Do we want to be associated with this?

[Burn]

Since you need Facebook registration to access that link, someone who does could probably paste here some of the actual text details to give an idea of how much of a TFs theme this event has.

Event InfoName:
Shallow Nation : Cybertron
Host:
Shallow Nation
Type:
Party - Night of Mayhem
Time and PlaceStart Time:
Saturday, April 26, 2008 at 9:00pm
End Time:
Sunday, April 27, 2008 at 3:00am
Location:
Coming Soon
City/Town:
Sydney, Australia

There's also a little image which may or may not require you to be logged in to Facebook to see.



So far 7 people have confirmed they'll be there, 9 maybes, 10 won't be attending and waiting on replies from 29 others.

As far as TF related, there's really not much about TF's.

They also have a MySpace page

http://www.myspace.com/officalshallownation

[Tiby]

I really don't get why people bad-mouth emos or any other group. While they may be different, that is what makes people interesting. I don't see why conformists should determine what is normal and what is not.

We all like TFs for varied reasons, and "emos" are just people after all. In fact, if we followed the conformist rules, I guarantee you that many of us would never have interacted with each other until we found our common thread: TFs.

[turtle boy]

this cybertron thing is also on some site called vampirefreaks??? i'm not sure if thats correct or not but yeah, its also a dance club....

[GoktimusPrime]

I really don't get why people bad-mouth emos or any other group. While they may be different, that is what makes people interesting. I don't see why conformists should determine what is normal and what is not.

We all like TFs for varied reasons, and "emos" are just people after all. In fact, if we followed the conformist rules, I guarantee you that many of us would never have interacted with each other until we found our common thread: TFs.

Because being emo is kinda like glorifying or making a sub-culture out of depression. And depression is a serious mental condition which shouldn't be glorified. People who suffer from it need to seek help, rather than revelling in it and taking pride in it (that's right, "Emo Pride").

Is it acceptable for people to belong to a group where people commit acts of self-harm such as cutting themselves? And they do it because they feel that life is so numbingly bad that they need to inflict pain onto themselves in order to remind themselves that they're still alive.

Watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGLv3IEL0VI

Although it's a mockumentary, a lot of it's funny because it's true. Emos do tend to act more emotionally rather than thinking logically, and they thrive on presenting themselves as being depressed and upset all the time. It makes them even more irrational than most other kids - and I gotta tell ya, it's bloody frustrating to work with. (-_-)

No matter how irrational most other people get, deep down most people want to do what's right and they want good things to happen for them. Emos don't. They kinda "like" their lives to suck.

And I've spoken to our school counsellor about some of the emo kids at our school and even s/he's at his/her wit's end in terms of what to do with them, because they simply refuse to be helped.

Having said all that, a person who admits to being emo is a LOT easier to work with than an emo in denial. I find that kids are easier to work with when they know that they're having an irrational emotional outburst because they have virtually no self esteem as opposed to those who are in denial of their lack of self image. Mind you, the frustrating thing is that they don't want to or believe that anything can be done to build their self esteem. They see themselves as eternally lost causes.

I find that emo culture revolves around the principle of 'my life sucks, so I'm going to have a life-long sook about it.'

Kids who are known to self-harm are always flagged for priority psychiatric assessment for obvious reasons.

[Tiby]

Thanks Gok. I agree that depression is dangerous, but it is good that it is at least recognised by many of them.

I think it is very dangerous to see rationality and logic as right, and emotion, however expressed, as wrong. I see these people as simply looking for attention in a new way. Unfortunately our society thrives on extremes and where attention is only given to those who stand out, this makes sense.

Of course, people need to want to be helped before they can be helped, but further ostracising them and persecuting them is not justified. Most of these people are teens or young adults, who are already looking for identity in a world that pushes conformity, consumption and excess, and they have found a group that fits them.

I'd be interested to see how many "grow out of it" so to speak, or continue to stay this way their whole lives.

I think if current counselling/teaching etc systems are failing to deal with this new form of expression, then the systems need to develop and learn that this is real.

It reminds me of the baby-boomers and Gen X constantly criticising Gen Y for their "work ethic", failing to recognise they are a product of the generations that have come before, and failing to validate Gen Y's own way of doing things.

If counsellors etc can tap into the groups, that will make it easier to help them, because the groups are a magnet for kids who feel that their life sucks, and the groups recognise and acknowledge depression. This acknowledgement is more than what the baby-boomers and half of Gen X have been able to manage.

[roller]

i agree with Gok

Star treks Mr Spock was right

all hail Mr Spock

Live long and prosper

[kup]

Let's not mix Emos with Goths. They are not the same thing although to the untrained eye they look similar.

Emos as Gok said is a communal glorification of depression. They like getting together with others who feel the same way because naturally, missery likes company. These people refuse to better themselves and just dwell on how everything sucks.

Goths on the other hand are something entirely different. I will quote from wikipedia as my explanation could be a bit clumsy:

The goth subculture has associated tastes in music, aesthetics, and fashion, whether or not all individuals who share those tastes are in fact members of the goth subculture. Gothic music encompasses a number of different styles. Common to all is a tendency towards a lugubrious, mystical sound and outlook. Styles of dress within the subculture range from deathrock, punk, androgynous, medieval, some Renaissance and Victorian style clothes, or combinations of the above, most often with black attire, makeup and hair.

The awful thing is that in recent times the everyday community has begun to mix Goths and Emos into the same subculture when they are entirely different things.

I can respect a Goth but I can't a self destructive Emo.