason there hasnt been anything similar to Beast Wars and Beast Machines- It doesnt make enough money/ doesnt have the following that the kids stuff does/did?

Beast Wars is the Transformers equivalent of the Renaissance! If you'll recall, by 1995 Transformers was a nearly dead franchise. G1 had flopped by 1993 and HasTak's attempt to resuscitate the line with "Transformers Generation 2" had effectively failed. G2 did give us some good toys with great engineering and giving birth to fully articulated robot modes, but it was toward the end of the line - by then it was too little too late. When Beast Wars rocked along the scene in 1996 it breathed new life into Transformers. The line was so popular that Hasbro commissioned Mainframe Entertainment to make the cartoon series; a series which won an Emmy Award for its 2nd season - the only Transformers series to have won an Emmy to date afaik. The series was popular among both kids and adults. It had plenty of action and light-hearted humour to for the kids, and a serious story arc and adult humour (including sexual innuendo) for adults. The story itself existed within the same overall continuity as G1 and G2, and picked up where G2 finished, and even served to further expand upon (and arguably enhance) the original G1/G2 lore.

And the toy line wasn't cancelled because it wasn't selling well - it was cancelled because Hasbro wanted to take the line in a different direction... that direction being Beast Machines - and we know how that turned out.

But Beast Wars proved that a TV series written for both kids and adults can work. A lot of other cartoon-toy franchises continue to demonstrate this such as Batman: The Brave and the Bold, Star Wars Clone Wars (also a Hasbro toy line), Spiderman et al. And one reason why a lot of G1 fans didn't enjoy the post-movie G1 episodes as much as the pre-movie eps is because in some ways, the maturity of the show had declined somewhat. Most fans like Buster/Spike and Bumblebee -- clearly that relationship continues to endure in the movie franchise with Sam and Bumblebee... yet most fans loathe Daniel and Wheelie (as illustrated in Trannies results).

[Vector Sigma 13]

Ahhh the little "a" gets me every time...lol

I cant recall anything much from those years because i was too busy being a stupid teen and getting wasted most of the time. You could call it my "gap" years.

Thanks for the heads up just the same, i really had no idea that the "animal Transformers" were so popular. You know i swore id never own one but i do now...

and will probably own more!

You know growing up with G1 in your blood can make it hard to accept "robots in animal disguises" or anything else for that matter.

Eh hang on isnt thi a GI JOE thread?

[GoktimusPrime]

Bloody Transfans!

Okay, so I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to G.I. Joe so here's some noob questions...
RE: Billy, Cobra Commander's son.
1. Who was his mother? (don't say Midichlorians!)
2. Why does he have an eyepatch?
3. I kinda remember him joining the Joes. How did that work out?

[kup]

Ahhh the little "a" gets me every time...lol

I cant recall anything much from those years because i was too busy being a stupid teen and getting wasted most of the time. You could call it my "gap" years.

Thanks for the heads up just the same, i really had no idea that the "animal Transformers" were so popular. You know i swore id never own one but i do now...

and will probably own more!

You know growing up with G1 in your blood can make it hard to accept "robots in animal disguises" or anything else for that matter.

Eh hang on isnt thi a GI JOE thread?

A lot of G1 only fans have a hard time realizing that there is actually very little concept wise in Beast Wars that wasn't already explored in some way in G1. Beast Wars is a true continuation of G1 as you can see many of its concepts reappearing and enhanced in BW.

Beast modes?
G1 had pioneered it (Dinobots, Predacons, etc)

Organic/partially organic Beast modes?
G1 also pioneered it. 'Season 1' Beast modes are pretty much an evolution of the G1 Pretender shell and even so, some G1 characters had 'realistic' surfaces such as Fangry's Fuzor type alt mode.

Robotic Beast Modes? Again something similarly seen in G1.

Sparks? called Fusion cores in G1.

One could go on and on. Beast Wars was a true continuation of G1 and that contributes to its greatness as it managed to retroactively enhance G1 with its own mythos and concepts.

[liegeprime]

Bloody Transfans!

Okay, so I'm pretty much a noob when it comes to G.I. Joe so here's some noob questions...
RE: Billy, Cobra Commander's son.
1. Who was his mother? (don't say Midichlorians!)
2. Why does he have an eyepatch?
3. I kinda remember him joining the Joes. How did that work out?

IM into joes but not much, AFAIK Billy is dead, died in the hands of his own father. MOther remains unknown, prolly killed hereself when she learned who CC really was. The eyepatch is because he got injured when he was trying to escape from Cobra