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Old 10th November 2018, 03:07 AM
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Since I own horses, I'll weigh in for my own thoughts on this one.

Horses are living breathing animals, true. And you form a special bond with them which is unlike any other, which I didn't understand until I owned some.

At the end of the day, the fact is though that horses are bred for this sort of thing, right or wrong. Horses have been, for a VERY VERY long time now, tamed and bred and crossbred by humans for modes of transport, heavy lifting, and recreational use from simple trail rides to horse racing. Accidents can happen at any time, its just these ones are front and center, in the limelight, for everyone to see. You could be having a simple trail ride, and your horse could get spooked by a rabbit darting out in front of it, and a similar injury could happen. Is there going to be a massive uproar against riding horses altogether as a result?

Similarly, jockeys who ride these powerful animals always ride knowing that there is an incredible risk on their lives to do so. They wear next to nothing (oweing to weight to get the maximum performance out of a horse) and the slightest nudge or bump or trip could send them off to hospital with major injuries or worse.

Other animals are similarly bred; dogs for example are bred for racing (greyhounds), working (kelpies, sheepdogs), aghility, showing.... the list goes on.

If you own an animal, then you do everything you can for that animal if you're a responsible animal owner, and the reaction of the poor horses owner showed they truly did care. But horse injuries when they happen are VERY hard to recover from, and the speeds these animals do often makes them even worse. A horse relies on its legs and euthanasing a horse is a tough decision, but if a horse cannot stand or walk properly they are likely to become depressed, miserable and/or injure itself even worse (as they sometimes lay down to sleep or roll)

I've seen a lot of horses up close and in action and when they are racing, jumping, etc you can SEE they are truly enjoying it, and why not, going fast is FUN for both horse and rider most of the time. Plus years of breeding and genetics has them 'built' this way. To put them sitting in a paddock eating grass can sometimes actually depress a horse more because they aren't doing what they instinctively want to do, which is RUN, and run FAST.

Yes there will always be those who treat horses, or any animals, poorly. Yes, accidents will happen. But also remember that for some jockeys, trainers and horses, this is what they love to do and they do it right and for the right reasons, not greed or cruelty.

For what its worth, we go to watch the horses run at these events, and accidents are very few and far between for both horse and rider. We place $1 each way bets only purely for a bit of fun. We've also been to eventing (which is a combination of Dressage, Cross Country and Showjumping), showjumping only events, trots, and injuries are very rare.

As long as we have animals as companions, people are going to want to show them off, and compete in a whole range of sports, and we have been breeding animals and 'building' them specifically for roles that suit humans being at the top of the food chain. There will always be a dark seedy underside (such is human nature) and it doesn't make it right, and when accidents happen at very public events it brings it into everyone's minds as really bad, however there for all the terrible things that happen there are plenty of positives; horses loving what they are bred for, trainers enjoying seeing these animals run, jockeys feeling the wind in their hair.
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Old 10th November 2018, 05:22 PM
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10 Peach and 10 Boss?


I can understand network 10 wanting to follow the example of 7 and 9 by having names to their secondary channels, but Peach and Boss?


And another Food Network? As if the fattest country on the planet needs one dedicated food channel... but two? (network 7 are starting a food channel on December 1st, and SBS already have one)


Being one who doesn't have pay TV, and doesn't see the need for it... having duplicate or low-demand(?) channels is something that is hard to understand, when I could happily have a dedicated movie, cartoon or sports channel on free-to-air.
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Old 10th November 2018, 10:06 PM
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Enlighten us brother Autocon.
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Old 12th November 2018, 08:35 AM
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10 Peach and 10 Boss?


I can understand network 10 wanting to follow the example of 7 and 9 by having names to their secondary channels, but Peach and Boss?


And another Food Network? As if the fattest country on the planet needs one dedicated food channel... but two? (network 7 are starting a food channel on December 1st, and SBS already have one)


Being one who doesn't have pay TV, and doesn't see the need for it... having duplicate or low-demand(?) channels is something that is hard to understand, when I could happily have a dedicated movie, cartoon or sports channel on free-to-air.
Yeah what the hell was with this?? I don't get Channel 10's rebranding unless this was something ordered by their new American Overlords (CBS wasn't it? I'm not gonna bother looking it up)
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Old 12th November 2018, 08:38 AM
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Absolutely! I love healthy discussion
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Old 12th November 2018, 08:43 AM
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Just come back from a VERY busy weekend with my 2 yo son.

First was the Credit Union Christmas Pageant in RAdelaide; found a nice shady spot to stay out of the hot sun. Only issue which is ALWAYS the way is that Santa Claus (which ALL the kiddies want to see) is stuck at the very end, by which stage all the waiting kids have lost attention and focus and started getting cranky.

Sunday we went to an agricultural show with my son and his shetland pony. He's been riding in the 'tiny tots' shows. Entered 9 events: Best Led Rider and Pony combo (1st), Best Walked Pony (4th, mainly my fault, shoulda been more), Shortest Pony (1st), Fattest Pony (2nd, though he has been on a diet after getting colic recently), Cutest Pony (1st), Longest Tail (3rd, we were robbed of this one), Happiest Combination (gave everyone 1st, no biggie), Most Colourful Pony (3rd, shoulda been at LEAST second but have a feeling the judges were trying to share the ribbons around), and Fancy Dress (1st)

The missus has been an excellent rider and always been into horses (which is why I'm into them now) and our son DEFINITELY has her genetics in that department, he's a natural!
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Old 12th November 2018, 11:52 AM
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10 Peach and 10 Boss?


I can understand network 10 wanting to follow the example of 7 and 9 by having names to their secondary channels, but Peach and Boss?


And another Food Network? As if the fattest country on the planet needs one dedicated food channel... but two? (network 7 are starting a food channel on December 1st, and SBS already have one)


Being one who doesn't have pay TV, and doesn't see the need for it... having duplicate or low-demand(?) channels is something that is hard to understand, when I could happily have a dedicated movie, cartoon or sports channel on free-to-air.
I am positive it's decreed by their new CBS overlords. it feels much more American with the logo change and label advertising.


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Just come back from a VERY busy weekend with my 2 yo son.

First was the Credit Union Christmas Pageant in RAdelaide; found a nice shady spot to stay out of the hot sun. Only issue which is ALWAYS the way is that Santa Claus (which ALL the kiddies want to see) is stuck at the very end, by which stage all the waiting kids have lost attention and focus and started getting cranky.

Sunday we went to an agricultural show with my son and his shetland pony. He's been riding in the 'tiny tots' shows. Entered 9 events: Best Led Rider and Pony combo (1st), Best Walked Pony (4th, mainly my fault, shoulda been more), Shortest Pony (1st), Fattest Pony (2nd, though he has been on a diet after getting colic recently), Cutest Pony (1st), Longest Tail (3rd, we were robbed of this one), Happiest Combination (gave everyone 1st, no biggie), Most Colourful Pony (3rd, shoulda been at LEAST second but have a feeling the judges were trying to share the ribbons around), and Fancy Dress (1st)

The missus has been an excellent rider and always been into horses (which is why I'm into them now) and our son DEFINITELY has her genetics in that department, he's a natural!
I don't usually tell people how to go about their business, but I feel like your post belongs in a different thread.

and congratulations to your son. That sounds like a massive weekend out!
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Old 12th November 2018, 01:43 PM
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I don't usually tell people how to go about their business, but I feel like your post belongs in a different thread.
and congratulations to your son. That sounds like a massive weekend out!
Fair call mate sorry didn't realise there was another thread for such things I'll remember to post there in the future
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Old 12th November 2018, 02:27 PM
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10 Peach and 10 Boss?


I can understand network 10 wanting to follow the example of 7 and 9 by having names to their secondary channels, but Peach and Boss?
Peaches are great. They're a good size. Fits in the hands well. Firm yet yields to the touch. Or do you prefer 10 Coconut or 10 Watermelon.
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Old 12th November 2018, 02:46 PM
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Peaches are great. They're a good size. Fits in the hands well. Firm yet yields to the touch. Or do you prefer 10 Coconut or 10 Watermelon.
I'd be happy with a channel which showed peaches and melons
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