TF Animated General Discussion

[GoktimusPrime]

And yet as a general rule, all these lines sell out completely and sell for more (and sometimes alot more) in the secondary market which indicates there is more adult collectors than Hasbro thinks there is.
Also a more mature cartoon would conceivably bring older anime fans and some adults in general into the TF fold.

Well that all depends on how you define "more mature." Are you talking about something that is entirely focused toward older fans, like Beast Machines, or are you talking about something that is dual focused, like Beast Wars?

I think it would be a mistake to ignore the kid market - they are still the majority market share and the staple bread and butter for Transformers toy sales. But I agree that a show that also has another layer that can appeal toward older collectors would assist in drawing in that niche market.

This formula was already well proven with Beast Wars.

when i was in primary school and BW came out

we kids did not see the season long arcs or subtle comments

we liked it because of the 3d animation and explosions and transformers

Exactly - Beast Wars succeeded on two levels and was able to appeal to both age groups. Kiddies loved it for the animation and transforming robot action, whilst older fans loved it for the G1/G2 references, subtle adult humour (including sexual innuendo) and complex story arcs.

plus the tv and toy people are too lazy to have this show appeal to the entire fandom,

And there we have it. They just can't be effed to put in the effort. Writing Beast Wars was a lot of effort for Larry DiTillio and Bob Forward, who admit that they knew nothing about Transformers when they were first hired to write Beast Wars - but they went and thoroughly educated themselves about Transformers history and lore... they read comics, watched cartoons and communicated with fans online. They did their homework - and it really showed well! They have my undying admiration for having done all that... I doubt Mainframe/Hasbro would've paid them any extra for doing it - it was done purely as an act of dedication and love for their fans.

the 07 movie was for adults now in 08 we [hasbro] let the kiddies have their turn to play with toys-its science guy

The 2007 movie didn't ignore kids either. Aside from the moment where the soldier gets impaled by Scorponok and occasional swearing, the movie is reasonably kid-friendly. Kids can watch this movie and marvel at the amazing special effects and see giant transforming robots beating the crap out of each other in photorealistic live action - let's face it, that stuff appeals to the kid in all of us.

There's no real reason why Animated couldn't have been written to also appeal to older audiences too other than the sheer "meh" laziness factor from the writers.

[TheDirtyDigger]

Well that all depends on how you define "more mature." Are you talking about something that is entirely focused toward older fans

While I realise that that there's almost zero chance of that happening...yes...that is my preferred preference.

I know it's a toy line but the story behind it is one of war and serious issues with characters that have defined adult persona.
Saying that also, I would be immensely satisfied if they just animated the IDW stuff.

[kup]

Why is it so bad to have a mature series?

Anyone remember the X-Men 90s cartoon? It was filled with serious themes such as discrimination, genocide, right for life, social inequality, in your face racism, etc, etc. It hardly had any stupid ass kiddy moments, even their Christmas special had an underlaying theme on social poverty.

Guess what? It was a massive hit with kids and these kids still love it as adults!!

Why can't Animated or 21st Century American Animation in general be the same and go forwards instead of backwards ?

[MV75]

I think some people are just looking in the wrong place for their expectations.

As Roller said:

animated is not BW

Now those of you who know who you are, need to say that until your mouths dry out and your vocal cords fail to realise it and move on to something else.

Whinge whinge whinge beast wars, whinge whinge is getting FAR too old. Yet I expect to see more posts brewed with this exact formula tomorrow.
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Whinge whinge whinge beast wars, whinge whinge is getting FAR too old. Yet I expect to see more posts brewed with this exact formula tomorrow.

Everyone is entitled to express their (measured) opinions on this topic - regardless of their stance. Please respect that.