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However in Marvel G1 it is explained that Primus suplanted the organic world it inhabited rather than evolved it. That is why the organic beings living at its core were secluded within. Although the planet itself was not build from scratch by Primus, what we know as cybertronians were.
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NOT LISTENING, LA LA LA LA LA *hides in bed with the covers over my head until the whole thing blows over*Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
To be fair, the idea of Cybertron once being an organic (and even technorganic) world is something that originated in G1. The G1 cartoon episode "Dweller in the Depths" (1986) actually shows Cybertron's core as being organic and that the Quintessons had conducted experiments in creating technorganic life known as Trans-Organics (and as revealed in Transformers Universe, the Oracle itself was a shell program created by the Quintessons in an attempt to harness the power of Vector Sigma).
In the G1 comics Cybertron was not scratch-made by Primus, but rather both he and Unicron re-created existing planetoids into Cybertron and the physical embodiment of Unicron commonly seen in TF canon (The Legacy of Unicron! (1988)). Later we see 'technorganic' (?) creatures from the depths of Cybertron emerge, claiming to be the indigenous inhabitants of Cybertron, long before Primus remade the world as Cybertron (On the Edge of Extinction! and Still Life! (1990-1991)).
By "drone" I'm guessing you mean the Diagnostic Drone? He was a pretty cool character.
Dweller's one of my favourite G1 Season 3 episodes, but it's been a while since I saw that episode - where does it show Cybertron having an organic core again? I only remember the organic stasis-pod machine and a bunch of rock caverns.
Yeah, the Diagnostic Drone was the one I was talking about. It still amazes me that the Mainframe animators could make such a simple model so incredibly expressive - puts the AEC trilogy to shame. And then to have Tankor co-opt it, and Megatron still defeat the Maximals while stuck in a supposedly helpless body - beautiful.
Having missed out on the comics (not a 'true fan' I know) I prefer leaving God(s) out of it and just having the TFs arise as a chance evolution of sentient robots - I really like the randomness of it and the parallels to human evolution. The cartoon Unicron origin story, on the other hand...*despairingly pulls the covers back over my head*
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I wasn't a fan of the Tankor saga because having Rhinox willingly turn evil just felt so... wrong. He was always the calm bot who'd much rather "smell the flowers."
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Yes I rather like that origin idea as opposed to a Godlike being or Quintesson toys.
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The rock caverns were part of Cybertron's organic core. In Beast Machines Cybertron's organic core is portrayed in a similar manner - rocky. They added fossils, water (which makes sense since Cybertron's atmosphere contains oxygen) and technorganic goop.
That's also from the G1 comics! #1 described the Transformers' origin via 'natural evolution', but it was later retconned by Simon Furman who gave us the Transformers' theological origin.
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Bloody Furman. When the Kansas school board tries pushing ID on children we get the Flying Spaghetti Monster, when it's Furman it's fine...
Being a comic-ignorant sod I'd just figured that was a planetoid, but rocky life huh?
Do the Rock Lords have an origin story yet? 'Cos I'm seeing one Furman could get his teeth into right now...maybe with the inclusion of an irrepressible stone monkey-god, and/or a washed-up boxer with a speech impediment.
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BM Technorganics still don't fit with the G1 mythos. Primus completely suplanted what was the organic core of Cybertron - He did not use it at all to create life on the planet so there is no reason to say that Transformers as far as G1 is concerned had an organic past.
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That's because everyone knows that comic books are works of fiction.
The G1 cartoon also had a rocky/organic origin story too - so don't just be blaming Furman! Also, Sunbow initially thought about making Cybertron itself a giant Transformer, but the idea was shot down during the early conceptual phase.
But most importantly, both the G1 cartoon and comics showed that Cybertron had evolved past being an organic world into being a mechanical one. I think the thing with Beast Machines is that it took Cybertron back to that organic past and merged it with the mechanical present, creating a technorganic Cybertron (seeds of the future blah blah blah). Philosophically I think it's a pretty neat concept, but it clearly rubbed a lot of fans the wrong way and did not receive a warm reception at all (Bob Skir copped abuse and threats from angry Transfans long before Michael Bay!!).
The Rock Lords didn't even have a proper origin story in the original Gobots continuity! They just kinda... existed (and ate rocks - wth?!). Anyway, one would assume that the Rock Lords were destroyed along with most of the Gobots when Megatron inadvertantly destroyed their universe. A small handful of Gobots managed to flee to the Transformers' universe and have assimilated themselves amongst the Transformers as interdimensional refugees, but none of them appear to be former Rock Lords. Thank Primus. Oh sorry, thank... um... atechnogenesis.
There's nothing wrong with a stone monkey-god Transformer!!
Stone monkey god = Son Gokuu --> Gokuu + Optimus Prime = Goktimus Prime (Son Convoy)
s'right!
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