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    Looks like everyone will be paying money for annual subscriptions to VPNs rather than the lame-ass version of Netflix we have here, or worst still, Foxtel.

    Been doing some research tonight since I heard about that court case and it seems for about $50 a year you can install VPN software that hides your IP and encrypts the data you download so that it can't be detected by our government or anyone else who decides to go into the torrent sites and attempt to detect which IPs are file sharing copyrighted content.

    I suspect that IInet will appeal the decision. Perhaps it's time our government stepped in addressed the real reasons why Australians download so much copyrighted content compared to other countries in the world...

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    https://www.iinet.net.au/about/media...yers-club.html

    Funny how the foxtel run news sites don't show that iinet are seeing this as a victory. The main concern was the bullying speculative invoicing practices to average people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theshape View Post
    https://www.iinet.net.au/about/media...yers-club.html

    Funny how the foxtel run news sites don't show that iinet are seeing this as a victory. The main concern was the bullying speculative invoicing practices to average people.
    Very true. Reading through the 'fine print' which is in one of the articles that news.com.au is running also explains that only those that 'seeded' the movie i.e. making it available for others to download, may receive a letter which may or may not outline compensation to the studio which you may or may not have to pay

    It goes on to say that "They can’t detect downloaders so if I downloaded it but never shared it I wouldn’t be concerned about it”. This completely contradicts the headline that they are running - "IT’S PAYBACK TIME: How much will you pay for downloads?" Either, they are misinformed about how torrenting works, or they are clearly engaging in click-bait articles with the aim to spread fear and propaganda. My guess is the later of the two which is why you can't believe everything you read
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    Maybe back to times with download limits. How will it impact other ISPs? I'd jump ship if I was an iiNet customer now.

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    Our Internet infrastructures are so screwed up that even with stuff like Netflix, Stan, etc, we don't really have the proper bandwidth and even their contents are stunted due to monopolizing deals with Foxtel.

    People pirate because it is the most effective way to enjoy movies and shows in this country. I don't want the whole Foxtel package for one show in which on top, I have to pay extra if I want some half baked HD content.

    The problem is ultimately our weak backbone politicians who are only in it for themselves, not the nation. That's why they are so easily manipulated by big business as there are plenty of fatcat backs to scratch.

    We need a revolution in this country, old school style..

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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    At least the people who spent time and money producing the movies actually got some money out of it, from the rentals.
    We all know that people would tape shows or copy Video Tapes/DVDs from other people or from rental places, but those were a fraction of the copies being made now... so at least before internet piracy, 1 or 2 copies were made from purchased copies, so more money per duplicate was going to the people who own the material. Now, there are thousands and millions of copies being made and shared from a purchased copy (and from hacked copies), meaning the owners get one sale per thousand-plus viewers instead of one sale per 2-3 viewers.



    And that level of individual copying (and limited mass copying & sale of physical copies) is something that they don't care as much about because it involves a LOT more legal purchases per copy than digital downloads do. It's a bit like shoplifting - stores know that they will never completely stop it without spending more money than they'd save, so they take measures to prevent wholesale stealing by everyone, and then just factor in the small amount of losses into their prices.

    After working with a number of people over the years who have been notorious free-loaders among their friends and relatives, I've never been a fan of free-loading. If there are options available to pay for something, I believe people should earn what they get... not get something as a handout or by actively avoiding to pay for it. That's like getting a $20 toy from a store for $1 by sticking a different barcode over, just because you think the big, nasty, soulless corporation makes too much money. But two wrongs don't make it right to justify it. We can survive without material possessions, so there is never a justification to avoid paying for something you don't need for your own survival.

    I personally spend many many hours AND dollars running this site, so when I see people using it's resources for free without contributing anything in return (like interaction, info or sightings), it bugs me... but it would bug me more if this was a website that I was earning my living from, through subscription or advertising. It's the same with these music and TV/Movie producers, in that there are thousands of people behind the scenes involved in each project that are earning a living from it (just look at the list of credits at the end of a movie), but they only have a job if people pay for it. If too many people don't pay for it, then there are a lot of people on the production side that are out of a job, and since there is no face to the consequences to digital theft, people would rather focus on an associated mega-corporation that is tied to the project.

    As a story writer, if I eventually have books published and people were downloading them without paying for it, I'd do the same as the "Dallas Buyers Club" movie producers... in that I'd be pursuing those people who are reading my books from unauthorised sources. And if the internet service providers have records of those people because they were the middle-men, it would be no different than asking the internet service providers to list who has been interacting on a paedophilia site.

    /end rant.
    that is all well and good....BUT if content was available in a timely fashion at a fair price piracy levels would plummet

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJ_Prime View Post
    Looks like everyone will be paying money for annual subscriptions to VPNs rather than the lame-ass version of Netflix we have here, or worst still, Foxtel.
    I think it's entirely unfair to criticise the selection of Netflix at launch based on the amount of pre-existing content deals in place. It's not like when it launched a streaming service in the US you could get Orange is the New Black or House of Cards - they hadn't been filmed yet!

    Basically, what I'm saying is give it time.

    Just my $0.02.

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    Kup is right - about two thirds of the reason that I pirate things is because for what you pay the level of availability is absurd combined with point blank stupid regional licensing.

    I've been rereading the Star War Expanded Universe books over the last few years. The first four books of the X-Wing series are available as individual downloads through Amazon Kindle. The next five? Only available if you purchase the full bundle of nine books.

    All nineteen books in the New Jedi Order series? You can only purchase them digitally in this region in German.

    Han Solo Trilogy? Definitely available digitally, just not in your region.
    I'm really just here for the free food and open bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kup View Post
    Our Internet infrastructures are so screwed up that even with stuff like Netflix, Stan, etc, we don't really have the proper bandwidth and even their contents are stunted due to monopolizing deals with Foxtel.
    Nailed it!

    I don't even have the bandwidth to stream youtube during peak times Every streaming service is useless to me. I'm not paying $10 per month for something I can't use / watch. The benefit of torrents is that it downloads the whole show therefore there is no buffering. I'd rather wait several hours for a show to download than sit through constant buffering

    So what are my other choices - ask a friend who has the ability to duplicate / record shows to be my 'supplier'. Basically, what we were doing 20 years ago when people would swap VHS tapes with each other. I personally don't see the difference except for the fact it's much easier for me to download them myself.

    Once Australia's internet capabilities are up-to-scratch with the rest of the developed world, then we might see some change.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The_Damned View Post
    that is all well and good....BUT if content was available in a timely fashion at a fair price piracy levels would plummet
    Then we'd have to debate on what is "fair price" since Australia is always shafted on price?

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    I don't stream as well as buffering takes the fun out of watching.

    Is streaming/video from internet sites also considered piracy? We have video downloaders that we use because of the buffering issue as well.
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