All Hail Megatron Issues 1 to 6 (Vol 1)

[GoktimusPrime]

Its pathetic that people are still saying how much they don't like it, but they are always the first to buy and review or opinionate on it.

How else are we to know what the comics is like unless we buy it and read it? Unlike Japan, we don't have places like libraries, cafés, restaurants etc. where we can borrow and read comic books for free - so if you're interested in reading the comic you can either:
1/ Wait for someone else to buy it and read it yourself, then if you do like it, hope that it's not sold out otherwise wait for the TPB.
2/ Buy it, read it and form an opinion.

I don't think anyone here is collecting this series expecting to dislike it. I know I bought this series hoping to enjoy it, but finding myself somewhat disappointed. Now that I've started I feel obliged to finish it - read it all the way through and give the story the benefit of the doubt that once I've finished reading it the whole series that it will make sense and be more enjoyable. Who knows, the story might redeem itself in the end... I for one am reserving judgement about this series one way or the other until I finish reading the whole thing.

Thats the beauty of the TF universe, you can choose what you want to accept as canon because there are so many different TF universe's.

Unless official sources specifically state that it is within the same canon, which is what IDW and Shane McCarthy have said about this series on this very board.

I believe some of you are being a little harsh on AHM. Its like you're expecting a 120 page comic book series to have the depth of Tolkien's Middle Earth and the characterisation / social analysis of Harper Lee's To Kill a Mocking Bird.

Or maybe expecting it to be like other TF comic series that have come before... like G1.

This is one of the times where I can say the MAJORITY OF THE FANS taste in comics blows chunks.

+1 QFT. And I don't agree that a comic has to be "watered down" in order to succeed like this. A lot of Furmans' other series within IDW feature a lot of lesser known characters (like Skram!) yet I wouldn't say that those comics are worse than AHM (I prefer them). I don't know what the sales for those are like compared to AHM though.

AHM will win big bonus points with me though if they continue to make an attempt to make further character development with Thundercracker, something no TF writer has ever done before.

[Hereticpoo]

All good points Gok.

I understand what you're saying about buying the comic to find out if you like it. But we're six issues in. Consider the horse flogged. Its not going to get up now.

Am I the only one on this board that actually likes AHM? I find this thread embarrasing for OTCA because its so negative. Its like Macrossworld!

And the 'its not as good as G1' is so tedious. Nothing is or ever will be as good as G1 because for most of us fans it is an emotionally valuable aspect of all our lives. We are all comparing what we thought was good when we were 8 to what is available now. Our brains have changed (hopefully ). The relativity doesn't match.

Yes official sources say its in the same canon as tion's, official sources also say we went to the moon.

"Roller pass me those gloves"

"Why?"

"I'm going start pushing this sh...stuff...uphill"

How else are we to know what the comics is like unless we buy it and read it? Unlike Japan, we don't have places like libraries, cafés, restaurants etc. where we can borrow and read comic books for free - so if you're interested in reading the comic you can either:
1/ Wait for someone else to buy it and read it yourself, then if you do like it, hope that it's not sold out otherwise wait for the TPB.
2/ Buy it, read it and form an opinion.

I don't think anyone here is collecting this series expecting to dislike it. I know I bought this series hoping to enjoy it, but finding myself somewhat disappointed. Now that I've started I feel obliged to finish it - read it all the way through and give the story the benefit of the doubt that once I've finished reading it the whole series that it will make sense and be more enjoyable. Who knows, the story might redeem itself in the end... I for one am reserving judgement about this series one way or the other until I finish reading the whole thing.


Unless official sources specifically state that it is within the same canon, which is what IDW and Shane McCarthy have said about this series on this very board.


Or maybe expecting it to be like other TF comic series that have come before... like G1.


+1 QFT. And I don't agree that a comic has to be "watered down" in order to succeed like this. A lot of Furmans' other series within IDW feature a lot of lesser known characters (like Skram!) yet I wouldn't say that those comics are worse than AHM (I prefer them). I don't know what the sales for those are like compared to AHM though.

AHM will win big bonus points with me though if they continue to make an attempt to make further character development with Thundercracker, something no TF writer has ever done before.

[i_amtrunks]

I bought the 3rd issue onwards hoping for the story to kick in, and the promised improvement that McCarthy and Tipton assured us that would happen. Now I'm buying them for three reasons:
- I started this series and thus want to finish it, to see if it does get better
- To support IDW so they continue to survive (I like having TF comics to buy), and partially because of all the other great TF comics they have out
- For the art, which for the most part has been great

That being said I still do not hate AHM, I just do not think it is anywhere near as good as it was hyped to be, nor is it as good as any of the other IDW Titles (bar Megatron Origins. ) have been/are.

[Paulbot]

I think that there is a fair mix of people liking and disliking the series and no outright "this is so bad I must buy the next issue so that I can complain about it on the Internet"

I like the robot art, the colouring is great, the covers have been excellent, the story concept is fine.

My only real issue is that it is sold as the next IDW story but ignores the IDW stories that went before it, but if I view it as an alternate reality/future type story then no real dramas.

[Sky Shadow]

I can understand the critical eye G1 comic fans have for the series, but here's a news flash THE MAJORITY OF TF FANS ARE CASUAL FANS and the only continuity that really stands out to them is the G1 Cartoon.

This isn't true. For the majority of casual Transformers fans, the main continuity that stands out is not going to be the G1 Cartoon. The G1 cartoon ended twenty years ago. The majority of today's 'casual' Transformers fans would be too young to remember the G1 cartoon and would have grown up on Beast Wars or the 2007 film or Transformers Animated (all of which are better than All Hail Megatron or the G1 cartoon.)

Its pathetic that people are still saying how much they don't like it, but they are always the first to buy and review or opinionate on it.

Because unlike these casual fans of whom you speak, we've been buying Transformers comics for over two decades and we're not going to stop just because they've dipped in quality. What we are going to do is buy and read the issues and criticise everything that's wrong in the hope it will be improved so we can voice our positive opinions when things get better. And as consumers, that's our right. We do the same thing whenever we buy a toy that's flawed. Also, notice that I don't write anything but praise about... say... the Transformers Animated cartoon. That's because I think it's great. The problem with All Hail Megatron is that it's not.

And the 'its not as good as G1' is so tedious. Nothing is or ever will be as good as G1 because for most of us fans it is an emotionally valuable aspect of all our lives.

The problem isn't that All Hail Megatron is not as good as G1, the problem is that it is G1. It's a comic of antiquated Decepticons taking New York - the same thing Galvatron and the Pretender Monsters managed to do in a few pages in a comic from eighteen years ago. And unfortunately, after six whole issues, the characters from AHM haven't managed to do much of anything else.

We are all comparing what we thought was good when we were 8 to what is available now.

No, compared to Beast Wars; Transformers Animated; Masterforce; the G1 comic; compared to Transformers at any age, All Hail Megatron is flawed. But it's getting better and I've acknowleged that. I always say that I like everything that's happening on Cybertron (except Drift). And, hopefully, by issue #12 the comic will be completely praiseworthy.

[Hereticpoo]

Hnn, I didn't really want to reply to this one. But I need to....

This isn't true. For the majority of casual Transformers fans, the main continuity that stands out is not going to be the G1 Cartoon. The G1 cartoon ended twenty years ago. The majority of today's 'casual' Transformers fans would be too young to remember the G1 cartoon and would have grown up on Beast Wars or the 2007 film or Transformers Animated (all of which are better than All Hail Megatron or the G1 cartoon.)

My bad I should have said adult fans. Its what I meant.

Because unlike these casual fans of whom you speak, we've been buying Transformers comics for over two decades and we're not going to stop just because they've dipped in quality.

Lol thats why they don't bother appeasing you. You'll still buy it!

The problem isn't that All Hail Megatron is not as good as G1, the problem is that it is G1. It's a comic of antiquated Decepticons taking New York - the same thing Galvatron and the Pretender Monsters managed to do in a few pages in a comic from eighteen years ago. And unfortunately, after six whole issues, the characters from AHM haven't managed to do much of anything else.

Haha now the problem is because of G1. Do you realise how ironic that statement is coming from an adult TF fan?

Again, most adult fans never read those particular few pages. What should the character's be doing? The story's focus is Megatron. The point of the story is the the emptiness of the decepticon cause. The Autobots aren't able to do anything except reel in shock, and Megatron is consolodating and trying to give his existenece meaning. Wow, thats totally boring....

No, compared to Beast Wars; Transformers Animated; Masterforce; the G1 comic; compared to Transformers at any age, All Hail Megatron is flawed. But it's getting better and I've acknowleged that. I always say that I like everything that's happening on Cybertron (except Drift). And, hopefully, by issue #12 the comic will be completely praiseworthy.

Every Transformers story is flawed. But to say that AHM is more flawed than all of the above is a big call, even arrogant.

[FFN]

I want my gosh-darn* proper resolution to Furman's storyline. I did not appreciate this being shoved into continuity, which I've made abundantly clear here and across other boards.

*was originally something else.

Yeah what would the majority know. My advise to all the unique, well read, Transformers connoisseurs would be to stop reading AHM, and leave all the mainstream morons who like it to thier undeveloped trash mags.

Its pathetic that people are still saying how much they don't like it, but they are always the first to buy and review or opinionate on it.

I'm going to sit down and enjoy this comic with the rest of the drooling hoards, have fun blogging about something you hate but still purchase

Hey, I've never bought a single issue of AHM. Never will. I suspect a friend at a comic store will give me a copy one day as a practical joke.

He gave me the DK's Transformers: The Ultimate Guide as a practical joke Christmas present, knowing how much I disliked it.

[Hereticpoo]

haha fair enough! At least you know what you want

I want my gosh-darn* proper resolution to Furman's storyline. I did not appreciate this being shoved into continuity, which I've made abundantly clear here and across other boards.

*was originally something else.

[Sky Shadow]

Haha now the problem is because of G1. Do you realise how ironic that statement is coming from an adult TF fan?

That isn't irony. Adult fans are allowed to think Transformers should have progressed beyond what it was nearly two decades ago. Particularly when All Hail Megatron's idea of G1 doesn't progress beyond 1986.

The story's focus is Megatron. The point of the story is the the emptiness of the decepticon cause. The Autobots aren't able to do anything except reel in shock, and Megatron is consolodating and trying to give his existenece meaning. Wow, thats totally boring....

That's all good and well to claim that's what's in the comic. But that's not what's there on paper in the first six issues, even if that's what the writer intended. As I said in this thread way back in August last year, if "this was going to be a comic about an Earth ruled by the Decepticons with Megatron as a dictator. That would have been a great comic." Maybe the next few issues will deal with that and your supposed point of the story. And as I said, that would be great. But it hasn't done it yet.

Every Transformers story is flawed. But to say that AHM is more flawed than all of the above is a big call, even arrogant.

Some texts are empirically better than others, I don't care if it's arrogant, but to say Beast Wars isn't better than All Hail Megatron would be like saying Hamlet isn't better than a week's episodes of Neighbours. This is the review section of the forum. That's what we do... review. What I find ridiculous about this is that nobody would have a problem if we said Classics Grimlock is better than Animated Grimlock or vice versa. How is it any different to say X comic book is worse than Y comic/TV show?

[Hereticpoo]

That isn't irony. Adult fans are allowed to think Transformers should have progressed beyond what it was nearly two decades ago. Particularly when All Hail Megatron's idea of G1 doesn't progress beyond 1986.



That's all good and well to claim that's what's in the comic. But that's not what's there on paper in the first six issues, even if that's what the writer intended. As I said in this thread way back in August last year, if "this was going to be a comic about an Earth ruled by the Decepticons with Megatron as a dictator. That would have been a great comic." Maybe the next few issues will deal with that and your supposed point of the story. And as I said, that would be great. But it hasn't done it yet.



Some texts are empirically better than others, I don't care if it's arrogant, but to say Beast Wars isn't better than All Hail Megatron would be like saying Hamlet isn't better than a week's episodes of Neighbours. This is the review section of the forum. That's what we do... review. What I find ridiculous about this is that nobody would have a problem if we said Classics Grimlock is better than Animated Grimlock or vice versa. How is it any different to say X comic book is worse than Y comic/TV show?

You're right this is the review section. (Apologies to the mods, other users)

I totally disagree with you and I think you're wrong in so many ways. You totally disagree with me and think I'm wrong. We could go in circles.

Its been a fun arg....discussion.