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    Ebay have been cracking down on KO's for the last couple of years, but these are mostly ones that appear as MOSC and MISB as the bootleggers have gone to the extent of replicating the packaging as well as the figures (even down to the Hasbro logo and copyright).

    Loose KO's appearing on Ebay are harder to identify as most out-of-the-package toys are hard to spot as there are fewer tell signs that it is fake.
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    Crap. I'd just come across a bargain of a deal, with only a one dollar bid on it
    http://cgi.ebay.com/G1-Japanese-tran...item45f0bd1ef5

    I thought it was legitimate, as he had other Takara JP products to sell.
    But if there are lots of heads popping up..... probably not worth taking the chance

    I'll have to cancel my bid
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scrapper View Post
    I agree scalpers and ko makers are just as bad as each other. But I thought there was meant to be some law getting passed to stop this from continuing to be sold on ebay, or was that some rumor I heard?
    There's a new buyer protection program on ebay now. Provided you send the item back with a tracking number, you'll have your full price plus shipping repaid WITHOUT having to provide documentation "proving" its a KO (which was ridiculous to begin with, as you could just fax in something with a letterhead if so inclined, because there'd be no way to send it in for grading and get it back before the paypal claim dispute time expired)
    On the lookout for MISB Headmaster Highbrow, Takara or Hasbro. I'm sure I could make you a sweet deal!

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    Isn't that only ebay US?

    On the topic of non legit HM heads on ebay, I've noticed a heap of japanese "customs" as well. Not quite KO's, but the sellers I've seen so far haven't tried passing them off as originals.

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    To anyone who owns the originals and/or the KO's would it be possible to take some close up photo's so I could compare the two?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eruntalon View Post
    To anyone who owns the originals and/or the KO's would it be possible to take some close up photo's so I could compare the two?
    Most of the G1 KO are distinguishable. The plastic used on for the toys won't be as good as those "made in Japan".

    If the toy plastic quality is <closer to/higher than> fansproject (made in China though), it would be real. If the quality is like today's TFs, then it might be KO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langzixinxin View Post
    ...If the quality is like today's TFs, then it might be KO.
    So basically the last part of your last sentence means that there is no way of accurately determining real from KO as KO can now be the same quality as real? Were there any colour differences between real and KO, for example I draw your attention to here: http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/1987/rodney.html to the Lodoni headmaster. All sources indicate that the plastics used are coloured yellow for the limbs and blue for the body, but I have seen what I expect to be the real thing with yellow limbs and a more of a purple body.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eruntalon View Post
    So basically the last part of your last sentence means that there is no way of accurately determining real from KO as KO can now be the same quality as real? Were there any colour differences between real and KO, for example I draw your attention to here: http://www.cobraislandtoys.com/tf/1987/rodney.html to the Lodoni headmaster. All sources indicate that the plastics used are coloured yellow for the limbs and blue for the body, but I have seen what I expect to be the real thing with yellow limbs and a more of a purple body.
    No, what I mean is it should be very easy to distinguish. The G1 transformers mostly were made in Japan. After G1, production country varied from Korea, Thailand, China, etc. Those "Made in Japan"s are definitely superior in quality.Today's KO, even its quality reaches the level of today's legit toys, still lower than G1 "made in Japan"s. So you should be able to identify them easily.

    But what is difficult is, if someone had a vintage with some missing parts and he/she use KO parts to make it "complete".

    As for the headmaster one, is it made in China? Cos I never heard that KO boss in China ever made any headmasters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langzixinxin View Post
    ...As for the headmaster one, is it made in China? Cos I never heard that KO boss in China ever made any headmasters.
    I don't know who is manufacturing them (headmaster warriors) as KO's, or what country of origin the KO's would come from specifically. I'm trying to determine how difficult it would be on the current market to duplicate the original set of six right down to the date stamps and the original plastic quality, the same fine mold indentations such as tiny circles and lines and the metal rivets in the joints.

    Again I ask anyone here who has these headmaster warriors in their possession if they would kindly take some photographs of these items under the right lighting conditions. I have seen some advertised on the internet claiming that they are original but I'm unsure of the colours and would like some clarifications.

    The Lodoni pictured here seems to be either blue or purple but in this source at Transformer Toys UK it is clearly a purple colour.

    Another example, at this source for the headmaster warrior Kirk/Kaku shows his limbs as a vibrant marone-red, but I have seen others whose limbs are more like the colour of Loafer's limbs found here which are more of a brighter red going-on-purple.
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    Saw the 10-pack KO set of JP Headmasters (the 6 individual ones, plus the 2 Maximus heads and the 2 Zarak heads), and they look real.
    I was told that they don't have the copyright stamps on them, as the only way to tell the real from the fake.
    I took some photos, and will post them later when I get the chance.

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