Reporting Excess Shipping on eBay

[kup]

We seem to be arguing this from such different points of view that we will never see eye to eye.

In order to agree with you I would have to set my mind that its fair for a seller to choose to charge $43 in deliberately over priced Express shipping for a tiny item the size of my pinky toe at a fraction of the weight when he also has the choice to charge $12-$15 In priority shipping and $7-$12 (or less) First class with decent packaging. Let's not get into why local US buyers happen to get free shipping.

Yes the choice does indeed exist since some succesful and long lasting US sellers do provide it regardless of Paypal fees and that's why they are in my favorite list.

We will not see eye to eye on this and I have my own experiences that form my bias and you have yours.

Thank you.

[blackie]

Yes the choice does indeed exist since some succesful and long lasting US sellers do provide it regardless of Paypal fees and that's why they are in my favorite list.

(emphasis is mine)

you do understand that what jay is talking about has nothing to do with paypal fees whatsoever dont you?

he is arguing that sellers are trying to avoid Fruad by a buyer claiming non recipt of an item that is not shipped in accordance with the paypal buyer protection scheme.....

[kup]

(emphasis is mine)

you do understand that what jay is talking about has nothing to do with paypal fees whatsoever dont you?

he is arguing that sellers are trying to avoid Fruad by a buyer claiming non recipt of an item that is not shipped in accordance with the paypal buyer protection scheme.....

Like I said, different viewpoints.

[blackie]

Like I said, different viewpoints.

no
different topic.
fraud protection and sellers avoiding extra paypal fees are two completely different topics all together.

[kup]

no
different topic.
fraud protection and sellers avoiding extra paypal fees are two completely different topics all together.

You are right, that is why I want to drop it so that it would not deviate any further from his topic.

You want to stop it now? or do you also want to continue on the $5-$8 thing? It's already stablished that we are arguing differnet things.

[jaydisc]

The problem is that in your assessment of postage rates you are ignoring the documented requirements for fraud protection. I don't think anyone is disagreeing with you about the fact that the postage costs you posted are the likely costs for sending an item of this size for each of those classes, but due to your refusal to acknowledge the fraud protection, we're left to assume that:

1. You don't think sellers should protect themselves for an item of this nature.
2. You think sellers are protected even when using the the shipping methods you posted.

Please let us know which it is, or if it's something I haven't mentioned.

Now, though we haven't gone to far from, let's mildly come back to the topic. This thread is about violations of eBay's policy regarding excessive shipping. How can you ignore PayPal's shipping requirements when discussing violations of this policy? How can you declare that it's "a scam" to use the only shipping method that offers a seller fraud protection?

[DarkHyren]

Still, even USPS Express Mail International is not that expensive.
A small gun like Verno pointed out would only cost $28.95 to ship to Australia, not $43.
You could even safely chuck it in an Express Mail International Flat Rate Envelope if you didn't want to make up a tiny box for the gun.

[kup]

1. You don't think sellers should protect themselves for an item of this nature.
2. You think sellers are protected even when using the the shipping methods you posted.

Like I said, we are arguing different things as I am not arguing neither of those points.

I do think that sellers should have the option to protect themselves for an item but that several take advantage of the Buyer protection requirements to charge absurd amounts to overseas buyers taking advantage of the situation for their own benefit at someone else's expense. Often these sellers don't honor the shipping cost they charge and send you the item at a much lesser cost than what you paid for - The gun seller seems like one of those.

I also believe that friendliness and accessibility to a wider market can benefit the seller just as much as the buyer. Several successful US sellers have proven that since they are highly regarded, in good business and with glowing feedback. Therefore it's also possible to charge a fair amount in shipping cost and still benefit regardless of Paypal buyer protection. I was recently quoted by one of these good US sellers that they will ship me a similar small gun for only $7.50

Now that this is settled and both our perspectives are now well documented, there is no need to continue derailing your own thread trying to score points.