Page 4 of 4 FirstFirst ... 234
Results 31 to 39 of 39

Thread: Transformers Generation 1 Soundtrack

  1. #31
    bowspearer Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1 View Post
    Personally, I can't see a problem with releasing it in other mediums, or how it would affect their brand. All it does is limit who will buy it, so I guess I just have to miss out on it
    Depends on what kind of am image you're going for as a company. If these guys are trying to paint themselves as a brand for audiophiles, then from a brand image perspective, releasing stuff on CD unless it's a digital source to begin with, makes about as much sense as Bentley releasing a $20,000 sedan.

  2. #32
    Join Date
    23rd Sep 2010
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    9,352

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bowspearer View Post
    Possibly because the optimum sound quality of vynil is superior to that of CDs.
    that isn't really the case. While your discussion about the effects of sampling are correct factually, ie, there must be some loss due to the digital stepping, this article below gives a pretty good description of the physical mechanisms of the record and the CD.

    https://www.vox.com/2014/4/19/562605...etter-than-cds

    The article contains this YouTube video that goes into it in even greater depth.

    https://youtu.be/v0bMI2JB-vY

    The warm sound heard on a record is a result of some of the 'loss in signal/fidelity' as a result of the physical mechanism of the medium. It's still a personal preference as to which someone would prefer to listen to, but CD's pressed from a lossless recording are a better representation of the original sound.

    Also consider that in re-mastering this music it would have been converted to a digital recording, becoming sampled. Pressing this sampled recording onto a Vinyl instead of a CD isn't going to restore the data lost by sampling

    Quote Originally Posted by Magnus View Post
    That's not a reason to not make CDs, even a limited number. While audiophiles may like vinyl, it's very much a niche product. Hasbro could be missing out on reaching a wider audience because far more people have CD players than turntables.

    La La Land records have done limited pressings of CD scores - only a few thousand units in some cases. Surely they'd be down with a limited release of this score.
    La La Land make some great stuff!!
    I've purchased the vinyls to frame, not listen to. I have a mate who has an old DJ deck he said I could borrow to rip the record, but it's in storage at the moment and I have no idea when I'll have that opportunity. I certainly don't have the real estate in my apartment to keep a record player, so regardless of how cheap one might be, I'm not about to clutter up our space even more by buying one of those.

    If they produced a run of the Album as a CD I'd buy it in a blink.
    My Fan interview with Big Trev

    my original collection from when I was more impressionable.
    My Current Collection Pics (Changing on occasion)

  3. #33
    bowspearer Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by UltraMarginal View Post
    that isn't really the case. While your discussion about the effects of sampling are correct factually, ie, there must be some loss due to the digital stepping, this article below gives a pretty good description of the physical mechanisms of the record and the CD.
    While your argument did have validity and still does on the lower end of the turntable market, the article fails to take into account the recent advent of the laser turntable.

    The one flaw noted with laser turntables is that they pick up everything, which makes listening to records with even the slightest scratch an issue and where there's a fair amount of damage, a nightmare.

    However if a minty fresh LP were to be played without blemishes, then alot of the technical limitations on stylus based turntables completely vanish, meaning that you could press the high notes that normally cause issues with styluses if you were pressing an LP for a laser turntable. Likewise if things went down this path, then a justification could be made for an album being on 2 LPs rather than the standard one for example.

    Of course the downside here is that laser turntables aren't widespread as it stands - being hand made for the most part and costing a hefty $6,000 USD minimum last I checked.

    However it does point to an interesting future once laser turntables become widespread in terms of what is possible and how pressing vinyls is approached in the future.

    Quote Originally Posted by UltraMarginal View Post
    The warm sound heard on a record is a result of some of the 'loss in signal/fidelity' as a result of the physical mechanism of the medium. It's still a personal preference as to which someone would prefer to listen to, but CD's pressed from a lossless recording are a better representation of the original sound.

    Also consider that in re-mastering this music it would have been converted to a digital recording, becoming sampled. Pressing this sampled recording onto a Vinyl instead of a CD isn't going to restore the data lost by sampling
    This is why I said:

    However it is an undisputed fact that when being transferred from an optimal analog source, that an optimal digital transfer's audio quality is significantly inferior to that of an optimal analog transfer's audio quality.
    The key word there being "optimal" on both ends of the transfer. As you've rightly pointed out, once you operate from a quantised sources, there's no way to get back the lost information.

  4. #34
    Join Date
    24th May 2007
    Location
    Brisbane
    Posts
    38,239

    Default

    Back on topic.


    The re-press has been officially announced with the following details....


    Release date of July 6th, Midday (US time) for US$25 at the Enjoy The Records website.
    Three types - Starscream, Optimus, Megatron... with 750 of each being produced.

  5. #35
    Join Date
    19th May 2010
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    890

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by bowspearer View Post
    Depends on how they're approaching this. It could very well be that the intention is to produce the highest fidelity production of this as something which is targeted to audiophiles. If that's the case, then they could argue that being true to the philosophy to this launch by keeping it vinyl only.

    There are also a couple of counter-arguments against them missing out by not releasing it on CD.

    Firstly, if this were even 5 years ago when vinyl was only just starting to make a comeback and turntables were in short supply on the market, you'd have a valid argument about limited playability, however these days, turntables have become quite affordable. In fact these days they're the price of a blu-ray player at the bottom end of the market, meaning that there simply aren't the reasons to not own a turntable that there were even 5 years ago.

    Secondly, are their sales even hurting if you discount this argument? Clearly not. This is now on it's third repressing and you even have people like Ultra Marginal buying this when they don't even own a turntable.

    Thirdly, I'd question what the original source for those CD releases was. If it was a digital source then there would literally be no difference between the optimum quality of a vinyl release and a CD release due to quantisation errors existing in both cases. Alternately, maybe the CD releases simply weren't bringing in enough revenue to justify them, or the company felt they hurt its image. That's something that only they can answer.

    In short, while people with less discerning ears might want a CD version and perceive no difference between the audio quality of vinyl and CD (and hey, more power to them), they're clearly a negligible factor in the sales performance of this release.
    At the risk of going back off-topic, the idea of creating a 'premium' product is the only reason I can think of for Hasbro not chasing greater volume by commissioning a run of CDs. The demand is clearly there, since the first 2000 units sold out and another run of 2250 is on its way, and again, far more people would have CD players than vinyl record players.

    Enjoy the Ride say on their website that they specialise in vinyl re-releases 'of all genres'; Hasbro would have known that when they were looking for a record label to press the soundtrack for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by UltraMarginal View Post
    La La Land make some great stuff!!
    I've purchased the vinyls to frame, not listen to. I have a mate who has an old DJ deck he said I could borrow to rip the record, but it's in storage at the moment and I have no idea when I'll have that opportunity. I certainly don't have the real estate in my apartment to keep a record player, so regardless of how cheap one might be, I'm not about to clutter up our space even more by buying one of those.

    If they produced a run of the Album as a CD I'd buy it in a blink.
    I must admit, I'd have a hard time saying no if La La Land Records did a run. It's not as if they haven't done animated features before, seeing as they did the soundtracks for several Batman features, including the 1990s animated series, and He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. Given the way we've seen the vinyl selling, they could easily do a 5000 unit run and they wouldn't have to worry about large numbers of unsold stock.

  6. #36
    bowspearer Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Magnus View Post
    At the risk of going back off-topic, the idea of creating a 'premium' product is the only reason I can think of for Hasbro not chasing greater volume by commissioning a run of CDs. The demand is clearly there, since the first 2000 units sold out and another run of 2250 is on its way, and again, far more people would have CD players than vinyl record players.

    Enjoy the Ride say on their website that they specialise in vinyl re-releases 'of all genres'; Hasbro would have known that when they were looking for a record label to press the soundtrack for them.
    I think there's more to it than just that. I imagine that Hasbro see the soundtrack as a very niche product. If we consider that fans make up 20-30% of their total market and that the G1 Cartoon and 1986 movie are more of a cult following based item compared to say, the live action movies, it's quite possible that Hasbro and Enjoy the Toons think that there isn't enough demand to support a mainstream release. Considering that Sony are a party in the production, the fact that this isn't being released under sony's main label, also suggests this is the case.

    As such, it could be that Hasbro are deliberately creating scarcity to drive demand, ensuring that it's a success by gaming the market.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magnus View Post
    I must admit, I'd have a hard time saying no if La La Land Records did a run. It's not as if they haven't done animated features before, seeing as they did the soundtracks for several Batman features, including the 1990s animated series, and He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. Given the way we've seen the vinyl selling, they could easily do a 5000 unit run and they wouldn't have to worry about large numbers of unsold stock.
    Two problems I see here. The first is that you'd automatically be dumping 3 times the amount of stock on the market and in doing so, destroying the sense of scarcity which then lowers demand, harming the success of the release. The other thing is, given that the company now pushes the "premuim audiophile vinyl" angle as a brand image, there's a change that this could be seen as a harmful PR move to the company.

  7. #37
    Join Date
    23rd Sep 2010
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    9,352

    Default

    I'm pretty sure Varese Sarabande is a Sony Label, I actually originally expected this to come out through them.
    My Fan interview with Big Trev

    my original collection from when I was more impressionable.
    My Current Collection Pics (Changing on occasion)

  8. #38
    Join Date
    23rd Sep 2010
    Location
    Sydney
    Posts
    9,352

    Default

    So it looks like it's not such an exclusive repressing:

    FYE are selling 1000

    Thinkgeek have an unspecified number

    The light in the attic website is a piece of hot garbage that won't display on my work computer but it doesn't matter, they are just a distributer selling through other outlets.

    Enjoy the Ride with a total of 2250.

    Even if Thinkgeek and light in the attic shared another 1000 copies between them that's over 4000 copies, plus the original 1500.

    it's hardly an exclusive now, i'd wager that a 1000 pressing CD release would sell out in seconds if not minutes.


    Maybe they're just waiting, milking the most they can out of this Vinyl version first.
    My Fan interview with Big Trev

    my original collection from when I was more impressionable.
    My Current Collection Pics (Changing on occasion)

  9. #39
    bowspearer Guest

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by UltraMarginal View Post
    I'm pretty sure Varese Sarabande is a Sony Label, I actually originally expected this to come out through them.
    I meant their main label, rather than a more obscure label that the average person wouldn't associate with them.

    Quote Originally Posted by UltraMarginal View Post
    Maybe they're just waiting, milking the most they can out of this Vinyl version first.
    You have to hand it to them - they've made it collectible with multiple versions and even then, no two versions are the same, something they make a point of. Even then they've marketed this through a niche label where releasing this on a CD could be seen as harming a carefully cultivated image.

    In some ways, you have to marvel at that kind of diabolical marketing.

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •