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Old 21st April 2017, 06:53 PM
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Just VPN around the blockage... good luck blocking the internet
You may not think it's possible but it wouldnt be the first time our government blocked websites because a big company told them to. If enough people use VPNs and web proxies to get around this I'm sure old Gerry will see them blocked too.

Government to censor the Internet: http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showth...t=6388&page=56
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Old 21st April 2017, 09:17 PM
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You may not think it's possible but it wouldnt be the first time our government blocked websites because a big company told them to. If enough people use VPNs and web proxies to get around this I'm sure old Gerry will see them blocked too.

Government to censor the Internet: http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showth...t=6388&page=56
The Pirate Bay and other torrent sites are illegal, under international treaties as well as Australian copyright law they are well within their right to block copyright infringement.

But VPN's are essential for business and government to run, to use public WiFi securely, to prevent foreign governments from spying, etc. Blocking VPN's would be like shutting down the phone networks because a criminal used a phone to commit fraud. You can't do it because the vast majority of traffic is 100% legal and essential.

Besides everyone is jumping to the conclusion they will force web sites to collect GST. A much more reasonable method to implement is something along the lines of what the US does. In most states in America you are required to pay sales tax on everything you buy. How does the government collect that? Not by forcing out-of-state and foreign sites to collect tax but rather by making the resident pay up on their yearly tax return. You can do what most people do and just say you owe zero tax, or you can declare what you actually owe because if you get audited and they find you didn't pay up, well that's a crime.
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Old 21st April 2017, 10:26 PM
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The Pirate Bay and other torrent sites are illegal, under international treaties as well as Australian copyright law they are well within their right to block copyright infringement
Actually that is incorrect, torrent sites themselves are not illegal, it's the content some users choose to upload and share that is. The only thing that the torrent sites do that could be called illegal is not removing content if they get a cease and desist notice.
But on the flip side plenty of torrent sites including TPB also have torrents of content that is free to use and distribute in any means people see fit, for example linux distributions are also hosted on those sites and those are not only freely distributed but encouraged to be distributed in such manners.
So in essence the government blocking any torrent site rather then just blocking the "illegal" pages/users could be said to be the same as blocking the phone network because a criminal used it to commit a crime as they are punishing even those that use torrent sites for legal content for the actions of those that use them for illegal content.
So if it came down to it I can very well see the government blocking the use of VPNs for all but those on business plans with an ISP and claiming "if you are on a residential plan you have no need to use a VPN for anything".

On the tax matter we can only wait and see, the government could very well choose to enforce taxes on the Australian branches of companies like eBay and Amazon for overseas purchases made using their platform which is why they want to geoblock, to stop Aussie users buying from overseas so that the government cant chase the AU branches for money.
It will obviously have less of an affect on companies that dont have an AU branch as no, the government cant collect taxes from companies that dont trade in Australia or have an ABN.
It's all a matter of wait and see though, but I for one don't welcome this scam
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Old 22nd April 2017, 10:11 AM
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This whole thing is nothing more than an attempt to pull in extra revenue on what the govt thinks is an untapped resource. Unfortunately the report prepared for the govt by KPMG (?) seems to assume a minimum of 65% compliance by offshore entities remitting GST which will result in $650M. Once you factor in collection costs they make a tidy profit. Big problem is assuming 65%. Like hell it will be that high. My guess would say 30% and then suddenly the whole thing is costing more to do than it raises.

I understand the protectionist idea behind it but I don't agree. People who shop online are those who tend to be younger and will look around for the best price. They aren't older folk who walk into a store and just buy no matter the price. Not to mention a large portion of the goods purchased online from oversees are not available in Australia!

By far this is one of the most idiotic ideas they have had. Just think of all the money being wasted on this dumb idea already. No doubt Shorten will jump on the negative public sentiment and start opposing this shortly.
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Old 22nd April 2017, 02:41 PM
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Labor in principle support this but are asking for a stay of one year (so it'll go into effect on the 1st of July 2018 instead) so that more work can be done to assess if this is even worth doing.

Let's see!
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