Goki's Rantage Engine: Alice In Wonderland

[GoktimusPrime]

Now I really do like and appreciate the homage to Pretenders made by Revenge of the Fallen with the Alice character, and I was really thrilled to see it. Those of you who were with me at the Sydney IMAX premiere might remember I was walking around afterward talking about how cool it was to see a Pretender in the movie. So just to clarify - I've always considered the concept of Alice to be a pretty cool one.

However soon after I saw the movie it dawned on me that Alice isn't really a Pretender. She's really a Transformer with a beast mode, and not a robotic animal mode like Ravage, but a true beast mode like those we see in Beast Wars, only that Alice's beast mode is a human (remembering that humans are primates/animals).

A true Pretender is one where the outer shell is essentially just an external casing, with the actual Transformer inside - and the Transformer itself can still transform into an alt mode such as a vehicle. Alice cannot do that. Her human form isn't a shell but is actually her alt mode. She transforms from robot to human and back.

Therefore it seems that despite Paramount's intentions, Alice really isn't a Pretender but a Beast Moded Transformer. Here's a visual comparison between Alice, a Pretender and a beast moded Transformer.

[roller]

Shes a pretender

live with it!






shes a movieverse pretender to me, if it says somewhere official that she isn't then she isn't.

I dont think its healthy to over think this one


where as the Hauler/Grapple debate should be argued long into the night

[SOUNDBLASTER]

Shes freakin hott ....

I dont care what she is

But if we are going by what we were brought up on in the cartoons I have to agree with Goki that she's a beast moded transformer

[Vector Prime]

Shes freakin hott ....

I dont care what she is

+1

Hmm... IMHO she's a Pretender

[SOUNDBLASTER]

The arguement would be only that she does not part with any outer PRETENDER shell in the movie she simply transforms into her ALT mode. or i guess rather morphs into it ... But like I said i dont care shes freakin hott..

ALICE & MEGAN.... OK I'm gonna stop thinking about that just b4 I go to bed .

[Sky Shadow]

Alice is a Pretender, because that's what official canon designates her to be. And you've got Lander pictured as your example of a Pretender - a character who morphs from a human to robot without any trace of a shell - just like Alice. The only difference between the two is that we don't know whether Alice has a vehicle mode... or what passes for a vehicle mode amongst Pretenders, anyway - basically just lying down and spreading one's le... Oh hey - she does have a vehicle mode!

[Jaisun]

Although she may not be a Pretender in the traditional sense, to me, she is still a Pretender. This all just imo, but the way she transforms almost alludes to a shape-shifting/morphing ability, suggesting that her human form could be one of many she can emulate, ultimately making her a 'Pretender' in the sense of being able to... well... pretend =oP

Just my thoughts though...

[SOUNDBLASTER]

Ok then I'm 50-50 on what i think then ... But I still want her in my bed . lol

Maybe without that tongues though... A normal human one will do

[Eruntalon]

Maybe she still could be considered a pretender, it's just that she just never had a chance to change into her alt mode in the film?


Also, am I wrong in saying that she just doesn't do it for me?

[SOUNDBLASTER]

Also, am I wrong in saying that she just doesn't do it for me?

No you're not wrong... We all just like different things