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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    I'm more comfortable with BM and like it more if I treat it as an alternate timeline.
    Funny, I have a similar safeguard. I declare the whole thing non-canon and hide in my bed with the cover over my head until the whole thing blows over. In all seriousness though, from my perspective BM was an unfair end to the BW series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adzma View Post
    Funny, I have a similar safeguard. I declare the whole thing non-canon and hide in my bed with the cover over my head until the whole thing blows over. In all seriousness though, from my perspective BM was an unfair end to the BW series.
    The Season 3 ending of BW will stay the definitive ending of BW for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    The Season 3 ending of BW will stay the definitive ending of BW for me.
    And it did end fairly well despite some loose ends when it comes to sub plots.

    They went back to Cybertron, they put Megatron in jail and they all lived happily ever after. The End

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    Quote Originally Posted by kup View Post
    I am also playing the same denial game

    BW was much more accused of ruining transformers forever when it was first announced than Beast Machines. Beast Machines was mostly a great disappointment for people who had been following Beast Wars. BM was a massively different change of direction to something distant not just from BW but Transformers in general. The continuity issues only added insult to injury.

    However on its own, BM is still an above average series.
    I wasn't uncomfortable at all with BW and loved it. BM was definitely tougher for me to take in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kup View Post
    And it did end fairly well despite some loose ends when it comes to sub plots.

    They went back to Cybertron, they put Megatron in jail and they all lived happily ever after. The End
    I LOVED Waspinator's fate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    I wasn't uncomfortable at all with BW and loved it. BM was definitely tougher for me to take in.
    When I first heard of BW I was a bit skeptical as it was a radical change to go from mostly vehicles to realistic beasts specially before the cartoon when it was suggested that Optimus Primal and BW Megatron were reincarnations of the G1 characters.

    However the quality of the toys and the awesomeness of the cartoon quickly changed that. The cartoon demonstrated that it was possible to have a completely new direction without having to ditch what came before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adzma View Post
    Funny, I have a similar safeguard. I declare the whole thing non-canon and hide in my bed with the cover over my head until the whole thing blows over. In all seriousness though, from my perspective BM was an unfair end to the BW series.
    That's my trick too. I can live with most of it right up until the Cybertron=originally organic bit (and the bat skeletons), and then it sorta goes down the plughole.
    My solution has been to just make my own micro-continuity (the Odieverse) based around the G1 Autobots activating a Wheeljack-created Hitchhiker's Guide-esque Improbability Drive invention...neatly explains all plotholes and lets me include any characters I like into a single (mostly consistent) continuity.

    Still, the Tankor saga was cool, and Strika and the drone (and Botanica too) were awesome characters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
    I can live with most of it right up until the Cybertron=originally organic bit (and the bat skeletons),
    To be fair, the idea of Cybertron once being an organic (and even technorganic) world is something that originated in G1. The G1 cartoon episode "Dweller in the Depths" (1986) actually shows Cybertron's core as being organic and that the Quintessons had conducted experiments in creating technorganic life known as Trans-Organics (and as revealed in Transformers Universe, the Oracle itself was a shell program created by the Quintessons in an attempt to harness the power of Vector Sigma).

    In the G1 comics Cybertron was not scratch-made by Primus, but rather both he and Unicron re-created existing planetoids into Cybertron and the physical embodiment of Unicron commonly seen in TF canon (The Legacy of Unicron! (1988)). Later we see 'technorganic' (?) creatures from the depths of Cybertron emerge, claiming to be the indigenous inhabitants of Cybertron, long before Primus remade the world as Cybertron (On the Edge of Extinction! and Still Life! (1990-1991)).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
    Still, the Tankor saga was cool, and Strika and the drone (and Botanica too) were awesome characters.
    By "drone" I'm guessing you mean the Diagnostic Drone? He was a pretty cool character.

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    I'll never quite understand the hostility toward the idea that Cybertron was once organic or semi organic. It makes sense more sense than Cybertron just being built by someone, and as Goktimus says there were elements of this in the old toon and comic. For me it also helps explain a bit why the hell Cybertron has oxygen although even then it still makes limited sense, like most things in Transformers.

    I can see why people got annoyed at the ending of Beast Machines though, that bugged me to. Although admitedly we were so far in the future at this point that the only way to generate new TF stories (that actualy involve robots in disgiuse) would be to go back in time again.

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    Gorlam Prime in the IDWverse was very similar.

    SPOILER:- Started as organic, species began to 'evolve' into transorganic and finally fully robotic, and even changed the name of the planet to Cybertron.

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