Counting this ROTF Set???

[Zahhak]

Another reason why I'd count Devs as only one toy..would anyone wan't a single part of the combiner? you know many of us want single gesalt team members e.g. Swindle, but I can't imagine I'd go searching ebay for Devs left arm unless I bought him and lost/broke it.

On a related topic, how about the Ice-cream twins?

hmm while they have bot modes each they only have one combined form, so I'd say it falls under just one. Also it kinda falls under what I said above in that no one would really want half the set,
Despite the fact they are disticatly two characters, they only transfrom together...That being said what if in the movie we see one of the halves use their alt mode seperatly....e.g. the front end drvies round for a bit by itself.

That being said is it even possiable to transform the twins apart?

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

"Not to worry, we are still flying half a ship." - Obi-Wan Kenobi.

[GoktimusPrime]

Another reason why I'd count Devs as only one toy..would anyone wan't a single part of the combiner? you know many of us want single gesalt team members e.g. Swindle, but I can't imagine I'd go searching ebay for Devs left arm unless I bought him and lost/broke it.

Precisely. And that's what makes them count more as "multi-in-1 components" rather than actual meaningful Transformers action figures.

Toywise, Movie Devastator is like the next level up from toys like the Duocons and Magmatron, where the robot transforms into multiple alt modes. I wouldn't count Battletrap as 2 nor would I count Magmatron as 3; and under the Universal Counting Method, both Battletrap and Magmatron count as 1 Transformer each. So under that rationale, I'd say that Movie Devastator would count as 1 Transformer too.

As you said, nobody would want any of these "Constructicons" sold individually, whereas fully transformable gestalt Transformers can be sold individually, even if they can't combine. The 1992 G1 (European/Australasian) Constructicons, Motorvators and Autobot Rescue Squad demonstrate this.

[kup]

I'd say one too.

We don't count the pieces of Duocons, Magmatron and other toys with non transforming pieces as separate TFs.

However I am sure if this goes to a public poll, people will want the individual parts to count just so they can increase their collection count which many fans seem obsessed with.

[Sky Shadow]

"Not to worry, we are still flying half a ship." - Obi-Wan Kenobi.

"Seeing as how they would have detonated four quarters, I think it was a good choice." - Han Solo.

Oh... I mean, Springer.

[GoktimusPrime]

"Ham Salad: Intergalactic Wise-Guy."
- Hardware Wars



Tidalwave is another example of a multi-in-1-former. I don't think many people would count him as 3 Transformers (if so it would only be fleeting - badaboom TISH! )

[Bartrim]

What about the fact the individual components of Devs are seperate characters? I guess it depends on whether you look at it as a toy or a character

[MV75]

^ exactly. They all have their own names, I'd count them seperately like you would for say, menasor.

But on the other hand, their sole purpose is to just form into devastator, as it's even sold that way already combined. I'd make a special exemption to the counting rules for toys such as this that they are just one. Because in comparison to a giftset of menasor, they are packed as individuals with their only transforming purpose to not only be menasor.

And as for the icecream truck, it's a grey area, I'd count it as two unless the icecream truck mode has it's own name.

[Sky Shadow]

What about the fact the individual components of Devs are seperate characters? I guess it depends on whether you look at it as a toy or a character

Landsaur, Seasaur, Skysaur, Fire-1, Copter-2, Digger-3 and Submarine-4 are all similar non-transforming gestalt components that have names. Still, I wouldn't say Magmatron is three Transformers or that Energon Optimus Prime is five Transformers.

[Bartrim]

Landsaur, Seasaur, Skysaur, Fire-1, Copter-2, Digger-3 and Submarine-4 are all similar non-transforming gestalt components that have names. Still, I wouldn't say Magmatron is three Transformers or that Energon Optimus Prime is five Transformers.

Yeah but being a remote object that has a name and being a seperate character are two totally seperate things.