I need to vent!

[GoktimusPrime]

Just wanted to point out that atrocities and acts of terrorism carried out in the name of Christianity and other religions still happen today, such as the Lord's Resistance Army. Extreme religious stupidity isn't something that remains unique to Islam. And ISIL is about as representative of Muslims as the LRA is representative of Christians.

[shockNwave]

Same could be said of the bible and it's relation to the atrocities committed during the Spanish Inquisition, especially when you read the Old Testament.

Can't lump everyone of a certain religious faith together. I've been given more generous Xmas gifts by the families of Muslim kids I've taught than the Christian ones. It's down to individuality and how one chooses to express their faith. Save hatred for the Terrorists - not your everyday Muslim on the street

I'm glad you mentioned individuality because individualist religion poses a threat to the iron fisted tyranny that can be found within organised religion. Sadly, ISIL is very good at practicing iron fisted tyranny and thus stamping out individuality.

As for the bible, the old testament has been followed up by the new testament.
Can the same be said for the koran and the hadith?

[shockNwave]

Just wanted to point out that atrocities and acts of terrorism carried out in the name of Christianity and other religions still happen today, such as the Lord's Resistance Army. Extreme religious stupidity isn't something that remains unique to Islam. And ISIL is about as representative of Muslims as the LRA is representative of Christians.

Talk of atrocities and acts of terrorism can be viewed in the following contexts; quality and quantity.
Quality can mean level of barbarism (e.g. beheading, bombings).
Quantity can mean amount of atrocities/acts as well as amount of deaths.
I doubt Christianity and those other religions can compete with what Islam is committing these days.

[BigTransformerTrev]

Just remember the the description of this section mate:

Non-toy Stuff
For everything else that is NOT toy related. Unresolveable topics like religion, politics, social ideologies, etc, are discouraged. Other boards cater for that.

While I don't think anyone here is worried about offending terrorists, we may have Muslim members who would not wish to have their religion insulted or put under the microscope and we all have to respect that.

I inadvertently insulted the faith of a Christian member when I was a Newbie here and I ended up apologising as I realised this wasn't the forum to question their beliefs. If we are all going to discuss this topic, let's keep it about what happened in France like Griffin, Trent and Kup have been doing and not let it stray to the wider topic of comparative religion.

[BigTransformerTrev]

BTW, I'm not having a go at you ShocknWave, just don't want you to fall into the same trap I did. Personally as an athiest I'd be more than happy if all religion came to an end and people just accepted what science has proved in a myriad of ways over and over again. But I've met too many cool people of all different denominations over the course of my life to have a particular anger against any one group and have come to realise that even if I don't agree with how they live their lives it's not my place to tell them how they should be living, especially on a Transformers Fansite. Anyway, I'm gonna try and limit my discussions back to the topic of what happened in France and it's prob a good idea to do the same so you don't get in trouble with the Moderators

Terrorists however - b*stards to a man and I think the Mods wont mind if we slag them off to our hearts content eh

[Tober]

As for the bible, the old testament has been followed up by the new testament.
Can the same be said for the koran and the hadith?

The Koran was written well after the New Testament and is basically a follow up to it.

The Koran being much the same up to the death of the Christ. From an atheist's point of view anyway.

Regardless, as said, religious discussion is generally not allowed on these boards. Please refrain from it.

[kup]

To get angry towards ISIL means that sooner or later one needs to get angry towards the koran and the hadith. These books are the heart & soul, the fuel of ISIL.
So therefore criticism of the koran and hadith will be treated as islamophobia, racism or an attack on moderate muslims when it's really an attack on paedophilia, forced marriage/sexual slavery and enemies of human rights.

I hate the terrorists, I wanted them exterminated. However that doesn't mean I am going to go and support people killing every Muslim they see on the streets.

Trev has it right, the bible is also filled with vile crap that got acted upon during Inquisition times and much of the middle ages. We all know how progressive that age was that it is now historically known as the 'dark ages'.

Ironically enough during this time the Arabs were much more progressive Socially, in Science and mathematics and this helped Europe restore much of what was lost after Rome fell and put us back into a progressive path. If Christians are not presently killing other non-christians or those not of their exact faith then they can only be called moderate Christians because if they were 'extremists' they would also be killing in the name of the Bible/Christ as it has happened in the past.

However one has to acknowledge that the hippy left wing angle is also grossly silly - Simply the other extreme of the same stupidity. Clearly there is a problem with extremism in modern Muslim culture and this needs to be acknowledged if we are to remove it. I can say with some measure of certainly that a lot of Muslims around the Lakemba area would not be the types that I woud call 'moderate'. The reason why their kids are more likely to act is because they hear the idiology tom the parents (eg, Son, just look at how those women dress, this country is rotten and needs Sharia law) They may not be blowing themselves up but I am sure they wish to have what IS want to achieve through violence and neither end goal is good for humanity.

[GoktimusPrime]

As for the bible, the old testament has been followed up by the new testament.
Can the same be said for the koran and the hadith?

Yes.

I doubt Christianity and those other religions can compete with what Islam is committing these days.

Again, just looking at contemporary atrocities committed by Christian terrorist organisations like the LRA... the LRA does things like:
* Abducting people; nearly half of which are children aged 15 or under.
* Abductees are then introduced to drugs, making them more mentally/psychologically unstable and easier to manipulate. Children are also trained as child soldiers. In 2006, the UN found over 5000 child soldiers! Yeah, the LRA actually sends children to do their fighting!
* As initiation, children are made to kill their own parents.
LRA leaders have been charged by the International Criminal Court for war crimes, including murder, rape and sexual slavery.

The Ugandan Ministry of Health estimates that the LRA killed 28,283 people within a 7 month period. That's 208 times more than the number of people killed in the Paris attacks! 28,283 deaths in 7 months means that they're killing about 4040 people a month, or roughly 48,480 people a year. It's equivalent to killing the entire population of Gladstone QLD every year. The LRA have been in operation since 1987, so they may have killed as many as over a million people!

"...we are fighting in the name of God... we are fighting for the Ten Commandments of God... because the Ten Commandments of God is the constitution that God has given the people of the world."
- Vincent Otti

[kup]

Yes.

Again, just looking at contemporary atrocities committed by Christian terrorist organisations like the LRA... the LRA does things like:
* Abducting people; nearly half of which are children aged 15 or under.
* Abductees are then introduced to drugs, making them more mentally/psychologically unstable and easier to manipulate. Children are also trained as child soldiers. In 2006, the UN found over 5000 child soldiers! Yeah, the LRA actually sends children to do their fighting!
* As initiation, children are made to kill their own parents.
LRA leaders have been charged by the International Criminal Court for war crimes, including murder, rape and sexual slavery.

The Ugandan Ministry of Health estimates that the LRA killed 28,283 people within a 7 month period. That's 208 times more than the number of people killed in the Paris attacks! 28,283 deaths in 7 months means that they're killing about 4040 people a month, or roughly 48,480 people a year. It's equivalent to killing the entire population of Gladstone QLD every year. The LRA have been in operation since 1987, so they may have killed as many as over a million people!

"...we are fighting in the name of God... we are fighting for the Ten Commandments of God... because the Ten Commandments of God is the constitution that God has given the people of the world."
- Vincent Otti

Who gives a shit what Christians do or don't in relations to what ISIS has done/doing. Because one group did it or does it doesn't excuse the other. This is the sort of BS that ends up causing division - Right now we have one enemy we are focusing on and that's ISIS and the extremist Muslim ideology that fuels them.

[Handsprime]

Oh jeez this sure is controversial