Masterpiece Optimus Primal

[High_Q]

I think these are the first images of Masterpiece Optimus Primal:

https://www.facebook.com/407873945965014/photos/a.413238205428588.98389.407873945965014/906497799435957/?type=3&theater

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Finally some news! Even if it is only a render...

Hopefully they shrink down those forearm hinges to make them less bulky though.

[Verno]

Ooo, yeah. Ooooooooo, yeah! :cool:

[Zommael]

Looking at that image, it looks like the only difference from the 10th Anniversary figure is the addition of (some) articulation in the hands. A bit disappointing to be honest.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Looking at that image, it looks like the only difference from the 10th Anniversary figure is the addition of (some) articulation in the hands. A bit disappointing to be honest.

Yeah, i'm feeling the same way, I was expecting a nice clean beast mode and some voodoo magic transformation to robot that would blow me away!

I do like, but Takara better fix those damn arm hinges, because even the original toy did it better!:


http://i.imgur.com/W9zRYr1.jpg

[Verno]

Bloody G1 fans with your bricks and their square panels that fold away neatly. We Beast Wars fans accept that some compromises have to be made. The laws of physics apply to these toys, and so if portions of the robot-mode have to show in beast-mode despite the best efforts of the designers, then so be it.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

I'm a massive Beast Wars fan -- moreso than G1, which is why it's riding my ass so much!

[BigTransformerTrev]

Yeah, i'm feeling the same way, I was expecting a nice clean beast mode and some voodoo magic transformation to robot that would blow me away!

I do like, but Takara better fix those damn arm hinges, because even the original toy did it better!:


http://i.imgur.com/W9zRYr1.jpg

Is that the original toy? I thought is was the new one and was thinking 'actually, that's the first pic where it looks good' :p

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Is that the original toy? I thought is was the new one and was thinking 'actually, that's the first pic where it looks good' :p

That's the updated one, but the "chassis" is still the same as with the original, original one.

[Autocon]

You mean its just the same toy?!

[Zommael]

Bloody G1 fans with your bricks and their square panels that fold away neatly. We Beast Wars fans accept that some compromises have to be made. The laws of physics apply to these toys, and so if portions of the robot-mode have to show in beast-mode despite the best efforts of the designers, then so be it.

I am not a G1 fan by any stretch of the imagination. I like interesting and innovative Transformers toys, however, and it's starting to look like that's something the Masterpiece line is allergic to. I'll be sticking with my perfectly lovely 10th Anniversary Primal, thank you very much.

[Megatran]

And what's this one that fellow member Krayt purchased overseas a month ago?

http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=500123&postcount=88

EDIT: Found out this one has his bum behind his head.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

And what's this one that fellow member Krayt purchased overseas a month ago?

http://www.otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=500123&postcount=88

EDIT: Found out this one has his bum behind his head.

For some reason Hasbro thought it smart to re-release a Beast Machines toy for the Anniversary of Beast Wars...

[DELTAprime]

As Seibertron is pointing out, these are CG renders. I think this is the first time we have gotten a MP shown to us at this stage of development, he's probably still a long way off.

[Zommael]

As Seibertron is pointing out, these are CG renders. I think this is the first time we have gotten a MP shown to us at this stage of development, he's probably still a long way off.

Well, tbh, if they don't want negative reactions to early CG renders, they shouldn't be advertising the product with early CG renders. I'm all for positivity but at the moment there's no evidence that this is any improvement over the existing toy. I WANT MY MP OPTIMUS PRIMAL WITH REAL GORILLA FUR, DAMMIT!!!!

[ampoldj]

yeah real fur that i can brush together with my daugther's barbie, bratz dolls , and little ponies :D

anyway tentative release is summer 2016 which may be around August

[GoktimusPrime]

I also agree with others in thinking that this toy looks too similar to the original to make it feel worth getting. I also skipped the 10th anniversary version for the same reason.

And honestly, I think that this is a compliment to the original Beast Wars line, because it was such a well made line that toy engineering some 15~20 years later still hasn't sufficient surpassed it. BW was just that ahead of its time. As you all know, I personally don't find any of the Classicsverse BW figures to be better than their originals; I find them to be either inferior or on par, but I've yet to come across a modern version of a BW toy that I felt surpasses the original.

And as much as I love Beast Wars, this is why I prefer to see G1 characters being updated as Classicsverse and MP toys, because the "bricktastic" G1 toys need updating. Not so much for BW toys, because today's standards in toy design/engineering basically stems from BW anyway. :cool: But yeah, judging from what are admittedly still early conceptual pics, it doesn't look substantially different or better enough to convince me to pre-order it just yet.

Having said that, I hope that this toy does include:
* Alternate face with the faceplate closed. More toy-accurate, and there a few moments in the cartoon when Primal used the faceplate.
* Arm cannons that can deploy from both forearms without the hands flipping back (similar to RM Beast Convoy)
* Prime Jets that can fold out from the back. Again, similar to RM but done better.
* Swords with blue handles and silver/chrome blades.
* Amazon/Hasbro Asia exclusive toy-accurate mutant face
* Chest able to open and project his Matrix (http://images.wikia.com/transformers/images/1/12/PrimalLeadershipMatrix1.jpg)
* Have the shoulder cannons flip out without having unsightly back panels hanging underneath (as on the original) or exposed grooves on the back (as on the RM toy). It will be interesting to see how they might achieve this

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

I think it'll be tricky for Primal to be made as weell as the G1 toys. If they go for a show accurate look for example, ther's not that much they can do without altering him too much IMO. The show used scanned toys for the general shape and design of the characters didn't it? That doesn't allow THAT much for proportion changing and whatnot that we saw heavily in the G1 cartoon.

Imagine if the G1 cartoon had used some time-travel scanning tech and used the original toys in it. Would we be so impressed with Masterpieces based solely off the look of the toy?

I am still very eager to see how this pans out. Although I wasn't a big fan of the BW toys until Transmetals got in on the action, I was a fan of the show (eventually).

[XMan]

Really looking forward to this release! I hope we get a few other characters along the way.

[drifand]

[QUOTE=XMan;503890]Really looking forward to this release! I hope we get a few other characters along the way.[/QU

Disagree here, as I think many is already skipping this.

[liegeprime]

[QUOTE=Tetsuwan Convoy;503886]

Imagine if the G1 cartoon had used some time-travel scanning tech and used the original toys in it. Would we be so impressed with Masterpieces based solely off the look of the toy?

QUOTE]

Personally I think if they did that using the G1 toys for the toons.... it would lead to a whole lot of bricky issues, also another would be the size/scale would end up ridiculous .... e.g. Blaster vs Soundwave... Devastator vs Ultramagnus plus articulating such bricks would really be hard and time consuming for the animators, at least the beasties have articulation so they get an idea how they can make em move or pose....

[Verno]

To the haters, words from the bot himself:

Bemused Optimus Primal (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVhQmHwVHF8)

[GoktimusPrime]

Personally I think if they did that using the G1 toys for the toons.... it would lead to a whole lot of bricky issues, also another would be the size/scale would end up ridiculous .... e.g. Blaster vs Soundwave... Devastator vs Ultramagnus plus articulating such bricks would really be hard and time consuming for the animators, at least the beasties have articulation so they get an idea how they can make em move or pose....
Challenge of the Gobots was more toy-accurate than Transformers (except for the goofy faces), and yeah, it was all just animated bricks on screen. :rolleyes:

To the haters, words from the bot himself
Dude, I don't think anyone here hates this toy. I don't think anyone here even dislikes it. I think the general consensus is more of just pensive reservation, because this toy doesn't seem - for now - to be leaps and bounds ahead of the original Ultra Class toy. When you look at MP toys based on G1 TFs, they're often significantly massive improvements over the original G1 toys, both in terms of engineering and show likeness. Just look at Ironhide and Ratchet. :)

MP Optimus Primal doesn't appear to have achieved this similar sort of "leaps and bounds" level of improvement over the original toy. Yes, it does look better, but not as improved over the original BW figure than G1 MPs are over the original G1 toys. And honestly, there's no need to be upset over this, because this is really a compliment to Beast Wars, as it just goes to show just how freaking awesome the original BW toys were, that even modern Classicsverse or MP level of engineering still cannot significantly trump the originals. This should serve to remind everyone of just how revolutionary Beast Wars toys were when they first hit the scene in 1996-97. This is why Beast Wars is often referred to as the "Transformers Renaissance," and it set the standard for toy engineering ever since. Even today I still encounter certain design features in current Generations and MP toys that I first encountered during Beast Wars.

I love Beast Wars and I love Optimus Primal, but this is going to be a relatively expensive MP toy. Ultra Class Optimus Primal remains one of my all time favourite Transformers toys which cost me less than forty bucks. If I didn't already own the original toy, I'd be all over this MP like a rash. I'm currently really undecided about this toy, TBH. I'm also waiting to see what the advertised RRP for this toy will be too.

But really, each time you hear someone say that a modern day "update" of a BW toy doesn't seem to be much better than the original, take it as a compliment to that original toy. It shows that Beast Wars has withstood the test of time, whereas G1 toys are badly outclassed by modern standards. The original Ultra Optimus Primal toy still holds his own today, whereas G1 Ironhide is just laughable.

[Verno]

Essentially, Gok, your argument boils down to Beast Wars toys not needing updates because the original toys are still comparatively good.

But this isn't a matter of need. This is a matter of deserving. You spout the importance of Beast Wars in the history of Transformers, but would rob it of an opportunity for it to be shown. "The toy isn't a good enough improvement over the original so it shouldn't be done at all..." Well I'm sorry. Beast Wars deserves every bit of attention it can get.

[UltraMarginal]

I don't think Gok is saying it shouldn't be getting a look in, I think he's saying it's going to have to do something special to take the place of the ultra Primal in his heart.

I can see the point he's making, the wow factor comparing a G1 toy to an MP is a big step. where comparing a generations G1 toy to an MP g1 toy isn't quite so impressive.

I'm very happy for lovers of Beast wars, I don't think the toy should have flocking, it will rub and wear and then there will be bald spots. I have the impression that Takara are going for the screen accuracy of a smooth finish which I think is a lot more achievable. Might dip into the uncanny valley for some though.

Hopefully down the road there will be more Beast wars Masterpiece toys and for fans of other series, Masterpiece toys from those lines as well. As a lover of the G1 line myself, I will be happy if they make 2 or 3 Moulds of G1 Characters as masterpiece per year for the foreseeable future. sharing the production space around other series suits me just fine.

[Zommael]

Essentially, Gok, your argument boils down to Beast Wars toys not needing updates because the original toys are still comparatively good.

But this isn't a matter of need. This is a matter of deserving. You spout the importance of Beast Wars in the history of Transformers, but would rob it of an opportunity for it to be shown. "The toy isn't a good enough improvement over the original so it shouldn't be done at all..." Well I'm sorry. Beast Wars deserves every bit of attention it can get.

Hell yeah, Beast Wars deserves acknowledgement as one of the most important aspects of the franchise. But what it deserves isn't a simple remake of an already stellar toy. It deserves a full line of Generations figures, or a new cartoon series based on it (like AEC, Animated, and Aligned have been for G1) with accompanying toy line, or a video game, or something, anything, new. This isn't what BW deserves. It's nostalgia, pure and simple, like everything in the Masterpiece line, and Beast Wars deserves better than that. It deserves something that acknowledges how innovative, fresh, and controversial it was when first released by being just as innovative, fresh, and controversial. Transformers as a line is trading way too much on nostalgia these days, and ultimately that will harm the line. Beast Wars doesn't deserve this, it deserves better.

[Verno]

Hell yeah, Beast Wars deserves acknowledgement as one of the most important aspects of the franchise. But what it deserves isn't a simple remake of an already stellar toy. It deserves a full line of Generations figures, or a new cartoon series based on it (like AEC, Animated, and Aligned have been for G1) with accompanying toy line, or a video game, or something, anything, new. This isn't what BW deserves. It's nostalgia, pure and simple, like everything in the Masterpiece line, and Beast Wars deserves better than that. It deserves something that acknowledges how innovative, fresh, and controversial it was when first released by being just as innovative, fresh, and controversial. Transformers as a line is trading way too much on nostalgia these days, and ultimately that will harm the line. Beast Wars doesn't deserve this, it deserves better.
You say that Transformers is trading too much in nostalgia these days, yet you want a new Beast Wars cartoon series...? You see the irony there, right?

[Zommael]

You say that Transformers is trading too much in nostalgia these days, yet you want a new Beast Wars cartoon series...? You see the irony there, right?

I didn't say I wanted a new BW cartoon series per se. I want something that does for Beast Wars what the cartoon series this century have done for G1, so based on that but with new ideas and refinements. Beast Wars was innovative and shocking when it was released. It's time the franchise got back to ideas like that rather than plumbing the same well all the time.

[Firestorm]

I love beast wars and will get this Primal no matter what. But even I have to admit. It doesn't really seem all that different to the original. At least it makes me less depressed that I couldn't get that Japanese legends re,release
Hopefully as development progresses this will look more impressive

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

Personally I think if they did that using the G1 toys for the toons.... it would lead to a whole lot of bricky issues, also another would be the size/scale would end up ridiculous .... e.g. Blaster vs Soundwave... Devastator vs Ultramagnus plus articulating such bricks would really be hard and time consuming for the animators, at least the beasties have articulation so they get an idea how they can make em move or pose....

Size/scale wouldn't have been any more of a problem than it already was, but I think you're missing my point.
Which was this
If we consider MPs to be a combination of G1 toys goodness as well as including the media representation of a character, then it will be harder for that to be accomplished for Beast Wars as the CG models were made from the toys, with minor teaks to adjust proportions.

Sure there were exceptions, but in the case of Primal, the CG model and toy are already both fairly similar. Therefore, providing an MP quality Primal figure produces more of challenge than providing an MP quality Prime.





Things are getting pretty heated in here already...

[MayzaPrime]

[QUOTE=XMan;503890]Really looking forward to this release! I hope we get a few other characters along the way.[/QU

Disagree here, as I think many is already skipping this.

I disagree with your disagree :p

I am looking forward to seeing what Takara can produce... IMO Beast Wars has some of the best toys :D

[Sinnertwin]

Meh.

[Starscream77]

This is not for me but I think beast wars DESERVES the recognition in the MP line and especially in an anniversary year.
I have noted before I have never watched the show so can't offer an opinion but the legacy it has left says it all. I won't be buying them personally but surely they could produce 2 or 3 MPs for the legion of fans

[GoktimusPrime]

Yeah, ya never know unless ya try, and good on TakaraTOMY for at least having a go. :) At the end of the day we all vote with our wallets, and if enough people buy this toy it will encourage TakaraTOMY to make more. :D While the majority of BW toys were fantastic, there are a select handful of figures that were more questionable and are probably in dire need of an improved update.

Bring on MP Powerhug/Retrax! ;)

[UltimateGalvatron]

This is kind of like me wanting an MP Galaxy Convoy... the original is so generally received as a good figure its hard to improve, in Galaxy Convoy/s case the only thing I can see them doing is maybe make him a bit bigger, ankle tilts, wrist articulation and more balance in Super Mode. Optimus Primal all they need to do is make him bigger, more accurate weapons and a non-faceplated head.

[nsm034]

I think it looks awesome and will deff be adding to my Masterpiece collection

[Verno]

What's the best place to import MPs from for us Aussie fans?

[VGMStudios]

I'm a huge BW fan it's what brought me back to TFs. But I'm rather a little disappointed with this even if it's only a render.
The upper arms still look like the original toy.
The butt flap is silly and those feet. Looks like his feet have grown extra limbs or something. It just looks off to me.

I'm going to wait for shots of the prototype cause this render is not really doing Primal justice.

[Paulbot]

What's the best place to import MPs from for us Aussie fans?

I get all my MPs from HLJ. If you want the collector coin go Robotkingdom. If you want a local supplier I think many are going with Premium Collectibles.

[doublespy]

This is still early stage of the CGI and it looks like to mainly work out the engineering and transformation (to test if it will physically work as a toy, like what you have in Solidworks). Details are too be added and aesthetic tweaks can still be made. And that glossy surface render doesn't do the design any good because this is not meant to look good anyway.

I think if you're complaining about this being not much of an update from the original toy, you're missing the whole point of this being a Masterpiece altogether. Like some people would even say, MP Star Saber wasn't much of the update to the G1 toy either. If you've owned G1 Star Saber you know they're right. But does it stop the Japanese fans from loving this Masterpiece figure to death?

Just my 2 cents.:D

[Zommael]

This is still early stage of the CGI and it looks like to mainly work out the engineering and transformation (to test if it will physically work as a toy, like what you have in Solidworks). Details are too be added and aesthetic tweaks can still be made. And that glossy surface render doesn't do the design any good because this is not meant to look good anyway.

I think if you're complaining about this being not much of an update from the original toy, you're missing the whole point of this being a Masterpiece altogether. Like some people would even say, MP Star Saber wasn't much of the update to the G1 toy either. If you've owned G1 Star Saber you know they're right. But does it stop the Japanese fans from loving this Masterpiece figure to death?

Just my 2 cents.:D

At what point did that become what the MP line us, though? MP1 was revolutionary in its synthesis of a classic design with updated engineering and gimmicks. MP3 was an update of a classic character with a modern design and choices. When did it become about just boring remakes with a bit more articulation? When did Generations become the place for innovation and Masterpiece stagnation?

I say afain, if these are the limits of the CG model they shouldn't be promoting the toy with it. On the other hand, I wait to be pleasantly surprised by the prototype.

[Verno]

I get all my MPs from HLJ. If you want the collector coin go Robotkingdom. If you want a local supplier I think many are going with Premium Collectibles.
Cheers mate.

[GoktimusPrime]

Like some people would even say, MP Star Saber wasn't much of the update to the G1 toy either. If you've owned G1 Star Saber you know they're right. But does it stop the Japanese fans from loving this Masterpiece figure to death?
I personally strongly dislike the G1 Star Sabre toy. I think that it's really rubbish, even by 1989 standards. If I didn't know any better, I'd swear it was just some try hard Chinese or Korean "wannabe" brand. :rolleyes:

MP Optimus Primal does look a lot slicker and less chunky/cumbersome than the original toy. I guess as far as G1 to MP 'conversions' are concerned, it's arguably more on par with MP Grimlock and Star Sabre; the two existing MPs which are the most similar to their G1 toys. MP Grimlock was a toy that I was initially hesitant on getting -- I skipped the Takara version and got the Hasbro one locally a year later. And my MP Star Sabre was a freebie. :p So yeah, I'm still undecided about Primal at this stage. :o

[doublespy]

At what point did that become what the MP line us, though? MP1 was revolutionary in its synthesis of a classic design with updated engineering and gimmicks. MP3 was an update of a classic character with a modern design and choices. When did it become about just boring remakes with a bit more articulation? When did Generations become the place for innovation and Masterpiece stagnation?


Since MP 2.0 when show accuracy became the no.1 priority for Masterpiece I guess, and to produce the definitive figure for that certain character. So the degree of "update" varies greatly from one another.

Better proportions and a show accurate/biologically correct gorilla face (which no toy so far has done right), and the surefire better articulation are update enough for me personally to buy this.

[Trent]

Since MP 2.0 when show accuracy became the no.1 priority for Masterpiece I guess, and to produce the definitive figure for that certain character. So the degree of "update" varies greatly from one another.

Better proportions and a show accurate/biologically correct gorilla face (which no toy so far has done right), and the surefire better articulation are update enough for me personally to buy this.

The definitive version of a character isn't 100% toon accurate. It is a blend of toon, toy and logical reasoning to give us the ultimate version of a character that we love. The perfect example of this is Devastator. If you want a perfect toon representation of Devi, a third party company made one:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Wrxus/085dcd90cdd0f1e044079b69ceb1df68.jpg

Ugly, ain't it. No one wants that in the MP line.

[doublespy]

The definitive version of a character isn't 100% toon accurate. It is a blend of toon, toy and logical reasoning to give us the ultimate version of a character that we love. The perfect example of this is Devastator. If you want a perfect toon representation of Devi, a third party company made one:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc88/Wrxus/085dcd90cdd0f1e044079b69ceb1df68.jpg

Ugly, ain't it. No one wants that in the MP line.

Agreed. That's why I said no.1 priority. Not 100% show accurate.

With the great balance of everything he put in his design, Hasui has always put show accuracy first and foremost in his time with Masterpiece, at least that's what I get from playing with his stuff, and why he went back and watched all those G1 episodes every time he was handed a project.

[drifand]

Agreed. That's why I said no.1 priority. Not 100% show accurate.

With the great balance of everything he put in his design, Hasui has always put show accuracy first and foremost in his time with Masterpiece, at least that's what I get from playing with his stuff, and why he went back and watched all those G1 episodes every time he was handed a project.

Shogo Hasui gets my thumbs up over Hironori Kobayashi. He doesn't over complicate things.

[Trent]

Do we know who is designing this? Is it part of the normal MP line up or is it a side project like Star Saber was with its own design staff?

[doublespy]

Do we know who is designing this? Is it part of the normal MP line up or is it a side project like Star Saber was with its own design staff?

My guess would be a side project, to be handled by Hisashi Yuki. But who knows:D

If they showed some sketches we can probably figure out who it is.

[Lord_Zed]

Are we still going on about this? I don't get this whole idea of an MP being nothing more than an update thing, to me an MP is a collector aimed toy that commemorates a particular toy or character. The original Primal toy was awesome and still holds it own today (though sadly this may also be due to declining quality in some modern toys) but he's no MP, and he was released 18 years ago, assuming he comes out next year that's the same amount of time as we had between G1 Optimus and MP 01, so isn't it time to get some collectors grade Beast Wars toys for all the kids who grew up with that, and weren't able to buy an original Optimus Primal in the 90's?

That said the render is less than inspiring, but it's early days and I still think it's awesome they are making this.

[Magnus]

Are we still going on about this? I don't get this whole idea of an MP being nothing more than an update thing, to me an MP is a collector aimed toy that commemorates a particular toy or character.

From what I'm seeing, the Masterpiece line is about taking classic characters and giving them new figures with current toy engineering. Since they're 'updating' classic characters, it's not hard to see why some people think the Masterpiece line is about 'updates'.


The original Primal toy was awesome and still holds it own today (though sadly this may also be due to declining quality in some modern toys) but he's no MP, and he was released 18 years ago, assuming he comes out next year that's the same amount of time as we had between G1 Optimus and MP 01, so isn't it time to get some collectors grade Beast Wars toys for all the kids who grew up with that, and weren't able to buy an original Optimus Primal in the 90's?

I think this is the issue. Personally, yes, I think Beast Wars deserves 'recognition' in the form of new figures, Masterpiece or not - it's probably the best thing that's ever happened to the franchise. I think it's good that some season 1 characters have had new toys made in the Classics/Universe/Generations lines and are more screen-accurate as a result. The question seems to be whether or not Optimus Primal would 'benefit' from the Masterpiece treatment, because the original figure is already considered very good and just needed a few tweaks to make it more screen-accurate. That's not to say there isn't room for improvement, just that that improvement may not be as easy to see as it is between a G1 toy and its corresponding Masterpiece figure.

[kup]

I think these are the first images of Masterpiece Optimus Primal:

https://www.facebook.com/407873945965014/photos/a.413238205428588.98389.407873945965014/906497799435957/?type=3&theater

It's kind of cool that the prototype looks like CGI animation model.

[Lord_Zed]

From what I'm seeing, the Masterpiece line is about taking classic characters and giving them new figures with current toy engineering. Since they're 'updating' classic characters, it's not hard to see why some people think the Masterpiece line is about 'updates'.


I understand this, and yet we have two iterations of Optimus Prime in the MP line, from a update point of view MP 10 is utterly unnecessary, all he adds over his predecessor is some more toon accurate aesthetics. and based on what I've seen I'll be surprised if this MP Primal doesn't bring that and a lot more to the table then MP 10.

That said MP10 is now the Prime toy of choice for many MP collectors owing to the MP's that were released after him, and scaled closely to him. So I'd love to see this MP Primal sell well and love to see more MP Beast Wars toys all at this scale, sure the original Primal mold was awesome, much the same way the original Optimus was one of the best of it's time, but once they've got their obligatory Prime/Primal out of the way imagine how cool a MP Dinobot could be!

[GoktimusPrime]

Fun facts: MP Beast Convoy is being released in 2016. 2016 is the Year of the Monkey. :)

[drifand]

Fun facts: MP Beast Convoy is being released in 2016. 2016 is the Year of the Monkey. :)

Yotm version may be more appealing.

[Trent]

Yotm version may be more appealing.

To who?:confused:

[drifand]

To who?:confused:

Beats me personally I am not a fan of this piece so I am actually going to leave this thread till more actual toy footage is revealed.

There are a few members here who are excited so I guess they be the ones who will get variations if it is released.

Maked more sense to have a bape version too.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

To who?:confused:

I agree as well! I have no idea who would buy the YOTM version! If they re-released Transmetal Primal or Optimal Optimus, then i'd be all over it! But I ain't even gonna get him on discount, I just have no connection to Beast Machines, and the mold doesn't even look good to catch my interest anyway.

[GoktimusPrime]

At least it's a monkey+! :o And IMO the Air Attack Optimus Primal mould is actually pretty good. I don't know if I necessarily want them in those outlandish colours though. But at least they've FINALLY chosen a mould that's relevant to this year's Lunar Calendar patron animal!

Cos so far we've had:
* Year of the Dragon Optimus Prime - Peterbilt truck (not a dragon!)
* Year of the Snake Optimus Prime - truck (not a snake!)
* Year of the Snake Omega Supreme - train & battleship (not a snake!)
* Year of the Horse Optimus Prime - Freightliner truck (not a horse!)
* Year of the Horse Starscream - jet (not a horse!)
* Year of the Sheep☆ Optimus Prime - Western Star truck (not a caprid!)
* Year of the Sheep☆ Soundwave - walkman & cassettes (not a caprid!)
* Year of the Monkey Optimus Primal - gorilla (it's a primate!)

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+ While from a scientific and Western POV, gorillas are strictly apes not monkeys, from a Sino-Japanese cultural-linguistic POV, monkeys and gorillas are often synonymous. Year of the Primate. :p
☆ Some cultures may call it the Year of the Goat, but the Japanese call it the Year of the Sheep. Or we can just call it Year of the Caprid and cover all bases. ;)

[griffin]

☆ Some cultures may call it the Year of the Goat, but the Japanese call it the Year of the Sheep. Or we can just call it Year of the Caprid and cover all bases. ;)

The zodiac toys aren't by TakaraTomy and are noted as "Chinese New Year" toys, making the "year of the sheep" notation inaccurate for those two toys.

And even if they were produced for the Japanese market, the packaging has "Goat" on them... over-ruling whatever zodiac animal is applicable in the country they are sold in.

[GoktimusPrime]

Yeah, this is where things get even more confusing. Here are the logo for the Year of the Caprid Transformers:
Autobot logo (http://www.zangeki.com/pic/figure/transformers/platinum/2015_year_of_the_goat/year_of_the_goat_logo.jpg)
Decepticon logo (https://marcusgohmarcusgoh.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/marcusgohmarcusgoh-yotgsoundwavereview-7.jpg)
You will notice that on the right hand side of both logos is this character: 羊, which, on its own, means "sheep."
The word for "goat" looks like this: 野羊 (or 山羊).
I just asked my wife who's a native Chinese speaker, and she confirmed that it's the same in Chinese (羊 = sheep, 山羊 = goat).

While the English text on the packaging may say "goat," the Chinese character on the logos say "sheep." So the official packaging refers to both. I have no idea why, but there you have it. :o

[doublespy]

Yeah, this is where things get even more confusing. Here are the logo for the Year of the Caprid Transformers:
Autobot logo (http://www.zangeki.com/pic/figure/transformers/platinum/2015_year_of_the_goat/year_of_the_goat_logo.jpg)
Decepticon logo (https://marcusgohmarcusgoh.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/marcusgohmarcusgoh-yotgsoundwavereview-7.jpg)
You will notice that on the right hand side of both logos is this character: 羊, which, on its own, means "sheep."
The word for "goat" looks like this: 野羊 (or 山羊).
I just asked my wife who's a native Chinese speaker, and she confirmed that it's the same in Chinese (羊 = sheep, 山羊 = goat).

While the English text on the packaging may say "goat," the Chinese character on the logos say "sheep." So the official packaging refers to both. I have no idea why, but there you have it. :o

羊 in Chinese is a generic term for caprids. It can be both. And the Chinese zodiac is the same which does not really specify whether it's sheep or goat. Try googling a picture of say “Chinese zodiac 2015” you'll find all sorts of caprids.:D

[GoktimusPrime]

羊 in Chinese is a generic term for caprids. It can be both. And the Chinese zodiac is the same which does not really specify whether it's sheep or goat. Try googling a picture of say “Chinese zodiac 2015” you'll find all sorts of caprids.:D
Continued discussion here (http://otca.com.au/boards/showpost.php?p=505479&postcount=129). :)

[UltimateGalvatron]

-everyone is talking about goats/sheep-

So uhh.... MP Primal aye....

[GoktimusPrime]

-everyone is talking about goats/sheep-
My baad. :p I've moved that discussion off to a more appropriate thread now, so yeah... MUNKEE NOT TRUKK! :D

[kelvinchang99]

I am so not excited about this masterpiece...

[The_Damned]

at least my wallet gets a rest

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

From twitter user tagoal (https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/686895189344915456):

http://i.imgur.com/7dnsisU.jpg

[Verno]

I'm curious to see what's going on with the back of Primal's beast foot.

[Raider]

Silhouette doesn't look much different from the original iterations
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-images/toys/images/120840-4/dxConvoy26.jpg

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Images from Tagoal (https://twitter.com/tagoal) (Plus a video (https://www.facebook.com/DaimChocReports/videos/203708679979567/) via DaimChoc):

http://i.imgur.com/z81xSvD.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/NMPiW6n.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/2iUob9Y.jpg

There're some bigger pics on the Twitter feed if you click on them:

https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/689432281459503104

https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/689432159782731777

https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/689431985756844032

[drifand]

just from all the info given so far, I have to say the alt mode is looking better than robot form.

[Verno]

Yum! But come on, Takara, give us some pics!

[Paulbot]

It looks like he still has the lever on his back for the arm action gimmick??

[kurdt_the_goat]

Merged pic for ease of viewing - click for larger :)

http://i.imgur.com/zZiLpSDl.png (http://i.imgur.com/zZiLpSD.png)


It looks like he still has the lever on his back for the arm action gimmick??

I hope it's just for his shoulder cannons, as the odd nature of the gears and how they sometimes get out of place (and make cracking noise when you try and articulate them) is my only real problem with the original toy. It looks like maybe they're using more of the chest area for the transformation instead of space for gimmicks this time.


just from all the info given so far, I have to say the alt mode is looking better than robot form.

Really? I think compared to the old toy, beast mode certainly has the most improvements, but robot mode looks pretty much perfect to me! The only thing in both modes that i think looks a little odd, are the hind leg's feet - in bent over stance they look too long - but then standing up, they seem intentionally so for balance, so I think it's a good trade off! Maybe the elbow hinges could have been done cleaner too, but apart from that consider me hyped!

[Verno]

Merged pic for ease of viewing - click for larger :)

http://i.imgur.com/zZiLpSDl.png (http://i.imgur.com/zZiLpSD.png)
Much obliged.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Merged pic for ease of viewing - click for larger :)

Cheers!

Loving the transformation, what with the way the back spins so his ass in beast mode ends up at the back of his robot head, and how his beast mode gut becomes the robot chest!

Now if they'd fix those damn elbow hinges so they stick out less, i'd be really happy!

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

From Takara's website (http://tf.takaratomy.co.jp/toy/event/2016/01/post-65.html):

http://i.imgur.com/6xUFFj9.png
http://i.imgur.com/BNQohqG.png
http://i.imgur.com/rlBTeFX.png

[kurdt_the_goat]

Boom! Scans from Figure King

Alternate beast mode faces, shoulder guns, arm guns, swords, light up feature for robot mode! Hope the robot mode has alternate face plate somehow too, but if it has to be just one, i'm glad they went with open mouth.

http://i.imgur.com/YcWWkXI.jpg

[llamatron]

The beast mode hind feet look pretty goofy but otherwise very nice.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Sweet!

I wonder if the light up feature prevents the faceplate swap?

[Verno]

By Primus!

Where's the translate button? WHERE'S THE TRANSLATE BUTTON?!

[FruitBuyer]

from tfw2005.com (http://news.tfw2005.com/2016/01/20/clear-image-masterpiece-optimus-primal-prototype-308122)

http://news.tfw2005.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/01/1-4.jpg


I must say that Takara has once again outdone themselves here. I look forward to a potential Dinobot release.

[yoshi594]

from tfw2005.com (http://news.tfw2005.com/2016/01/20/clear-image-masterpiece-optimus-primal-prototype-308122)

http://news.tfw2005.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/10/2016/01/1-4.jpg


I must say that Takara has once again outdone themselves here. I look forward to a potential Dinobot release.

to be fair, the original figure was pretty damn good. Looks like the transformation will be similar (kind hard not to as the cartoon was based on the toys).

[GoktimusPrime]

Impressive. The toy seems to do a pretty good job in trying to conceal the robot parts in beast mode. I also hope that the robot head will come with a variant toy-accurate faceplate (which also features in the show (http://dauntlessmedia.net/wp-content/transformers/gallery/110-gorillawarfare/bw-110-gorilla-warfare%20(38).gif)).

By Primus!

Where's the translate button? WHERE'S THE TRANSLATE BUTTON?!
Keep calm and learn Japanese. ;)

[GoktimusPrime]

Impressive. The toy seems to do a pretty good job in trying to conceal the robot parts in beast mode. I also hope that the robot head will come with a variant toy-accurate faceplate (which he also features in the show (http://dauntlessmedia.net/wp-content/transformers/gallery/110-gorillawarfare/bw-110-gorilla-warfare%20(38).gif)).

By Primus!

Where's the translate button? WHERE'S THE TRANSLATE BUTTON?!
Keep calm and learn Japanese. ;) (the text just briefly explains the history of BW and this toy; nothing we don't already know)

Interesting to see that TakaraTOMY's referring to their 20th Anniversary BW line as "Beast Wars 2." Now perhaps Anglophones might finally stop mispronounce "Beast Wars II" as "Beast Wars Two" and correctly pronounce it as "Beast Wars Second." :o

[kurdt_the_goat]

Interesting to see that TakaraTOMY's referring to their 20th Anniversary BW line as "Beast Wars 2." Now perhaps Anglophones might finally stop mispronounce "Beast Wars II" as "Beast Wars Two" and correctly pronounce it as "Beast Wars Second." :o

The eye is a stylised "0" to make 20! I did a double take at first too.

[Lord_Zed]

This is starting to look pretty sweet.

[1AZRAEL1]

By Primus!

Where's the translate button? WHERE'S THE TRANSLATE BUTTON?!

You're actually excited for once hahahaha

[Verno]

You're actually excited for once hahahaha
I know. It's been a long time between drinks.

[VGMStudios]

Agreed. The beast feet look really awful and I still don't like the upper arm covers. It's too much like the original toy.

[Trent]

Agreed. The beast feet look really awful and I still don't like the upper arm covers. It's too much like the original toy.

I don't own the original so don't really have much perspective on this, but can you elaborate on what you were expecting this to be? Given the animation model was built off the toy and this is built off the animation model, they are bound to be very similar. It can hardly be expected that the leap between the original toy and this be comparable to G1 Prime and MP-10.

[griffin]

I sorta feel the same in that a Masterpiece gives us a more detailed and complex toy that is closer to the cartoon/comic, but as people are saying, the original Optimus Primal toy was already well detailed and just like the show... so it feels a bit wasted taking up an expensive Masterpiece spot when they could have done Megatron, who wasn't animated exactly like the toy (arms, legs, torso, wings) to need a more show-accurate toy... and it could have then come with a bonus rubber ducky that some fans have always wanted.... yeeeessss. :p

[Raider]

I sorta feel the same in that a Masterpiece gives us a more detailed and complex toy that is closer to the cartoon/comic, but as people are saying, the original Optimus Primal toy was already well detailed and just like the show... so it feels a bit wasted taking up an expensive Masterpiece spot when they could have done Megatron, who wasn't animated exactly like the toy (arms, legs, torso, wings) to need a more show-accurate toy... and it could have then come with a bonus rubber ducky that some fans have always wanted.... yeeeessss. :p

Now that would have been amazing! @@

Only problem is that they figure OP (and they are probably right) would sell more than Megs would and was probably a lot easier and cheaper to do as a Masterpiece given what they were working with. Megs would have been a real challenge.

I prefer my original BW OP to the Masterpiece. It just shows how cutting edge it was for it's time and 20 years down the track it still is amazing. I'll still buy the Masterpiece though...

[Verno]

It's incredible to me that even though Primal comes with two swords, blasters in each wrist and shoulder cannons, Takara thought he could do with some more elements so added swappable faces and lights!

If we see more BW MPs in the future, could lights be a feature of them? Have lights been seen before in MPs?

[GoktimusPrime]

Have lights been seen before in MPs?
MP-1 Convoy (Matrix chamber)
MP Megatron (fusion cannon)

[ampoldj]

MP-1 Convoy (Matrix chamber)
MP Megatron (fusion cannon)

Pls don't forget my favorite Grimlock :p

[Verno]

Not widely used by any means then. That's some illustrious company for Primal.

[1AZRAEL1]

I want MP Inferno and I'll be all over it. Though like Primal, not alot to improve on. Still, I wants him lol

[GoktimusPrime]

The original Optimus Primal was one of (if not the single) best toy from the original BW line, so it's pretty hard to beat. I guess this is what happens when you try to 'update' toys that were well ahead of their time. I imagine that they'd face similar issues if they ever made an MP G2 Laser Optimus Prime; other than a few changes here and there, there's not really a whole lot you could do to improve that design.

Having said that, it looks like TakaraTOMY have done a fair job in trying to improve this design. And while I understand that there are certainly other BW characters that could do with an "MP Upgrade" more urgently than Optimus Primal, I guess that Primal is the 'safe' character to do first, cos ya know... he's an Optimus. :) After all, G1 MP started with Optimus Prime. Hopefully if this toy sells well enough, it might prompt TakaraTOMY to make more. But again, I can't imagine any BW TF being as vastly improved with becoming an MP as G1s are, because all the BW toys were just so well made. I'd personally rather spend my money on G1 MPs which I personally consider in more dire need of updating.


Pls don't forget my favorite Grimlock :p
I knew I'd forgotten someone! :D

[doublespy]

I think proportions are the key improvement. Better proportions can make a world of a difference in person. It could be the difference between "not better from the original toy" to"he looks like he jumped right out of the show".

Also small transformation steps that make you go "that's clever" or what people would call a Masterpiece moment, which by the looks of it he will certainly have.

I'd pre-order MP Primal on sight.

[llamatron]

The rumour is that there will be 4 MP-BWs to start with coming out this year:

1) Primal
2) Megatron
3) Cheetor
4) Rattrap

This info is supposedly based off a product-showcase conference call between TT and Hasbro Asia.

Add salt liberally.

[Megatran]

Boom! Scans from Figure King

Alternate beast mode faces, shoulder guns, arm guns, swords, light up feature for robot mode! Hope the robot mode has alternate face plate somehow too, but if it has to be just one, i'm glad they went with open mouth.

http://i.imgur.com/YcWWkXI.jpg
I'm no Beast Wars fan but I'm in an excited state right now. I feel like spankin' that monkey.

[SMHFConvoy]

I like it and I need a Primal to hang with my generations Rhinox

[Gehirn]

3) Cheetor

I would like to see an improved Cheetor, but instead of Rattrap I wish it was Dinobot (or Tarantulas, but that seems like a dream).

[MayzaPrime]

Dinobot needs a MP figure ASAP!!!!

I am very happy with the new pictures of Primal... It looks fantastic. I also cant wait to display him with the Thrilling 30 figures

[VGMStudios]

I don't own the original so don't really have much perspective on this, but can you elaborate on what you were expecting this to be? Given the animation model was built off the toy and this is built off the animation model, they are bound to be very similar. It can hardly be expected that the leap between the original toy and this be comparable to G1 Prime and MP-10.

I think it would be quite simple really to cover up the upper arms in beast mode and have the shoulders for robot mode.

All they really need to do is have a swing-able cover that snaps over the inner arm in beast mode to make up the black gorilla arms, and when transformed, the inner cover can swing around up into the outer cover to make up the shoulders for robot mode. Can you see what I mean? Id be happy with that.

Now if only i could write to Takara with my idea. ha.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

All they really need to do is have a swing-able cover that snaps over the inner arm in beast mode to make up the black gorilla arms, and when transformed, the inner cover can swing around up into the outer cover to make up the shoulders for robot mode. Can you see what I mean? Id be happy with that.

I was thinking they would do something like that, but they probably decided against it due to costs or toy safety laws.

I personally don't mind the shoulder "pads", but I still hate those elbow joints!

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

The Allspark has uploaded some hi-res scans (http://www.allspark.com/2016/01/figure-king-215-216-hi-res-transformers-scans-unite-warriors-blast-off-mp-primal/) from Figure King.

Interestingly, it looks like Primal's bot mode gets a screamy face!:

http://i.imgur.com/0OBPRlO.png

So here's hoping we get a faceplate too!

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Courtesy of Tagoal (https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/694505299999195137):

http://i.imgur.com/f2mpGmh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ZAglk03.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Yb5radw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YSGRhV2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4ULJ7dT.jpg

Oh baby! :eek:

Still hate those elbows! LOL! :D

Edit: Couple of extra shots from DaimChoc (https://www.facebook.com/DaimChocReports/posts/210715129278922):

http://i.imgur.com/19tnLqg.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/sfFSb90.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lNOdkkQ.jpg

Dat ass and dem elbowz... :(

[doublespy]

I like what's shown so far.

Sure the heels could've been handled maybe a bit more elegantly but other than that he's looking great. The proportions are spot on.

I think they went with this elbow joint rather than a double hinge is to make room for the forearm cannon gimmick.

[Verno]

The shoulder cannons appear to be visible on his back in robot mode. That's a little disappointing.

Still can't wait to get my hand on him though.

[DaptoDog]

Interesting that it's being numbered as MP-31. I'm not fussy on numbering but I thought Beast Wars might get it's own separate line. I never got into Beast Wars when it first came out but my son got hooked on it last year. I'm going completionist on Takara Masterpieces so I guess I'll be collecting these too. My son can have one now to play with and when he grows up he can have mine MISB.

[Tober]

Japanese YouTube video of the Beast Wars 20th Anniversary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMHJVFalHig

Jump to about 2 mins to view MP Primal prototype turntable footage.

[Paulbot]

The robot mode looks like the CG model stepped off the screen. Like it a lot.

[millhouse]

The robot mode looks like the CG model stepped off the screen. Like it a lot.

Agreed. I know I'll be buying one (usually I buy two, one to display in each mode) but it'll be in robot mode for sure.

[ampoldj]

where was it confirmed it is MP31? well just give the price so i can start saving :D

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Via TFW user Monari (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/1057559-masterpiece-optimus-primal-new-render-31.html#post13322124), shots from Hyper Hobby magazine:

http://i.imgur.com/huVDOEZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/EkFRZgF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/P2tQiGm.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rozDkSz.jpg

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FACEPLATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And that smiley wink face is an awesome and unexpected bonus!


where was it confirmed it is MP31?

Looks like it's from the magazine.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

The shoulder cannons appear to be visible on his back in robot mode. That's a little disappointing.

They're visible in the show:

http://i.imgur.com/Q973RCA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nnFPQHg.jpg

[ampoldj]

And robot mode is about 19cm tall according to that magazine scan...

[doublespy]

Looking better and better.

[Verno]

They're visible in the show:

http://i.imgur.com/Q973RCA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nnFPQHg.jpg
My memory of the original toy must be messing with my memory of the show model.

[Bladestorm]

I'm a truck not monkey girl but I do have to say the early imagery of Primal is VERY tempting...

I think I am going to have a tough time deciding if I need to add the big ape to my collection or not if he looks as good in hand as he appears to thus far in the prototypes.

[1AZRAEL1]

If he scales with the recent BW classics figures, he'll sit well on my shelf. Need more Maximal scum, too many Predheads lol

[kurdt_the_goat]

It looks so good that i'm hesitant to have a whinge (cause it's not the end of the world by any means)... but those elbows are really the only sore spot on this figure for me.

I know the show model has the same hinge design, but they've put it off-centre so it bulges out the front, and leaves a big gap when it's fully bent. I guess this is so he can do the chest beating pose, but I still feel it could have been done better. Maybe as a double hinge, or having an internal elbow piece that fills the empty gap (Apollyon has something like i mean)

Looks like i'm gonna have to pick up a Rattrap to go along with him though, they all look great together!

[MayzaPrime]

Primal scales well with the Generations Beast Wars figures... :D

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

The AllSpark has uploaded hi-res scans from Hyper Hobby magazine here (http://www.allspark.com/2016/02/hyper-hobby-mook-character-land-vol-5-transformers-scans-masterpiece-optimus-primal/).

[Lord_Zed]

So for anyone who was wondering what sort of improvements could be made with an MP level Primal, question answered.

I just hope we get a MP BW megs too.

[Verno]

When pre-orders do come online, who are the preferred online stores to deal with? I've not bought an MP before.

[griffin]

where was it confirmed it is MP31? well just give the price so i can start saving :D

On the Hobby Magazine scans that were a few posts above. It's in red writing on one of them.

[Tober]

When pre-orders do come online, who are the preferred online stores to deal with? I've not bought an MP before.

Local store Premium Collectibles (http://www.premiumcollectables.com.au/collections/takratomytransformers) has become the preferred source within a year. They're very competitive given the poor exchange rates.

Otherwise if you want it ASAP, I'd recommend HLJ (http://www.hlj.com) or Hobby Search (http://www.1999.co.jp/eng/) due to their excellent customer service.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

From Tagoal (https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/699578406845833216?lang=ja):

http://i.imgur.com/l2WvYtO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Su63XmF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1ffOqKY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/2VwFcVS.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ozTJjhj.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/q05z39k.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BbxbUIP.jpg

[llamatron]

Loving all the extra faces and accessories MPs are coming with.

Now just hurry up TT and put out solicitations!

[Bladestorm]

Those extra faces are cool!

I can't wait to see the finished product in hand.

[Raider]

I know I'll get this (I love my MPs) and I realise that it is exceptionally difficult when you are using an animal, but parts of it just irk me, such as the feet and elbows. I am being way too picky though.

I also kinda wish that the outside plastic in beast mode had an almost hair like feel to it. I think they are attempting that with the look of the paint but it would be great it it's not just a smooth plastic feel.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

... but parts of it just irk me, such as the feet and elbows. I am being way too picky though.

I don't think you're being too picky, I think they are legitimate criticisms.

Those elbows, for example, are just terrible and really ruin what looks like a premium figure, particularly with the paintjob reveal.

[BruiseLee]

I'm in the trukk not munky camp and wasn't that keen on this as it doesn't fit what I have until I saw that dancing munky pose. Now I'm officially on the fence for this!

[GoktimusPrime]

One of the strengths of the original BW figures was the meticulous detail that they poured into sculpting features like fur, scales, feathers etc. I agree that it's a shame that this appears to be absent in the MP figure, but I think that it's because they're going for show-accuracy. So the surface of the beast mode is screen-accurately flat. We've seen the same approach being taken w/ G1 MPs, so it's not all that surprising.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Some screencaps from a new video (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1456216220), taken by Tagoal (https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/702115176489746432):

http://i.imgur.com/seVpzP1l.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/a5bena8l.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/hLhnuWUl.jpg

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Coloured images of beast mode and swords (via Tagoal (https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/704651931004764160)):

http://s8.postimg.org/uimc7tkph/masterpiece_optimus_primal_gorilla.jpg
http://s8.postimg.org/rd1qhm239/masterpiece_optimus_primal_swords.jpg
http://s8.postimg.org/nupql8179/masterpiece_optimus_primal_guns.jpg

[Jetfire in the sky]

Looks pretty awesome with the paint apps, cleans up the elbow area. That render effect looks great.
Not sure if I will get this but would love to see one in person.

[VGMStudios]

I really hope they change the robot feet to be more metallic like in the show.

[Verno]

Just let me goddam pre-order it already!

[MayzaPrime]

What is with Dinobot being transformed in the corner of the picture?

Could we soon see an MP Dinobot? :D:p:p

[llamatron]

Just let me goddam pre-order it already!

Yes yes yes

[Bladestorm]

What is with Dinobot being transformed in the corner of the picture?

Could we soon see an MP Dinobot? :D:p:p

Who cares about Primal... I want that DINOBOT! ;)

Fingers crossed.

[Lint]

That render effect looks great.
Not sure if I will get this but would love to see one in person.

It sure does! I hope it looks as good in person as it does in the photobooth.

[VGMStudios]

Yes let me allah damn preorder already.

[BruiseLee]

Yes let me allah damn preorder already.

Probably a typo but words 4&5 together is a dangerous mix. ;)

[yoshi594]

Who cares about Primal... I want that DINOBOT! ;)

Fingers crossed.

Lol isn't the dinobot in the pic the original dinobot toy? I wouldn't mind if they did the original beast war cast mp...specially tarantulas and skorponk. Inferno would be nice too!

Anyhoo why are there no preorders yet! It feels the same way as waiting for more Sherlock episodes!

[VGMStudios]

Probably a typo but words 4&5 together is a dangerous mix. ;)

Nope not a typo :)
Allah damn it. Lol.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Couple shots of the painted beast mode and a video (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1457418204) (via DaimChoc (https://www.facebook.com/DaimChocReports/posts/226857947664640)):

http://s17.postimg.org/qi4ratdcr/736854_226857830997985_4624172920840783779_o.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/qi4ratdcr/)
http://s18.postimg.org/cht5iomut/12823229_226857837664651_1511200794495929888_o.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/cht5iomut/)
http://s22.postimg.org/wtjzacrzh/12593721_226857834331318_130235262989011011_o.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/wtjzacrzh/)

Click on thumbnail for larger image in new tab/window, then click again for full size.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

So we've now got a video showing the transformation (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1458044905) of primal.

Also, what looks like to be the final paintjob (courtesy of Tagoal (https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/709725600424927232)):

http://i.imgur.com/WZ531Sx.jpg

[DELTAprime]

Great now I have to avoid TT's own videos spoiling the transformation of a new MP just to be surprised.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Great now I have to avoid TT's own videos spoiling the transformation of a new MP just to be surprised.

Given how low quality the video is, along with the voice actor guy fumbling his way through it, there wasn't all that much to see that we've not already seen (and surmised) from the pictures.

[doublespy]

Not sure about the metallic blue face and chest. The earlier color scheme looked so much better

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Via TFW's Aniline (http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-news-rumors/1057559-masterpiece-optimus-primal-new-render-92.html#post13453043):

http://i.imgur.com/jwlx4Zh.jpg

[ampoldj]

^whats with the TAV40 thing at the bottom left? :confused:

[BruiseLee]

^whats with the TAV40 thing at the bottom left? :confused:

I spent way too long looking for TAV40 on the bottom left till I realized you meant bottom right ;)

[Firestorm]

^whats with the TAV40 thing at the bottom left? :confused:

Huh!? :confused:
TAV? As in Transformers Adventure?
But shouldn't it be a masterpiece? MP?
Probably hopefully just an error
Unless they for some reason decided to relegate him to the TAV line for some reason
I hope not since Beast Wars deserves masterpieces

[Paulbot]

Huh!? :confused:
TAV? As in Transformers Adventure?
But shouldn't it be a masterpiece? MP?
Probably hopefully just an error
Unless they for some reason decided to relegate him to the TAV line for some reason
I hope not since Beast Wars deserves masterpieces

The MP logo is still between Primal's legs in that photo.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

TAV40 comes up as Bumblebee (https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK12290&mode=retail), so unless that links to what's featured on the next page, it must be a typo.

[Firestorm]

The MP logo is still between Primal's legs in that photo.

That's true. Must just be a typo then


TAV40 comes up as Bumblebee (https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK12290&mode=retail), so unless that links to what's featured on the next page, it must be a typo.

I'd say typo/error Considering the text directly under TAV40 reads "Convoy (Beast Wars)"

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Another episode (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1458650280) in the BW anniversary video series.

Plus a close up shot of Primal's faces (courtesy of Tagoal (https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/712262336124334081)):

http://i.imgur.com/EKdrAdF.jpg

[kurdt_the_goat]

Some clearer pics of the new Figure King magazine, courtesy of me :D

http://i.imgur.com/gWXQ81Cm.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/gWXQ81C.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/LPAkXKRm.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/LPAkXKR.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/0Ianypfm.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/0Ianypf.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/xtmHLGpm.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/xtmHLGp.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/iFaWg79m.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/iFaWg79.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/AkMmwl4m.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/AkMmwl4.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/pT3lsFvm.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/pT3lsFv.jpg) http://i.imgur.com/6mKQlGmm.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/6mKQlGm.jpg)

Looks great! I'm liking the middle ape head, kind of reminds me of the 90's TMNT movie Turtles :D

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Cheers Kurdt! :)

They've definitely done a good job on the facesculpts! Although the middle ape face looks more like a rape face...

Now hurry up with the preorders!

PS: Still wondering what that notch on his left forearm is for...

[Verno]

http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/img/gmw/docs/749/821/at_12.jpg (http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20160324_749821.html)

MP-32. 12,000 Yen. October.

:(

[kurdt_the_goat]

The date is little ways off, but pretty close to MP-31's release. Wonder if there's room in the last few months for one more car or something?

The price seems pretty good though, probably around 9000Y with preorder.

More pics in the Game WATCH article (http://game.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/20160324_749821.html) too, click for larger!

http://i.imgur.com/46YHMoEl.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/46YHMoE.jpg)

http://i.imgur.com/c7Bmob4l.jpg (http://i.imgur.com/c7Bmob4.jpg)

[Firestorm]

October eh?
Hello birthday present! :):):)
I need this thing
It looks so good in robot mode
Gorilla mode looks good too. From the waist up at least
Was hoping it would be a little cheaper
But I'm more than willing to pay any price for a MP Primal :D

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

With that type of paintjob, I definitely expected a premium price!

Plus i'm happy to wait as long as they don't rush and f#&k it up! Takara you better get this bad boy right first time!

[llamatron]

Looks so good.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Had a read of that Game Watch article, and Primal is still classified as "provisional", so hopefully they're working on getting him just right!

[VGMStudios]

wouldnt that notch in the arm be for your fingers to open up the arm cannon?

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

wouldnt that notch in the arm be for your fingers to open up the arm cannon?

I thought that initially, but there's no notch on the right side which also has the cannon.

[Verno]

Why can't I buy the one in the picture? It's right there!

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

BBTS has Primal preorders up now for US$119.99 (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK12327&mode=retail&utm_source=Marketing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Marketing&utm_content=).

While PC has theirs set for Monday evening.

EDIT: Also at The Chosen Prime (http://www.thechosenprime.com/MP32) (same price as BBTS).

[drifand]

BBTS has Primal preorders up now for US$119.99 (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK12327&mode=retail&utm_source=Marketing&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Marketing&utm_content=).

While PC has theirs set for Monday evening.

EDIT: Also at The Chosen Prime (http://www.thechosenprime.com/MP32) (same price as BBTS).

That cost a bit higher than expected, how tall is it again?

[laproblematique]

Anybody know if all MP's from here on out come with a display stand?

[Trent]

Anybody know if all MP's from here on out come with a display stand?

Unlikely. They would have showed it with one if it was included.

[ampoldj]

^and they are selling those transparent Tracks stand but haven't still got a wider release that it costs $20 each atm

[laproblematique]

^and they are selling those transparent Tracks stand but haven't still got a wider release that it costs $20 each atm

Oh is that the one shown here:

http://i.imgur.com/AkMmwl4.jpg

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

That cost a bit higher than expected, how tall is it again?

I think they said 19cm, but the US stores have jacked his price up, as in Japan he is set to sell for 12,000 yen, while those US stores have him at 13,570 yen.

I'd expect the price to be way less direct from Japan.

[Trent]

Oh is that the one shown here:

http://i.imgur.com/AkMmwl4.jpg

That's the one. Maybe it does come with one or maybe it's just for the photos. We'll have to wait and see.

[Tetsuwan Convoy]

The stand is separate. Says so in the text underneath.

Sorry lads and ladies.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

From Figure King #218 (via Loopaza Mega Store (https://www.facebook.com/loopaza/photos/pcb.1089933764401471/1089929091068605/?type=3&theater)):

http://s21.postimg.org/xzuovkvur/12719199_1089929091068605_3917209543565942138_o.jp g (http://postimg.org/image/xzuovkvur/)

Click on image to open in new window/tab, click again for full size.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Better scan of Figure King #218, courtesy of Randy Para (https://goo.gl/photos/GnmAhEa8XtYL8aDP9):

http://s30.postimg.org/f6n9m02bx/Figure_King_218_098_Primal.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/f6n9m02bx/)

Click on image to open in new tab/window, click again for full size

[nsm034]

Ordered . $117 not too bad for a big masterpeice, still cheaper than a jet :rolleyes:

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Ordered . $117 not too bad for a big masterpeice, still cheaper than a jet :rolleyes:

You got the $10 off right?

[Megatran]

I'm no Beast Wars fan but I'm in an excited state right now. I feel like spankin' that monkey.
A lot of this happening tonight I bet.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

A lot of this happening tonight I bet.

I'm not as young as I used to be, so i'm done...

[nsm034]

You got the $10 off right?

No ? tried to use energon points but broken atm

[jazzcomp]

you have to apply discount code :)

[drifand]

Well it still beats paying over $150 for this piece if you didn't apply the board code.

I bought this for a friend.

[nsm034]

you have to apply discount code :)

Just flicked back through had no idea, emailed them so hopefully ;) Not down with the goss :o

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Via Tagoal (https://twitter.com/tagoal/status/714799001363611648), and also the most recent celebration video (http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/1459253503) (#13):

http://i.imgur.com/O1ksk9S.jpg

He does look good!

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Via DaimChoc (https://www.facebook.com/DaimChocReports/posts/240322822984819) (although not sure where it was taken from or whether it's even official):

http://i.imgur.com/kb0aNyz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lREiGVw.jpg

[MayzaPrime]

I was hoping that we get the skull mace accessory :D

[Verno]

I'd say it's a 3rd Party accessory. I think we've seen everything Primal comes with already.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Stock photos:

http://i.imgur.com/gM0wBjZ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ctLp69I.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vu0HWqA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/20z2Wp2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/e01Ftsq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/6HjybXs.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/OVmlT5D.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8p3jjN2.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/oN8ne2n.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8brPKNM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ry5cRc4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1qOwZt6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/0IrxeS7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QNCgHWL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/lwuIZ8s.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/YXsUSqu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/P8P7OK1.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/y5T9nX6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ghBYQB2.jpg

[FruitBuyer]

Wow, he looks freaking amazing. Really happy I've pre-ordered him.

[Verno]

Is it October yet? Hot damn he looks good!

[TAAUBlaster]

I really like the paint on him! It looks like Takara did an excellent job on it. It's going to be a long wait until October...

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

I'm happy to wait, so long as Takara gets the QC done right and proper!

Please Takara, do it right first time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFp_GHDLKaA

[DELTAprime]

I'd kill to get him early.

People around me better have eyes in the back of their heads.:p

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Hmmm... Anime Export has September as the release date (http://www.anime-export.com/product/31054).

Could be wrong though...

[VGMStudios]

Finally been waiting until AE got the preorder up! Thanks for the link!

Still dont like just how dark his robot feet are though. Everything else is amazing.

[griffin]

Considering all the extra faces they gave him, they could have at least included the original toys' mutant beast face.
But since this a cartoon homage toy (which might be why there is no skull mace), I guess to TakaraTomy the mutant beast face wasn't necessary... and if Hasbro had been doing this toy, they might have included the mutant beast face.

[doublespy]

I'm really glad that they fixed the metallic blue face and belly on the final product. The other gorillas won't be picking on Primal no more!

That shade of deep blue is still not 100% show/biologically accurate though.
http://s28.postimg.org/l6domvp71/optimusprimal.jpg

[laproblematique]

Considering all the extra faces they gave him, they could have at least included the original toys' mutant beast face.
But since this a cartoon homage toy (which might be why there is no skull mace)

China has a ridiculous stance on not showing skulls (among other things) in gaming and media, anybody know if this translates to toys?

[GoktimusPrime]

It'd be neat if the mutant face were included as an exclusive bonus say with Amazon Japan and Hasbro Hong Kong, similar to MP Bumblebee's toy-accurate faceplate.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

If there were a mutant face, it would probably be bundled in with the repaint -- like how Delta Magnus comes with Ultra Magnus' aviator-styled eyes.

[MayzaPrime]

I wonder if we will get Burning Convoy or Universe Primal repaints? :p

[Verno]

I wonder if we will get Burning Convoy or Universe Primal repaints? :p
Burning Convoy (http://www.tfu.info/1998/Cybertron/BurningConvoy/burningconvoy.htm) and Clear Convoy (http://www.tfu.info/1997/Cybertron/ClearConvoy/clearconvoy.htm) are possibilities.

[DELTAprime]

China has a ridiculous stance on not showing skulls (among other things) in gaming and media, anybody know if this translates to toys?

Never been a problem for the Transformers line. The Chinese think skeletons are really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really bad luck. Kinda like how some people here think 13 is unlucky, but the skeleton myth is so prevalent in China that media from the West or Japan will be modified for the Chinese audience. Good luck finding a skeleton in World of Warcraft in China.

[Trent]

I really like the paint on him! It looks like Takara did an excellent job on it. It's going to be a long wait until October...

I heard on a podcast that the fur texture is actually a decal that will be factory applied. So he may be covered in one big sticker.

[DELTAprime]

I heard on a podcast that the fur texture is actually a decal that will be factory applied. So he may be covered in one big sticker.

Is that a joke??? Cause I don't see how they could do stickers on figure with curved parts. G1 Jazz says hello.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

If it is a sticker, it's not going to be a traditional one, probably some printing on a thin film which then bonds to the plastic.

[VGMStudios]

Never been a problem for the Transformers line. The Chinese think skeletons are really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really bad luck. Kinda like how some people here think 13 is unlucky, but the skeleton myth is so prevalent in China that media from the West or Japan will be modified for the Chinese audience. Good luck finding a skeleton in World of Warcraft in China.

So does that mean each and every Chinese person is already cursed with bad luck seeing as they have a skeleton inside them? hehe :D

[Megatran]

No Chinese Collector of MOTU either. :p

[doublespy]

I heard on a podcast that the fur texture is actually a decal that will be factory applied. So he may be covered in one big sticker.

They used what's called hydrographics. It's basically a printing technique on complex shape objects, I.e the fur texture is printed on. There's some texts on the bottom left corner of the hobby king magazine page about it.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

They used what's called hydrographics. It's basically a printing technique on complex shape objects, I.e the fur texture is printed on. There's some texts on the bottom left corner of the hobby king magazine page about it.

Been watching a few vids and the process is amazing! I wonder if Takara will use this further down the line with other releases?

Here're some vids of the process being used for motorcycle parts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CA0DR4GSQg) and car parts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enFSoiCo-lA).

Primal is definitely going to look the business!

[kurdt_the_goat]

Hot damn... I want one of those baths so i can texture up all my furniture! Awesome stuff

[VGMStudios]

Ahh hydo dipping.. Makes sense how they got the texture on it but you will have to be careful. It can chip off.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Some clearer pics (plus a couple we haven't seen) via Dengeki Hobby Web (http://hobby.dengeki.com/news/183850/):

http://i.imgur.com/FX5xB37.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/CnGLp0N.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/nsPLdTi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eehfqyc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vfrS4s3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8hakMl7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/QdK9SaQ.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1cYmbr7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HXLFfJW.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8DKhPz4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/zPQB5W6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/BQs3Ia7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1PKScUG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vC0farq.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KcqnfZM.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xYANMNu.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aSC0jv3.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/dZiUsMb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/97sIp7A.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/vWFCVU7.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/KmATQl9.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/8W0bH40.jpg

[1AZRAEL1]

This will end up on my BW shelf and it has me wondering, it may make the rest of my BW figures look like turds haha

[Verno]

This will end up on my BW shelf and it has me wondering, it may make the rest of my BW figures look like turds haha
No, you just need more than one BW shelf :p One for the originals, one for Generations, and one for MPs.

[1AZRAEL1]

No, you just need more than one BW shelf :p One for the originals, one for Generations, and one for MPs.

I can't do what Hursty has (even though I nearly kept that collection I bought for him) hahah. I don't have many BW figures, just select ones that I really liked in the show. Inferno, Rampage, Transmutate, Ravage, blue TM 2 Megs, TM2 Dinobot, Cheetor, and then Rhinox and Rattrap. Think there is more but can't remember lol

[Verno]

MP Primal will compliment them wonderfully!

[1AZRAEL1]

He really will I reckon. I hope they do more. A better Dinobot would be awesome.

[Verno]

My money would be on a Megatron to go with Optimus. Then, if Takara decides not to continue on with BW MPs, we'll have at least gotten the two leaders.

[Trent]

So I'm reading in a few places that people still think this:

http://i.imgur.com/W9zRYr1.jpg





Is better than this:

http://i.imgur.com/FX5xB37.jpg

Hehe. Hehehehe. Hehe.

Lads need their eyes checked.

[Verno]

The original toy is a classic, and the 10th Anniversary update was a welcome gesture, but this MP is something else. One thing it does do, however, is shows just how good that original toy was.

[1AZRAEL1]

The original toy is a classic, and the 10th Anniversary update was a welcome gesture, but this MP is something else. One thing it does do, however, is shows just how good that original toy was.

Shows how good Beast Wars in general lol. The original toys were great mostly. Rhinox and Rattrap were great updates. The previous updates, Dinobot and Cheetor, were awful though. I would be surprised if Dinobot doesn't get a new update, being a fan favourite

[Verno]

Beast Wars is in a curious position going forward given the small cast but diverse designs. In regards to the prospect of future toys, it doesn't bode well.

Something like an MP Cheetor (or even just a new Generations Cheetor along the lines of Rhinox, Waspy and Rattrap) would need a lot of redesigning in order to get a Tigatron from it. We wouldn't accept a skinny White Tiger, and conversely, nor would we accept a chunky cheetah.

There are characters from the expanded universe who shared the same molds of course. Lazorbeak from a Terrorsaur, Buzz Saw from a Waspinator, Grimlock from a Dinobot, but are they recognisable enough to sell if these redecos ended up on a toy store shelf?

A curious position, and something of a headache for Hasbro who I'm sure would love to give us a line of Generations BW figures, but has to ensure the money still comes in. One thing working in our favour is that next year is a movie year, which equals money coming in regardless.

[doublespy]

Most of the BW show cast have zero repaint prospects and Hasbro still gave us several great Generations updates. That to me says something, and that's why no matter how crappy some of the other figures are I keep supporting the official products when I can. Who knows if they'll give us more BW figs down the line.

[ampoldj]

Takara Tomy Mall has just listed this

http://takaratomymall.jp/shop/g/g4904810861775/

Box size: W240×H240×D85mm
Release date: end of October

Looks like i can stack MP Ironhide, Ratchet and this one :p

[kurdt_the_goat]

I'm really pleased they opted for the fur paint/texture on the MP, cause it means it won't take anything away from the old toy so you can still enjoy it.

[TAAUBlaster]

HLJ have him listed now too. But they're showing September as the release date?
http://www.hlj.com/product/tkt86177

[DELTAprime]

This will end up on my BW shelf and it has me wondering, it may make the rest of my BW figures look like turds haha

Since there is only one BW MP so far I'm going to put this Primal on my BW shelf with all my other BW toys. I have among other things on that shelf the BWR Ultra Primal, Voyager TM Primal and Super TM2 Primal. In fact I feel like BW toys are so close in design to Generations toys I have no problem mixing original BW with Generations.

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Higher res shots available over at Amazon Japan (http://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/product/B01DTS2NP4/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=247&creative=7399&creativeASIN=B01DTS2NP4&linkCode=as2&tag=212112-22).

[1AZRAEL1]

Since there is only one BW MP so far I'm going to put this Primal on my BW shelf with all my other BW toys. I have among other things on that shelf the BWR Ultra Primal, Voyager TM Primal and Super TM2 Primal. In fact I feel like BW toys are so close in design to Generations toys I have no problem mixing original BW with Generations.

My Generations are on my BW shelf too. Completely forgot about Waspy too. Silly me

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Preorder up at AmiAmi (http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?scode=FIGURE-018262&rank=).

[1AZRAEL1]

Preorder up at AmiAmi (http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?scode=FIGURE-018262&rank=).

Heck, that's not a bad price at all

[VGMStudios]

AE is still cheaper. hehe.
Rather surprised by that...

[drifand]

But PC include the diecast mace. lol

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

Looks like the diecast mace accessory (https://www.facebook.com/TransformersAsia/photos/a.280689052030683.49597.175966015836321/792224974210419/?type=3&theater) is the bonus that comes with the Asian edition of Primal -- so probably in lieu of a coin:

http://s23.postimg.org/s2eevnhon/12916753_792224974210419_224570764650629914_o.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/s2eevnhon/)

[BruiseLee]

Looks like the diecast mace accessory (https://www.facebook.com/TransformersAsia/photos/a.280689052030683.49597.175966015836321/792224974210419/?type=3&theater) is the bonus that comes with the Asian edition of Primal -- so probably in lieu of a coin:

http://s23.postimg.org/s2eevnhon/12916753_792224974210419_224570764650629914_o.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/s2eevnhon/)

I'll take this over the coin any day :)

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

I'll take this over the coin any day :)

Same! A way better bonus than any coin! :)

Barring any QC issues, this is already looking like my favourite MP!

[MEEEGGGAAATTTRRROOONNN!!!]

BBTS has updated their Primal with coin listing to Primal with mace (http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=TAK12328&mode=retail), so that's a definite confirmation the mace is in lieu of the coin.

[ampoldj]

But PC include the diecast mace. lol

yeah and they confirmed all orders comes with this...yay! :D