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Thread: SPOILER THREAD - The Last Jedi

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime View Post
    There's rarely such thing as a perfect movie. Realistically the best movies are a 9/10 so a 7-8 is pretty good IMHO. And that's how I'd rate it too.
    I found a lot of answers to my questions on my second viewing, there are still bits that I think could have been done a bit better and didn’t make total sense
    I.e. Leia’s Mary Poppins scene, I think they should have kept her eyes closed, so that it was her feelings that directed her back rather than her visually trying to fly back, also once she ropened the bridge’s doors, technically everyone on the other side should have been sucked out into space...; also there is mention that during the space pursuit that there is only 18 hours left of fuel, 18 hours in a space pursuit isn’t really that long when you think about it, still I think it would have helped that once Rey made the decision to meet Kylo, a quick scene of a first order commander suggesting to Hux that they have a destroyer available to cut them off, with Hux replying no, Snoke has commanded that we continue the pursuit as is for now. I think that would have helped discount that main criticism; and lastly, although I still don’t agree with Luke “losing the will to live”, I think when Kylo discovered the ruse and Luke’s projection ceased, when Kylo started having his tantrum and screaming no in anger, it would have been cool to see some force lightning sparks develop around him to stamp his progression to the dark side, I think adding that element to that scene would have been fitting
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    Also have to mention it again, Mark Hamills performance really was superb, whether you agree or not on his characters story, he really gave it his all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    although I still don’t agree with Luke “losing the will to live”, I think when Kylo discovered the ruse and Luke’s projection ceased, when Kylo started having his tantrum and screaming no in anger, it would have been cool to see some force lightning sparks develop around him to stamp his progression to the dark side, I think adding that element to that scene would have been fitting
    He doesn't lose the will to live though. The exertion of projecting himself across the galaxy causes him to expire, and he becomes one with the Force like Yoda, Obi Wan and Anakin. Rian Johnson has said as much in interviews in the last few days.

    He essentially sacrifices himself to save the entire (remaining) Resistance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SharkyMcShark View Post
    He doesn't lose the will to live though. The exertion of projecting himself across the galaxy causes him to expire, and he becomes one with the Force like Yoda, Obi Wan and Anakin. Rian Johnson has said as much in interviews in the last few days.

    He essentially sacrifices himself to save the entire (remaining) Resistance.
    Sorry just thought it was a hereditary thing, I guess the exertion of giving birth to twins must have also caused Padme to expire as well
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    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Sorry just thought it was a hereditary thing, I guess the exertion of giving birth to twins must have also caused Padme to expire as well
    No the audience was fairly directly told that Padme was medically fine but was dying for no scientific reason.

    Though from what I gather you're being obtuse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SharkyMcShark View Post
    No the audience was fairly directly told that Padme was medically fine but was dying for no scientific reason.

    Though from what I gather you're being obtuse.
    Did I miss the part where the audience was told that Luke wasn’t medically fine?, he looked fine to me, exhausted yes, but nothing medically wrong with him. If projecting yourself resulted in death, why didn’t he do it earlier?, he did come to the island to die did he not?, furthermore, why did he leave an elaborate map to his location if he didn’t want to be found and just wanted to die?

    No need to take it personal, there are plot holes (like how did the rebels still control their ship when the bridge was blown up), I’m sure people have their own explanations, I just think mastering the power to project yourself is a pretty useless power if all it does is cause you to die. You are fine with it, it doesn’t sit well with me, we are both entitled to have our own opinions

    But as I said, I still liked the movie
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    Split thoughts.
    Almost felt like a YouTube bind together Star Wars movie.

    I like the start. I don't get how stupid both are one at trying to capture and the other can't escape. That became stupider when somehow Finn and rose go on side mission and I don't see how this is even doable but I let it go. It just didn't fit including dj waste of the movie. This is in fact the worse parts of the show.

    Snook dying not a surprise, I already knew 1 month ago he will die.
    I also knew the reylo wasn't going to happen as there would be little left to tell.
    Meaning kylo was to remain dark.

    How Ben became kylo feels a bit weak. I expected more, all the talk about Luke carrying the red crystal was like who gives a damn in this movie.

    Luke dying was a wasted opportunity to get different stories, training Rey or one on one with kylo.

    Lots of rumours were totally off, no knights of ren storming the beach.

    Poh feels like a moron in this movie, I don't know.

    Holdor? Introduced to be killed was wasting time, why not kill admiral embar there instead?

    The rest I am not sure about the story line. Rey is nobody is a wasted opportunity. I mean all the fan theory were quite good honestly. Gee do they know how to write?

    I think jj did a better job. Hopefully he can save whatever scraps left.

    I am undecided how to score it as there were good scenes and bad ones.

    I felt it was a wasted opportunity for certain characters.

    Let's not forget the Resistance totally F cared leia request for help on crate. Pretty much very gloomy.

    Do I hate it? No

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    Is Snoke dead? Was he just a projection like Luke... if he was truly the bridge between Kyle and Rey talking through the force how could they do it at the end of the movie if he was dead?

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    Snoke was powerful as any Force user we’ve seen in the main medium (bar maybe starkiller and expanded universe books) but as is always the case in Star Wars, overconfidence leads to downfall. Jedi, Sith, light, dark, grey, it does not matter. The moment you get cocky, something bad is going to happen.
    Luke losing a hand, anakin thinking he’d take out Kenobi, Windu arresting Palpatine, Snoke thinking he’d gotten his hearts desire (I guess... we have no idea who/what he was or his motivations). The only time this rule is broken is if the Falcon is involved!

    I enjoyed this movie, I liked the ties to Empire but I love that not everything ties back to Skywalker. I hope Rey remains a nobody, that Ren remains a petulant little snot with power. Phasma was wasted, Chewbacca was wasted but I understand why. The casino scene was bloated and over cooked but the failure of the heroes was much needed as well. The stupid first order chase was another stupid over confidence failure and punishment. The scene of Holdo hyperdriving through the fleet was masterful, the sound department deserve an Oscar for it alone.

    I never expected Leia to survive the bridge attack so I was flummoxed on how they use her next movie, it won’t be enough to have her leave the resistance from being heart broken or some such off screen. I expected Snoke to have more information gleaned as well as the knights of ren (Praetorian guard as the knights was my expectation) and I expected Luke to go out like Kenobi in A New Hope so I was very glad he didn’t. I am actually glad to see him go, he was always one my least liked elements of the original trilogy, the fact he was declared a Jedi master after what seemed like days of training was hilarious. The flashback temple scenes were a disappointment too in that again the knights were mentioned but never amounted to anything.

    Lots to like, no movie is perfect but the cast performed admirably, the highs were sensational, the lows mere blips in the overal scheme of things. Not everything has to be tied off nice and neat, not every question needs an answer (plus that’s what the next animated series after rebels may delve into). I love that from here they could go anywhere with the story. The heroes are unsupported by all but a stablehand, the only working lightsaber is a poorly constructed spitting cross guarded one and the main villains, while still powerful have little leadership.

    Personally I hope the first order splinters as it is obvious to all and sundry that between Hux and Ren, the leadership group is incompetent and imbicilic! No one would follow either of them after their numerous failures.

    Also full points for puppet Frank Oz Yoda. Don’t care that he controlled lightning from beyond the grave. Just good to have the puppet crazy and insane Yoda back.

    On a side note I’m peeved about the LEGO set tie ins. The bomber is amazing as a set but were mostly crap, the destroyer barely features, Snokes ship and the big gun ship were more important. The gorilla walkers barely feature and the Crait scenes not overly good in their conversion to LEGO... at least Rens tie fighter is on the mark and the training set seems decent...
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    I dont like Rey being a nobody, sorry this is poor story telling. There are several good theories and I wished this was one that the directors had taken an opportunity to PICK one.

    I feel less connected to it when Kylo pushed it "you are nobody"
    It felt like so how this Nobody managed to know the force.

    From now on Jaku is my replacement word for Nowhere. lol

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