The Doctor Who thread

[GoktimusPrime]

This thread is for any discussion related to Doctor Who. :)

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Anyone else watch the final episode (Journey's End Part 2) of this year's season last Sunday?

Some thoughts about the overall two-parter: (SPOILERS)





+ Wow... talk about a whole massively long series of events coming together into a climax!! Kinda reminds me of the G1 comics (Furman) or Beast Wars... interesting how it crosses over with The Adventures of Sarah Jane and gives birth to the Torchwood TV series.

+ The Meta-Crisis creating three Time Lords was pretty cool as it was effectively seeing three Doctors at the same time! I thought it was a neat idea and something a bit more refreshing/original than merely having the Doctor run into past versions of himself (especially considering that this 10th Doctor has already met the 5th Doctor in the short episode Time Crash (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3ueimUfjTs)). Having said that, the fanboy in me would really love to see the Doctor meet up with previous versions of himself - especially all of them. Yeah, I know they would have to find other actors to play the deceased actors for the first three doctors and Tom Baker has always refused to play the Doctor again (and has never appeared in other episodes where the other Doctors met) - so they would have to find someone to replace the Fourth Doctor too (I'd recommend this actor (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55lfbMr8gqo), he's very convincing!).

+ Meta-Doctor was quite an interesting character... it's like seeing the Doctor devoid of his pacifism which I thought was cool, cos I must admit that ever since I was about 10 or 11, I did wonder what the Doctor would be like if he wasn't such a "wuss" (again, I was only 11 :p) and the Meta-Doctor pretty much answered my question. Comparing the Doctor and the Meta-Doctor is like comparing Optimus Prime with Dai Atlas... and the Doctor's abhorrence toward the Meta-Doctor's extermination of the Daleks reminds me of the way that Japanese TF fans similarly criticise and dislike Dai Atlas for his ruthlessness. But I also like how the Doctor was able to sympathise and rationalise the Meta-Doctor's actions - as essentially being an aspect of himself still emotionally scarred/tormented from the Time War. I also like how the Doctor left Meta-Doctor in Pete's World for Rose to live with... allowing him and Rose to fulfill their unspoken love... awww... so romantic. :) And the fact that the Meta-Doctor, being partially human, would age and perish with Rose (unlike the Doctor, who if he chose to live with Rose, would watch her age and perish while he would regenerate and live on). But this also brings up the question of how the Doctor will change his stance on this issue when he eventually falls deeply in love with River Song (http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/River_Song) in his future (especially knowing that she is destined to "die"... but I suppose that he did give instructions to his past self to "save" her). Hrmm...

+ Doctor Donna was quite interesting - it was really cool to see a female Doctor! At the same time, I liked the tragically melancholy fate that was sealed on Donna as a result of possessing the Doctor's mind. :(

+ Nekkid Meta-Doctor! *teeheehee* David Tennant is widely considered to be one of the best-looking Doctors (rivalling Peter Davison (5th Doctor)). Free beefcake! Tennant is the second youngest person to portray the Doctor (youngest being Davison who was 29 when he began his role as the Doctor). Traditionally the Fourth Doctor has always been my favourite... but this Tenth Doctor has become my second favourite and could possibly overtake the Fourth Doctor as my personal fave! :D

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/thumb/c/c3/10docs.jpg/250px-10docs.jpg (http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/c/c3/10docs.jpg)

[griffin]

I think the idea behind Doctor-Donna was to retcon/disprove the plot device mentioned in the DrWho movie that fans refused to accept - the Doctor being half human. By showing that a human/timelord hybrid could not survive, it effectively over-rules the existing concept and proves that it couldn't be true, or must have been a mistaken assesment by the Master (more fans would now be able to say it now isn't possible, and reject that one-off quote by the Master).

I think the real thing that fans should really be debating about on the final episode, is if he has now used up one of his 12 regenerations.
He said himself that the 'regeneration energy repaired himself, but didn't want to change his form because he liked it, and syphoned that part of the energy to the hand'. His body *generated* the regeneration energy AND it repaired him, like any previous regeneration. Just because he still looks the same, it doesn't mean he didn't regenerate in the visual sense. The Timelords have (apparently) a standard 12 regenerations, and each one could be seen as being like puberty, you can change a lot or a little (or in the doctors case this time, not at all). It is the repairing of a dying Timelord's body that they can only do 12 times, which is what a regeneration is for, not just to the changing of appearance - after all Romana did it a few times in one episode like changing clothes, and it wasn't regenerating. Changing form is obviously something they can do by choice, and not something that has to happen with a regeneration. So in the final episode, he had the regeneration energy repair his body that can only happen 12 times to a Timelord, which effectively means the 10th Doctor is also the 11th Doctor.
I think this is something that the writers will not acknowledge, because they will see regeneration as a visual thing, not an 'energy' based concept, and is gonna bug me the next time they have to change actors and call the next one the 11th Doctor.

[roller]

twas no regeneration he merely used a small portion of regen energy.

Daleks speaking doich , pure gold!!!!

I haven't seen Torchwood season 2 yet, is it set after Dr Who season 4?

Where do the Sarah jane adventures tie in?

I dont like the flashy regenerations of the new series, i'd rather have a cool transformation effect then the voooooooooooooooosh fire vortex everywhere.

Romanna didn't regenerate multiple times she just shaped her body till she got the right 'shape'

I hope the new series make the Valyard appear, he apparently shows up between the 12th-13th regeneration

[Firecracker]

I watched this series some time ago and I must say it was the best season yet! So many plot points from the very first episode onwards tied into the final. Very well written I think. However the thing I enjoyed most about the final... The preview for the Christmas Special: Industrial Revolution Cybermen. Oh yeah. :D

[GoktimusPrime]

I think that this was meant to be like a quasi-regeneration - the Doctor managed to hold himself back from fully regenerating. So it wasn't a full proper regeneration.

I fully agree with the Meta-Crisis thoroughly disproving the whole half-human thing for the Doctor though. I guess it effectively officially retcons the common fan-theory that the Eighth Doctor was suffering from post-regenerative trauma when he made the claim that he was half-human and that the Master was just downright fibbing when he made the claim... the dastardly villain that he is!!


Daleks speaking doich , pure gold!!!!
Yes! Still doesn't explain why the Daleks speak English at most other times when they're not in Britain though... e.g. on Skaro (-_-) I wonder what Dalekese sounds like. :p


I haven't seen Torchwood season 2 yet, is it set after Dr Who season 4?
It's set after this season.

Torchwood
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/thumb/4/4c/The_Torchwood_Team.jpg/250px-The_Torchwood_Team.jpg (http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Torchwood)


Where do the Sarah jane adventures tie in?
Here (http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/The_Sarah_Jane_Adventures) :)

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/tardis/images/thumb/a/a9/Sarah_Jane_Adventures_Logo.jpg/200px-Sarah_Jane_Adventures_Logo.jpg

[Paulbot]

I haven't seen Torchwood season 2 yet, is it set after Dr Who season 4?
It's set after this season.

No it is not. Torchwood series two occurs before the end of Doctor Who series 4. The Doctor Who series 4 finale has big spoilers if you'd not seen all of Torchwood series two.


Yes! Still doesn't explain why the Daleks speak English at most other times when they're not in Britain though... e.g. on Skaro (-_-) I wonder what Dalekese sounds like.

I take it that most of the time we hear the Daleks talking English because they are around characters that the TARDIS is automaticaly translating for (loved the demonstration of that in the Pompeii episode!). Martha no longer has the TARDIS doing that for her so she heard the Daleks using German to speak to the locals.



David Tennant is widely considered to be one of the best-looking Doctors (rivalling Peter Davison (5th Doctor).

Damn straight.

12 regenerations? I'd say they could get around that with a bit of "it seems the limits the Time-Lords had on regeneration have ceased to be, since the Time War changed everything.."

Martha's fate is tragic. Boo! Martha was the best companion so far. I will miss her.

[Lord_Zed]

The last episode of Dr Who was pretty charged I usre enjoyed it. Although I heard rumours David Tennant was doing stage acting now, and so there will be a redcution in episodes next year. :(


(I'd recommend this actor, he's very convincing!).

Yep, he's one of the great mimics from Dead Ringers there's even a soundclip out there where he rings Tom Baker as Dr Who, and Tom Baker play along with him, turns out he rather fancied Davros. :D

Another multiple Doctor ep would be cool, maybe something a little like this http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=VQEmGC6VK8k

[GoktimusPrime]

No it is not. Torchwood series two occurs before the end of Doctor Who series 4. The Doctor Who series 4 finale has big spoilers if you'd not seen all of Torchwood series two.
Eep! I sit corrected!

[Gutsman Heavy]

Paul is on the money deffinetley before DrWho S4, Torchwood S2 is very good, much better than the patchy (imo) first season. Just wait and see what happens in it!

[griffin]

twas no regeneration he merely used a small portion of regen energy.

No, that's the point. Reguardless of how much of the regeneration energy he actually used, a Timelord body can only generate 12 bursts of regeneration energy, and he had one of those 'bursts' in the final episode. It is irrelevant as to what happens to that energy (he used some and focussed the rest into his severed hand), the fact remains, his body has now used up one of his 12 bursts of regeneration energy, and as such, he is now the 11th Doctor (which spawned 2 hybrid human-timelords in the process).

I just feel that the writer threw it in as a cliff-hanger, promo concept, without realising that a regeneration is not a change of form, but a regeneration of the body from a cellular level to save a Timelord from dying - change of form is a side-effect, if they are conscious enough to choose to not to change - thus it counts as a regeneration in terms of previous regenerations.

1st regeneration - body was 900 years old, so probably was just dying from old age.
2nd regeneration - not actually dying, but forced regeneration by the Timelord council. (this one could be claimed to be like Romana's physical changes, and not an actual regeneration - but I think it was definitely stated as a full regeneration in addition to the physical change because the Doctor was very upset about it being done to him)
3rd regeneration - dying from cellular decay from exposure to radiation.
4th regeneration - dying from a fall.
5th regeneration - dying from a toxin.
6th regeneration - maybe dying from a head injury when he was knocked to the floor in the TARDIS.
7th regeneration - dying from gunshot wound and/or surgery on the wound.
8th regeneration - not shown/known
9th regeneration - dying from absorbing space-time energy from Rose.
(10th regeneration) - dying from being shot by a Dalek, doesn't change physical form though.

This wiki article also makes the mistake of saying that a regeneration is just a physical change, not a repair or resurrection of the Timelord, reguardless of a phyiscal change occuring:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doctor_(Doctor_Who)#Regenerations

I just noticed that the actor himself picked up on this as well, wondering if this could be seen as using up one of his regenerations, but will be something they will probably worry about later. Footnote 18 - 'Now, whether this means the Doctor has used up one of his limited regenerations or not is a matter for some future debate, I suspect'

At least someone official has it on the record that this could/should count as a regeneration, because as I keep saying, a physical change is not required for a regeneration to save the life of a Timelord 12 times.

(can you tell that I'm obsessed about this... :p )

[Thanatos]

Haha you guys and your nerdiness...

So yeah... how awesome was the season finale :P

Can't wait to see where they go with it now. Martha was my fave companion but tbh I feel more for Donna's fate, back into the life of nothing on Earth where before she had the time-lord consciousness. Seems a bit rough.

Guess the next part they need to get into is River Song. That arc interests me to no end.

[GoktimusPrime]

You're on a board full of grown adults who play with toys dude. It's agiven. :)


I just noticed that the actor himself picked up on this as well, wondering if this could be seen as using up one of his regenerations, but will be something they will probably worry about later. Footnote 18 - 'Now, whether this means the Doctor has used up one of his limited regenerations or not is a matter for some future debate, I suspect'

At least someone official has it on the record that this could/should count as a regeneration, because as I keep saying, a physical change is not required for a regeneration to save the life of a Timelord 12 times.


Yeah, David Tennant himself is a long-time Doctor Who fan IRL. :) When Chris Eccleston played the Ninth Doctor, the ending credits had his character listed as "Doctor Who." David Tennant on the other hand insisted that his character be listed as "The Doctor," and not "Doctor Who" in the credits. :)

Yeah... I've always found it kinda lame out the Sixth Doctor regenerated into the Seventh Doctor after a mere bump to the noggin'. (-_-) Some fans have speculated that the Doctor was unhappy with this incarnation so when he slipped into unconciousness, he willed himself to regenerate. But yeah... strange how he'll regenerate after a tumble, but can stop himself from fully regenerating after being slain by a Dalek.

I think it's as you said, the writer was looking for an excuse to create an edge-of-your-seat cliffhanger without realising the impact that it may have for overall continuity. Blarg. Hopefully it'll be retconned later as Tennant eluded to.

[Gutsman Heavy]

Out of interest whats everyone fav Doctor?
For me its Christopher Eccleston. He be awesome!

[GoktimusPrime]

Traditionally my favourite Doctor has been the Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker), but the Tenth Doctor (David Tennant) is coming close to being equal fave! I think it's only a matter of time before the 10th Doctor will equal and supercede the Fourth Doctor in my heart!

I also quite like the Seventh Doctor. :)

[roller]

At least someone official has it on the record that this could/should count as a regeneration, because as I keep saying, a physical change is not required for a regeneration to save the life of a Timelord 12 times.

)

No no noooooooooooooooo! :D I shall not count it as a regeneration

The hand doctor is a freak!

we need a nerdy smiley for this thread

Its sooooo hard to find the good Dr who toys in Australia, we mainly get the shelfwarmers, if you fellahs wants the the toys check this primo site

http://www.doctorwhotoys.net/index.htm

i want the 'Classic' Doctors toys and a 9th doctor with moveable legs

[Lord_Zed]

The Tenth Doctor is starting to edge ahead of Tom Baker as my favourte doctor, but he's been aided by some excellant writting. I also have a certain fondness for Sylvester McCoy as he was the new Doctor on the block when I was a kid. Also the first Doctor to be chased up some stairs by a Dalek, That's gotta be the seventh Doctors coolest cliff hanger.

[Vector Sigma 13]

Out of interest whats everyone fav Doctor?
For me its Christopher Eccleston. He be awesome!


I think Eccleston had a lot to offer. I loved the latest series, bit of a sad ending though. (wipes tear from eye)

Some Eccleston Magic:
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=qNEAzJ9H7rU&feature=related

[GoktimusPrime]

I liked the Ninth Doctor as being this "dark" Doctor... emotionally scarred from the Time War - fans commonly speculate that the Eighth Doctor was killed during the Time War, thus regenerating into the Ninth Doctor. The Tenth Doctor did say that the Meta-Doctor was like himself when he first met Rose as the Ninth Doctor; full of anger and emotional trauma from the Time War... and that Rose helped him to heal from that, and that she would do the same for the Meta-Doctor.

[loophole]

My favourite is the 3rd doctor John Pertwee. When ABC started rerunning the Docto Who series from the beginning right to the end i watched it all i even have a Doctor Who costume based on the Tom Baker version.

Know for my small rant i had watched all of the new Doctor Who series except for all of he last one i only watched a couple. Now the current doctor is probally my 2nd favourite of the lot. But i was finding that alot of episodes they had a good strory and would spend the whole episode building up the story usually about how the world was about to end or whatever the situation and then they had to quickly finish the episode and in the last 5-10min the Doctor would just suddenly think of something that would end the coming disaster it all just seemed very rushed and it really put me off it. Maybe i just liked the old ones better where you would see 5/6 episode arc but hey thats just me. I am however going to watch after it all comes out on DVD though.

[GoktimusPrime]

My wife thinks that David Tennant is too skinny - and I like how the series actually makes fun of that. They also make fun of it in Doctor Who spoofs that Tennant appears in. :) Although I'm inclined to agree about Tennant's lanky appearance, I reckon he's got a pretty nice pair of legs on him (as can be seen here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4dUQgIaXGg)*). :D

I like this spoof (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzlOBn029b8&feature=related). The actor playing Tony Blair is Jon Culshaw who also plays the Fourth Doctor in other spoofs like (this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUXYCTMVvg)*). :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/images/173/deadringerstv1.jpg

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*Parental discretion advised

[Me Grimlock!]

I'm still hooked on the thread dangled by the end of series three: As the Master's pyre burns, his ring falls from the corpse and is picked by by a female hand wearing red nail polish. As she lifts it, we hear the Master's manicial laughter.

Master not dead yet?

And where was the Tardis that took him to the end of the universe?

Hmmm.

Maybe the Doctor is the last of the Time Lord's just yet?...

[Lord_Zed]

I'm still hooked on the thread dangled by the end of series three: As the Master's pyre burns, his ring falls from the corpse and is picked by by a female hand wearing red nail polish. As she lifts it, we hear the Master's manicial laughter.

Master not dead yet?

And where was the Tardis that took him to the end of the universe?

Hmmm.

Maybe the Doctor is the last of the Time Lord's just yet?...

The writter said he had no plans to bring the Master back, but wanted to leave the window open. Although if the series goes long enough maybe we'll see the Master return. The Tardis that took him to the end of the universe was the Doctors wasn't it? He did steal it afterall.


I like this spoof (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzlOBn029b8&feature=related). The actor playing Tony Blair is Jon Culshaw who also plays the Fourth Doctor in other spoofs like (this one (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pUXYCTMVvg)*). :)

[img]http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/images/173/deadringerstv1.jpg

Yet another Dead Ringers clip! I know this is a Doctor Who thread, but Dead Ringers is another British show seriously worthy of praise.

And they don't just do Doctor Who they also spoofed Torchwood
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=IRk7USidcYE

[Me Grimlock!]

Ah but there's the thing - yes, the Master stole the Doctor's Tardis, but it could only go from the end of the universe, to the present day. How did the Master go from being released on Gallifrey to when they met him?

He didn't have the Doctor's Tardis at that stage. The writer has also (jokingly) refered to the female hand, as the Hand of the Rani. He's also said it was done to give future writers a means of bringing the Master back if they wanted to.

[Paulbot]

I watched a story from the Second Doctor last night. I'd never seen a series of episodes that were so old before, and from what I've read today "Tomb of the Cybermen" is considered a classic story by the fans. The Second Doctor is more likeable than the photos of him ever made him appear to me.

[roller]

Ah but there's the thing - yes, the Master stole the Doctor's Tardis, but it could only go from the end of the universe, to the present day. How did the Master go from being released on Gallifrey to when they met him?
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well that would have occured during the Time war


In the novel 'the 8 Doctors' the master hides his TARDIS in the vortex

[Burn]

Simple explanation would have been The Master using a Tardis (either one provided by The Time Lords to help fight in the war or one he stole) and fleeing to the future.

Once he got there and used the chameleon thingy to make him human and remove his memories, he would have simply forgotten about it.

So when he got his memories and Time Lord DNA back he no doubt would have remembered his Tardis, but he also would have remembered how much he hated The Doctor. He had The Doctor's Tardis, so why risk making a break for his own when he can still his most hated enemy's and leave The Doctor stranded at the end of the universe

So somewhere, at the end of the universe, is another Tardis. Sitting there, locked down, and lost.

For those who may not know, season 2 of The Sarah Jane Adventures started in the UK last week and season 1 is set to start on the 31st October on Nickelodeon. If you haven't seen it it's aimed at kids but if you're a DW fan you should find it pretty enjoyable.

[Paulbot]

I just rewatched "Utopia" last night. Professer Yana tells that he was found as a child with nothing but the watch. So if he got there in a TARDIS it's long gone since he moved around the galaxy as he grew up.

[Burn]

It's not easy to destroy a Tardis though, so regardless of how long it had been abandoned (anywhere from 60 to a bit over a century) it would no doubt be still out there somewhere.

Unless The Master wanted to hide THAT much that he did destroy it.

[roller]

I just rewatched "Utopia" last night. Professer Yana tells that he was found as a child with nothing but the watch. So if he got there in a TARDIS it's long gone since he moved around the galaxy as he grew up.

Or that could have been a false memory thanks to the chameleon arm thingy

[Lord_Zed]

Maybe he just made an emergency temporal shift, that can't be Dalek only technology.

[Paulbot]

The question about the Master at the end of the universe really is... "what are you doing here?"

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=DtG5dK_HaGg

:D

[Eruntalon]

Does anyone here collect the episode novelizations by Sphere or any of the various Doctor Who comics?

P.S. My Favorite Doctors Would have to be John Pertwee (I just love the '70s cheesiness of these episodes), Tom Baker (I found his reign to be more comical and enjoyable, just quintessential Doctor Who type of stuff), then Christopher Eccleston (I was saddened when he decided to leave for David Tennant as I liked his ruggedness), in that order.

P.P.S. Did anyone else here go to the Doctor Who stage show 'Enter The Tardis' which toured the nation back in 2005?

[roller]

I collected DR Who magazine for the final 8th Dr story, he was one of my dave Dr Whos. I have a few Target ep novelisations books. Most of my books are 8th dr novels

Some comics shops in perth have the Dr Who magazine Trade paper backs of the 6th, 8th,9th and i think 10th doctors.


I was going to go to that 2005 show, but i decided not too, im a cheapskate :rolleyes: I did skip school however and meet Colin Baker!!!! Got a free badge from Galaxy book shop!!! and got the 6th doctors autograph. He was very pleasant, i was surprised because i was the only non hardcore sterotype nerd there

[Eruntalon]

Sorry, I meant Target, not Sphere. Colin Baker would have to have been my least favorite of the Doctors.

[roller]

Eurantalon, why do you collect novelisations of the tv show? Id rather watch the show. The Target novels i have dont seem to expand much on the tv show adventures.

[Sky Shadow]

P.P.S. Did anyone else here go to the Doctor Who stage show 'Enter The Tardis' which toured the nation back in 2005?

Was that with Sylvester McCoy, Colin Baker and Katy Manning? I saw that.

[Eruntalon]

Eurantalon, why do you collect novelisations of the tv show? Id rather watch the show. The Target novels i have dont seem to expand much on the tv show adventures.

Back in the day I used to collect the novels of episodes I had never seen before, before ABC started airing the entire series from the beginning back in 2003. Prior to this I had only ever seen a random selection of episodes from when I was a child. The books were more accessible at the time than the internet and I managed to gather a small collection.



Was that with Sylvester McCoy, Colin Baker and Katy Manning? I saw that.

Yes it was, and it was hosted by Tim Ferguson. Katy Manning kept screaming at the top of her lounges probably shattering glass in the distance. It was a great night, one of the highlights was me witnessing a fan dressed as the Master practicing his impersonations in mirrors of the men's toilets.

[GoktimusPrime]

I used to borrow Dr. Who novels from the school library and read them during roll call periods which had extended "reading time" - thankfully most schools don't do that anymore. While I fully support encouraging kids to read for pleasure, trying to force them to do it during roll call periods in the morning tends to make reading a turn-off to a lot of kids.

[SilverDragon]

I love Doctor Who. My uncle gave me a bunch of old books and things about the series years ago, and I was hooked, to say the least. I've even got a Dalek alarm clock (nothing like being threatened with extermination to get you out of bed in the morning).

Out of the Doctors, I like Jon Pertwee and David Tennant the best, the former since I generally liked all the serials from his era, and the latter because he's awesomesauce.



P.P.S. Did anyone else here go to the Doctor Who stage show 'Enter The Tardis' which toured the nation back in 2005?

*jumps up and down* I did! I did! I didn't ask any questions though-in retrospect, since nearly all of them were 'Did you guys screw your companions in the TARDIS?', anything I would ask would add variety.

There was one kid who had a really good 5th Doctor costume, too.

[GoktimusPrime]

I've seen ads for Torchwood on HDTV, which I don't have. Has anyone been watching it? If so, any good?

[Paulbot]

HDTV? don't know

Torchwood series two? Starts well, goes a bit off the rails, ends well.

[Eruntalon]

HDTV? don't know

Torchwood series two? Starts well, goes a bit off the rails, ends well.

Season three should be interesting if it has Mickey Smith and Martha Jones as part of the cast. I've read it's only going to be made up of five episodes though. It seems as though the next season of Doctor Who is only going to be made of two or three movie-length episodes also. Perhaps these are signs of things winding down for the Doctor Who franchise after the next lot of seasons?

[Paulbot]

I'm not sure Martha will be part of the cast. I read that Freema is going to star in Law and Order: London which is on a different UK network so she's not likely to be on two shows.

The next "season" of Doctor Who is just some telemovies before the new series 'by Steven Moffat . I think partly its to give David Tennant a break to do some other things instead of Doctor Who full time. Hopefully that means he can hang around as the Doctor longer.

[Burn]

Freema's been ruled out because of her filming commitments to L&A:L, though you never know, that could just be a misdirection as well.

However if neither Martha or Mickey appear in next year's Torchwood, I hope they at least explain why considering how this year's DW ended and what it was basically implying.

[jacksplatt11]

David Tennant will leave Doctor Who after 4 specials next year (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7698539.stm)

[SilverDragon]

*insert big NOOOOO here*

Well, he had to leave sometime-and I suppose he should leave before he becomes too attached to the role.

Wouldn't it be ironic if John Simm got to be the next Doctor? The Doctor would be all 'Oh blimey, I've regenerated into my arch-nemesis!'

[roller]

i havent read Jacksplatts link, c'mon it cant be true, Tennant said he would stay on longer then Tom the Baker.

[Burn]

Oh it's very much true.

And I personally am blaming RTD who I believe secretly has a plan to leave the show in an absoloute mess for Stephen Moffett.

[roller]

well i cant be bothered speculating, why read spoilers? if he wants to leave theres not much anyone can do.

Gotta wonder why they chose C.Eccleston as the Doctor, you need an actor who will stick it out for years. Other wise its a waste of a regeneration:p


i saw one of the freaks from the DR Who club WA the other day, sterotype nerds and fanboys they be!

[Burn]

My guess is Eccelston never said to them when he got the job "I only want to do one year" until filming was well under way.

They also probably didn't count on DW being the huge success that it's been.

[Demonac]

I remember reading somewhere that C. Eccelston was only given a 1 year contract to help get Dr. Who going.
David Tennant was always the No.1 choice for the role, but they went for a bigger star to bring in more viewers.

[roller]

i doubt outside of britttttain anyone has heard o eccleston, pre heroes days

[Eruntalon]

i doubt outside of britttttain anyone has heard o eccleston, pre heroes days

I originally recognized him from 28 Days Later, that's about it.

[loophole]

i doubt outside of britttttain anyone has heard o eccleston, pre heroes days

ah hem.. bad guy from Gone in 60 Seconds!! well before heroes:p

[roller]

ah hem.. bad guy from Gone in 60 Seconds!! well before heroes:p

yeah but who in there right mind would watch that abomination? :p

[GoktimusPrime]

I bought a Doctor Who action figure on Thursday. It was C R A P. It seemed to be designed just to be displayed MOSC, in which it looks fine... but once I opened it... zomg... it was horrific! Shoddy quality plastic (nearly like rubber), underwhelming engineering... it did not feel like a fun toy to play with! Luckily for me the Doctor was missing his Sonic Screwdriver, allowing me to claim a refund. (-_-)

It was the first time I ever tried buying a Dr. Who toy and I must say that I'm not impressed.

[Paulbot]

I bought a Doctor Who action figure on Thursday. It was C R A P. It seemed to be designed just to be displayed MOSC, in which it looks fine... but once I opened it... zomg... it was horrific! Shoddy quality plastic (nearly like rubber), underwhelming engineering... it did not feel like a fun toy to play with! Luckily for me the Doctor was missing his Sonic Screwdriver, allowing me to claim a refund. (-_-)

It was the first time I ever tried buying a Dr. Who toy and I must say that I'm not impressed.

I wanted to get a toy of The Doctor but it's always the one missing when I see Doctor Who toys in store. But if they are no good then maybe that's a good thing.

[GoktimusPrime]

I wanted to get a toy of The Doctor but it's always the one missing when I see Doctor Who toys in store
I know! That's why when I saw the Doctor I just grabbed it without hesitation or checking to see if it was complete!! Had I actually looked I would've easily noticed that the toy was missing its sonic screwdriver.

There is this big multi-pack out now with the Doctor and several other characters for $80-90... :/

[Paulbot]

Because I was bored, here's how I'd like the new Doctor to make their entrance.


INT. TARDIS CONTROL ROOM

The doors burst open and Larry runs in carrying the injured Doctor. Sally is close behind.

Larry lays The Doctor lightly on the couch, unsure what to do. The Doctor shakes on the couch moaning softly and regaining consciousness. Sally kneels beside him concerned but stoic.

The Doctor comes to and sees her

SALLY: Doctor?
LARRY: What can we do?

THE DOCTOR: Nothing. The change is already starting.

A pain in his belly makes him sit upright

THE DOCTOR: My body is healing itself.

The Doctor winces and holds his stomach again.

THE DOCTOR: Last time I had a trick up my sleeve, well (shakes his head) not exactly in a sleeve (grimaces). Knocked a couple of regenerations off my total but it's not going to work this time, Oh! (brightens briefly) Unless one of you wants to cut my hand off?

SALLY: (horrified) What!?
LARRY: He's joking. Right?

THE DOCTOR: Yes right. Best not risk it.

The pain comes again but this time he stands up

THE DOCTOR: Gaahhh. Stand back!

Regeneration energy starts to flood from the Doctor's body.

Sally reaches for him.

SALLY: Doctor...
LARRY: Sally...

He grabs her and holds her closer to him as they look on. The flashes of energy light them up until at last it's over. Their eyes widen in shock and surprise.

(together)
LARRY: Doctor?
SALLY: Doctor?

The Doctor is looking at his new form. He now looks like Donna Noble.

THE DOCTOR: You are kidding me!

TO BE CONTINUED

Because Catherine Tate was great in the show! Bring her back. The next episode could explain how the biological metacrisis left an imprint on The Doctor's DNA or something.

And yes I would like "Sparrow and Nightingale" from Blink back in the series as the new companions :)

[roller]

I know! That's why when I saw the Doctor I just grabbed it without hesitation or checking to see if it was complete!! Had I actually looked I would've easily noticed that the toy was missing its sonic screwdriver.

There is this big multi-pack out now with the Doctor and several other characters for $80-90... :/


Wow, ive heaps of Character Options Dr Who toys, and none of mine are crap quality. I know the early early wave 1 figures were shoddy, my 9th Dr toy has crap face paint and my remote Daleks-only 1 works.

Im hoping some shop in Australia gets the Classic 4th,5th and 6th Doctors toys, they look heaps good!!! or, if one of you internet using people does a group order, i would be in

[roller]

woooooooooooooooooooooooooo


found one of the "Classics" Dr Who figures today at an ABC shop. the 5th Doctor

it comes with an 70s sonic screwdriver and a piece of a robot, you have to collect all the classics figures to complete it ala Transmutate

Its heaps fun toy!!! reasonably priced for an ABC shop. 19.95

[GoktimusPrime]

Check out this AWESOME fan-made Doctor Who Animé!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqR8A8ecKWo
:D :)

Makes me wish that someone would really make an actual Dr Who animé.

[Lord_Zed]

Ok, yeah that's cool. Being fan made and true to Dr Who.

What's the bet if a comercial company got a hold of it they would try to Japanesefy it to much, The Doctor would fight a new space monster every episode using his Super Sonic Screw Driver, then the foe would grow to gigantic proportions forcing The Doctor to command the Tardis to transform into a giant robot to slay his foes. :D

[roller]

Hooray!!!

San Deigo Comic Con 1st, 2nd and 3rd Doctors arrived

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa210/Rollerforce/DSCN2882.jpg

thanks to one of my few remaining loyal soldiers

[Kyle]

Not a Doctor Who fan (as I didn't grow up watching it). But the pic is impressive. Well done! So you have every single Doctor now?

[GoktimusPrime]

I picked up a Dr. Who toy once and was thoroughly _unimpressed_ by it. It was the Dave Tennant Doctor toy; got it last year from David Jones (looks very similar to the one in roller's photo, possibly same toy?). Tried playing with it... t'was suck to hell so I took it back. :(

Anyone know when the new Dr. Who series will be out and when it will air on ABC?

[Sky Shadow]

Not a Doctor Who fan (as I didn't grow up watching it). But the pic is impressive. Well done! So you have every single Doctor now?

In that picture, Roller's only missing Sylvester McCoy (The Seventh Doctor) and Paul McGann (Eighth). Very cool.

[Paulbot]

Plus the new 11 who probably doesn't have a toy yet.

The current series of specials is being shown on ABC this year, I think they've shown both the Christmas special and the Doctor Who meets Tomb Raider one.

The new Doctor Who series isn't coming out until next year so wont be on ABC until probably mid-late next year.

[Sky Shadow]

Plus the new 11 who probably doesn't have a toy yet.

Well... yes and he doesn't even exist yet since David Tennant also still has three more episodes. The Tenth Doctor is still like Optimus Prime between The Revenge Of Bruticus and Masquerade. "Rodi... who? No, I'm Optimus Prime. There is no Rodimus Prime." ;)

[Paulbot]

Well... yes and he doesn't even exist yet since David Tennant also still has three more episodes.

From a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, the 11th Doctor has already had adventures on Earth and in space (in what we would consider our past), we just haven't seen them yet ;)

[Sky Shadow]

From a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint, the 11th Doctor has already had adventures on Earth and in space (in what we would consider our past), we just haven't seen them yet ;)

Ah, touché. :D

[Lord_Zed]

Nice collection of Doctors Roller, though the 6th Doctor is enough to blind a person.

Needs more Daleks though. ;)

[GoktimusPrime]

Use some salt & pepper shakers. :p roller also needs the out-of-continuity Peter Cushing Doctor! :)

[roller]

thanks zed top


Gjoktzamus prime, the first 2 waves of the toys all had crap paint apps and problems, i forked out $120 for a remote control dalek 2 pack with 9th doctor, all figure had crap paint and one of the daleks didnt work.

Also the later wave toys have more articulation, the old man 1st doctor can do more kung fu moves then the David tennant toy pictured

[Burn]

The next DW special to air (Waters of Mars) is set to air in autumn in the UK, no dates have been announced.

The other two specials, one of course will be the Christmas special, and i've heard the final Tenant one will be a New Year's special.

ABC however will take their sweet time in airing all three.

[GoktimusPrime]

Who's ever talked into an electric fan to sound like a Dalek? Who still does it from time to time?

<puts hand up> :D

[GoktimusPrime]

List the Doctors in order of preference - i.e. your most favourite to least favourite.

Mine would be:

1: Tom Baker
2: David Tennant
3: Sylvester McCoy
4: Peter Davison
5: Christopher Eccleston
6: Jon Pertwee
7: William Hartnell
8: Patrick Troughton
9: Paul McGann
10: Colin Baker

I've not included Matt Smith cos I've been missing the new series - I gotta catch up and watch more of the new eps before I can decide. :)

[iceburn]

I've not included Matt Smith cos I've been missing the new series - I gotta catch up and watch more of the new eps before I can decide. :)

3 new episodes so far...
i'm not gonna rank the Docs cos i've not watched the eariler older seasons yet. but at current, i'll vote David Tennant as best

[Sky Shadow]

List the Doctors in order of preference - i.e. your most favourite to least favourite.

Sylvester McCoy, William Hartnell, Paul McGann and Tom Baker are the four Doctors who I feel the most nostalgic about. It's hard to compare the 21st century series with the old one... and so far, I think I like Matt Smith better than David Tennant or Christopher Eccleston. (David Tennant would probably be ranked lower than the other two 'new' doctors, but that may just be because he was there for longer and thus got stuck with numerically more sucky episodes.)

Peter Davison, Jon Pertwee, Colin Baker and Patrick Troughton are the Doctors I least care for, although all have their merits. The Pertwee era in particular was certainly revolutionary (and not just because of the advent of colour television.)

[Lord_Zed]

List the Doctors in order of preference - i.e. your most favourite to least favourite.

Mine would be:

1: Tom Baker
2: David Tennant
3: Sylvester McCoy
4: Peter Davison
5: Christopher Eccleston
6: Jon Pertwee
7: William Hartnell
8: Patrick Troughton
9: Paul McGann
10: Colin Baker

I've not included Matt Smith cos I've been missing the new series - I gotta catch up and watch more of the new eps before I can decide. :)

I would concur with your list, except I wouldn't know where to put Patrick Troughton and William Hartnell as I've never watched a full serial of either.

Reading the Wiki on Colin Baker Doctor, makes me feel sorry for the actor, it seems the producers and writters are just as much to blame for his crappy doctor as he was. They could have at least let him wear tastefull clothes.

[5FDP]

Goki: I can't believe you have listed Peter Davidson higher than Jon Pertwee :confused:

At least you have Tom Baker in the right spot ;)

[snaketales]

List the Doctors in order of preference - i.e. your most favourite to least favourite.

1: Tom Baker
2: William Hartnell
3: Peter Davison
4: Jon Pertwee
5: Patrick Troughton
6: Paul McGann
7: Colin Baker*
8: Sylvester McCoy

This is not to say that all the stories of the higher-ranked Doctors are brilliant or that all of the stories of the lower-ranked ones are stinkers. It's my overall impression of them.

My kids would be better judges of who is better amongst the Doctors in the new series (I don't watch it enough to judge).

* If this list included the Missing Adventures novels the 6th Doctor would most likely move up, but I have limited this to TV performances since this is the most accessible medium.

[loophole]

1. Jon Pertwee he is the king!!! introduced u.n.i.t, the master, sarah jane smith and he had a chase scene with the master and they didnt use crappy cars they had HOVERCRAFTS!! you just cant beat that
2. Tom Baker
3. David Tennant
4. William Hartnell

and the rest and dont care too much about

[GoktimusPrime]

I dunno... Jon Pertwee always scared me. I think it's because I was first exposed to him when I watched Worzel Gummidge -- which scared the bejeebus out of me! I dunno why they thought a scarecrow would appeal to kids, cos in my eyes Worzel Gummidge looked like this! (http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/5179/5179.jpg) Can't sleep, scarecrow will eat me... Can't sleep, scarecrow will eat me...

So yeah, when I saw reruns of the Third Doctor, I just kept seeing that scary scarecrow!! :p Maybe I need to watch those eps again now that I'm a tad older. ;)

[Lord_Zed]

For all his flashiness and bravado Pertwee still never made that huge an impression on me. I remember the books his doctor was in better than the episodes.

I dunno maybe If I went back and watched an ep I'd give him a higher spot, but still not in my top 3.

[Gutsman Heavy]

Eccleston FTW, he was my first doctor. *swoon*

[GoktimusPrime]

You grew up with Eccleston? Damn that makes me feel old!

Nostalgia's a big thing though... I grew up with Baker (and he was the longest running Doctor prior to Tennant) - so he's always been my fav. :) Baker is "my Doctor" and everytime I wear a scarf or eat a jelly baby, I secretly pretend that I'm the Doctor. ;D

I love the Dead Ringers spoofs of the Fourth Doctor:
The Doctor buying a wardrobe Tardis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55lfbMr8gqo)
Riding the Eurostar (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q88kt_Vtyl4&feature=fvw)
Speed dating (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0pcIVXjlV8&feature=channel)
Living with Cybermen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYFy5-bFhxE)

Here's some parodies of the Tenth Doctor:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4dUQgIaXGg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyexKUSKFW0

:)

Notice: Video links may contain material unsuitable for children. Parental discretion is advised.

[Gutsman Heavy]

I didn't grow up with Eccleston, I just never watched the show before. I'm 25.

[Sky Shadow]

The Doctor uses the anonymity of his new form to finally sleep with Rose (and not in slash fiction):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k8gJvf2a23Q ;)

[GoktimusPrime]

Is anyone else watching K-9 right now? (Sat 09:30) If so... thoughts?

I haven't seen much of it before, but it seems to be aimed at a younger audience than Doctor Who. It's also an Australian made series which I find interesting since the majority of Doctor Who series (and spin off series) are British made. :)

[Hursticon]

Is anyone else watching K-9 right now? (Sat 09:30) If so... thoughts?

I haven't seen much of it before, but it seems to be aimed at a younger audience than Doctor Who. It's also an Australian made series which I find interesting since the majority of Doctor Who series (and spin off series) are British made. :)

No I honestly haven't seen any of it Goki, what channel is it on?

I'd have to say though, that my top 4 Doctors would have to be:

1. David Tennant
2. Tom Baker
3. Matt Smith
4. John Pertwee

The reason I chose only four is because I honestly haven't seen enough of the other Doctors to really form an opinion apart from Eccleson - his version just never grew on me and I think the reason may be because he was already too well known, I mean once you've heard him ask Nicholas Cage "Do I look like a C!@# to you?, do I?" (Gone in 60 Seconds remake), it's just hard to see him as the Doctor without seeing him as an actor playing the Doctor, does that make sense? :p

[GoktimusPrime]

K-9 is currently airing on Channel Ten Saturday 09:30.
http://ten.com.au/tvguide_synopsis.htm?id=K9_3378204.xml

Btw, while watching last Sunday's episode of Doctor Who I noticed that the director's name was Adam Smith (http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Adam_Smith_(director)) -- my immediate thought was, "Wow, Doctor Who's now being directed by the father of modern economics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Smith)?!" lol :p :D

[GoktimusPrime]

Today I discovered that I'm two degrees of separation from Stewart Sheargold (http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Stewart_Sheargold); one of my colleagues is his aunt! :)

[griffin]

How have people been finding the new doctor and new series (with a new story editor in charge)? I haven't been catching the episodes due to working sundays (and forgetting to tape the first few eps, so didn't bother after that), but am interested in seeing what fans of the new era of Dr Who thinks of this year's series/direction.

[Hursticon]

How have people been finding the new doctor and new series (with a new story editor in charge)? I haven't been catching the episodes due to working sundays (and forgetting to tape the first few eps, so didn't bother after that), but am interested in seeing what fans of the new era of Dr Who thinks of this year's series/direction.

I found it to be really entertaining and very much familiar, whilst being refreshingly new.

Matt Smith as the 11th Doctor reminds me a lot of Tom Baker's Interpretation and I found that this season very much reflected some of the earlier approaches to the series also.

By earlier approaches I mean that the season has one major story arc that commences with the first episode and is slowly eluded to and revealed by the season's end, with the expected twists that the Doctor normally incurs.

Each episode is more or less a self contained story but there is a couple of smaller story arcs that take place over double episodes, but with each story a tiny piece of the main story arc is revealed, though this is barely evident as the pieces are usually dialogue or a couple of frames of a scene. :p

This new season and Doctor is certainly a fresh take on old methods with a splash of updates here and there but certainly doesn't try to break anything that has come before, as it makes it blatantly evident that it is part of a bigger picture but it doesn't make any direct references to happenings in the Tennant or Eccelson* series.

All in all it is a great addition with each episode leaving you wanting to see the next with engaging stories and compelling performances by the main and supporting casts, which in my book is a great thing considering the ridiculous amount of slop on T.V. these days.

Doctor Who (2005 Series 5/The 11th Doctor), Grab it on DVD or Blu-Ray Griffin as you'll definitely love it and you've got to see it before the Christmas Special this year.
(Shhh, I watched this series 2 episodes in advance of the rest of Oz on my PC but I'll leave it to your imagination how) :D:p

[Eruntalon]

I'm going to be blatantly honest with my opinions on Matt Smith as the Doctor. I prefer David Tennant's and Christopher Eccleston's interpretations. I found Matt Smith to be more arrogant, more easily irritated (especially by Amy who always seemed to be being screamed at by the Doctor) and harder to understand.

I enjoyed the last two episodes of 2010's Season 5 the most out of this latest season however, as there was some very deep story lines all coming together at last.

[Gutsman Heavy]

its good. He's no Eccleston, but who is?

[GoktimusPrime]

Smith's not as good as Tennant or Tom Baker, but I don't mind him. :) As Hursti said, there's a continual story arc that runs throughout the entire series; primarily as a backdrop for several stand alone eps, and some story-arc eps... much like Beast Wars really. :D So I found that rather interesting (and somewhat frustrating as it constantly leaves you in suspense!)

P.S. Amy Pond is HAWT.
P.P.S.: Dr. Who Does Comic Relief (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM) - starring Rowan Atkinson as the Ninth Doctor! Veerrry funny! :cool:

[snaketales]

Why is The Creature from the Pit so damn expensive? Every store I have found it at has it marked as $40 - the same price as The Chase/Space Museum box set!
And other single DVDs are the usual $25-30 range.

Given that the Creature from the Pit isn't one of the most highly regarded stories you'd think it'd be one of the cheapest....

Dr. Who Does Comic Relief - starring Rowan Atkinson as the Ninth Doctor! Veerrry funny!

I have that on VHS and dragged it out for the kids to watch last weekend. At the end my six-year-old turned to me and said 'Dad that wasn't very funny'. I guess they're used to Dr Who having always been on TV.

[Paul Agnew]

K-9 is currently airing on Channel Ten Saturday 09:30.
http://ten.com.au/tvguide_synopsis.htm?id=K9_3378204.xml

Saw every episode bar the final, if it helps.

[GoktimusPrime]

Meh, I stopped watching K-9 yonks ago... just lost interest. :/ Been watching Torchwood on ABC2 though. :) I don't quite like it as much as Doctor Who, but enjoy watching a lot more than K-9.

[Burn]

I saw they already had the boxset in at K-Mart.

[Paul Agnew]

I saw they already had the boxset in at K-Mart.

It's cheaper at K-Mart than at the ABC Shop.

[Paulbot]

Elisabeth Sladen has passed away (http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/dw/news/bulletin_110419_01/Elisabeth_Sladen). :(

I've really enjoyed the Sarah Jane Adventures and I am sad to hear this.

[VERT]

So sad to hear this news. Always liked her and watching her on Dr Who when I was a kid :(

[GoktimusPrime]

:( :( :(

[Hursticon]

Unfortunately, I was too young to remember her role in the series and I never saw any of the Sarah Jane Chronicles - Regardless, it is always sad to see the passing of people who made such impacts on TV Shows like Dr. Who. :(

[iceburn]

it's sad that she's died.... God bless her soul

[GoktimusPrime]

I didn't catch the Sarah Jane series, but I did grow up with the Fourth Doctor and fondly remember her as one of his companions. Perhaps now she is in the big TARDIS in the sky reunited with the Third Doctor and the Brigadier. :)

[Paul Agnew]

Perhaps now she is in the big TARDIS in the sky reunited with the Third Doctor and the Brigadier. :)

Not to mention Harry Sullivan. ;)

[Sky Shadow]

Holy crud - that sucks. (And she's the wrong species to have her regenerate for the next season of the Sarah Jane Adventures.)

[Paulbot]

From what I read last night, there's three new stories already completed for series five of Sarah Jane Adventures. Hopefully they'll show them.

(I'd also like it if in a year or two, Clyde or Rani made an appearance on Doctor Who and mentioned Sarah Jane and Luke are still protecting the Earth from Bannerman Road.)

[snaketales]

Went to JBs today to spend some of my Nexus loot and found it was the last day of their 20% off dvds sale (altho I'm sure there'll be another)
Picked up some Dr Who DVDs - The Ark and the Mara boxset

Really like how both the VHS blurb and DVD blurb don't give away the twist in The Ark

[jimoinj]

This thread's too long, we need another one.

Anyway what do people think of season 6, and Matt Smiths' Doctor. I didn't like it at first. Like the end of season 5, overly complex and implausible. But I've enjoyed some of the later stories in the season, particularly the God Complex, The Girl Who Waited and Closing Time. How about you guys?

[Gutsman Heavy]

I dislike Amy and despise River Song.
Season 6 was a chore to get though.

[VERT]

I dislike Amy and despise River Song.
Season 6 was a chore to get though.

Turn this post around and thats me :D Like and like :D

[jimoinj]

Vert - presumably without the 'it's a chore' part as well. ;)

[GoktimusPrime]

I cannot find any action figures of the Seventh Doctor in his white coat and hat - other than those big packs with every Doctor, but I only want the Seventh Doctor in that costume

[snaketales]

This thread's too long, we need another one.

Anyway what do people think of season 6


I loved the War Games, The Invasion was OK but a bit long and I fell asleep during the Krotons.


What?


:D

[Autocon]

So this season 7, the Dr will die? Will the answer to the question Dr Who will be answered?

[VERT]

Vert - presumably without the 'it's a chore' part as well. ;)

Well yeah I enjoyed watching it :D

[Hursticon]

Turn this post around and thats me :D Like and like :D

Same here, I quite like both characters although admittedly I haven't watched this latest season completely yet, beyond the first episode :o, even though I have the lot - I'm looking forward to sitting down and watching a good chunk of it. ;):cool:

[GoktimusPrime]

Yes, much ranga lurv for Amy Pond. <3 <3 <3

[Hursticon]

Yes, much ranga lurv for Amy Pond. <3 <3 <3

Add the fact that she's a Scott? - Hursticon pleased. :D:cool:

[Paul Agnew]

I loved the War Games, The Invasion was OK but a bit long and I fell asleep during the Krotons.


What?


:D

What about poor old The Mind Robber? :p

[VERT]

Add the fact that she's a Scott? - Hursticon pleased. :D:cool:

Im married to a red headed scot :D

[GoktimusPrime]

I'm gonna guess that you guys meant "Scot" (pertaining to Scotland) and not Scott (the boy's name). ;)

[VERT]

Well Mr smarty pants I guess since you have met her the answer should be easy :rolleyes:

[Paul Agnew]

Good news, everyone!

http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2011/12/dwn111211160008-two-doctor-who-episodes.html

The BBC revealed today that two complete episodes of Doctor Who have been returned to the BBC Archives.

Firstly, the complete third episode of the William Hartnell story Galaxy 4, Air Lock has been recovered - prior to this only a short segment from the first episode remained in the archive with no telesnaps taken to show how the third episode and its characters would have looked.

Secondly, the complete second episode of Patrick Troughton's third story The Underwater Menace has also been recovered - making this the earliest complete episode for the Second Doctor to now exist in the Archives (alongside the existing episode three).

Both episodes were found via former TVS engineer Terry Burnett, who bought them at a school fête in Marchwood, Southampton back in the 1980s!

[Hursticon]

Im married to a red headed scot :D

You sir, were either very lucky or chose rather well! :D


I'm gonna guess that you guys meant "Scot" (pertaining to Scotland) and not Scott (the boy's name). ;)

Oh bloody hell! :o:p


Good news, everyone!

http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2011/12/dwn111211160008-two-doctor-who-episodes.html

The BBC revealed today that two complete episodes of Doctor Who have been returned to the BBC Archives.

Firstly, the complete third episode of the William Hartnell story Galaxy 4, Air Lock has been recovered - prior to this only a short segment from the first episode remained in the archive with no telesnaps taken to show how the third episode and its characters would have looked.

Secondly, the complete second episode of Patrick Troughton's third story The Underwater Menace has also been recovered - making this the earliest complete episode for the Second Doctor to now exist in the Archives (alongside the existing episode three).

Both episodes were found via former TVS engineer Terry Burnett, who bought them at a school fête in Marchwood, Southampton back in the 1980s!

This is extremely awesome news, great to hear! :D:cool:

[snaketales]

Good news, everyone!

http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2011/12/dwn111211160008-two-doctor-who-episodes.html

The BBC revealed today that two complete episodes of Doctor Who have been returned to the BBC Archives.

Firstly, the complete third episode of the William Hartnell story Galaxy 4, Air Lock has been recovered - prior to this only a short segment from the first episode remained in the archive with no telesnaps taken to show how the third episode and its characters would have looked.

Secondly, the complete second episode of Patrick Troughton's third story The Underwater Menace has also been recovered - making this the earliest complete episode for the Second Doctor to now exist in the Archives (alongside the existing episode three).

Both episodes were found via former TVS engineer Terry Burnett, who bought them at a school fête in Marchwood, Southampton back in the 1980s!

I just found out about this :o.... HURRAH!

Happy as I am for any missing episodes to be recovered.... why couldn't it be Tenth Planet 4 or Daleks Masterplan 12 instead of Underwater Menace 2?

[jazzy_josh]

I actually have a friend that works on the old episodes in re-editing them, his name is aaron and he told me from day one but when I saw his name pop up I must admit I was all noob like saying "I know that guy!"so funny lol.

[Hursticon]

I actually have a friend that works on the old episodes in re-editing them, his name is aaron and he told me from day one but when I saw his name pop up I must admit I was all noob like saying "I know that guy!"so funny lol.

Sounds like he is an extremely lucky bloke dude, a rare opportunity indeed! :eek::cool:

[GoktimusPrime]

I only just found out about this -- although it happened several weeks ago...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-18531461

[KalEl]

i didn't know this thread existed :(

[GoktimusPrime]

\(^O^)/ http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/gif_g1-bumblebeedance.gifYES!! (http://blastr.com/2012/07/tom-baker-will-return-for.php)http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/gif_g1-cliffjumperdance.gif :D

[KalEl]

\(^O^)/ http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/gif_g1-bumblebeedance.gifYES!! (http://blastr.com/2012/07/tom-baker-will-return-for.php)http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/gif_g1-cliffjumperdance.gif :D

:D :D :D

[jazzcomp]

Whatever happened to Jenny?

[5FDP]

\(^O^)/ http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/gif_g1-bumblebeedance.gifYES!! (http://blastr.com/2012/07/tom-baker-will-return-for.php)http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/gif_g1-cliffjumperdance.gif :D

Heard about that this morning. That's awesome news :cool:

[GoktimusPrime]

Whatever happened to Jenny?
She blasted off into space to have her own adventures (which have yet to be seen/read/heard). The interesting thing about Jenny was that she was played by Georgia Moffett who is:
1. The daughter of Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor.
2. Married to David Tennant, the Tenth Doctor.
...so it's kinda like she's the Doctor's daughter and wife IRL -- incestuous! (jkz) :p

[GoktimusPrime]

Whatever happened to Jenny?
She blasted off into space to have her own adventures (which have yet to be seen/read/heard). The interesting thing about Jenny was that she was played by Georgia Moffett who is:
1. The daughter of Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor.
2. Married to David Tennant, the Tenth Doctor.
...so it's kinda like she's the Doctor's daughter and wife IRL! (jkz) :p :p

[GoktimusPrime]

Whatever happened to Jenny?
She blasted off into space to have her own adventures (which have yet to be seen/read/heard). The interesting thing about Jenny was that she was played by Georgia Moffett who is:
1. The daughter of Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor.
2. Married to David Tennant, the Tenth Doctor.
...so it's kinda like she's the Doctor's daughter and wife IRL! (jkz) :p :p
http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Jenny_%28The_Doctor%27s_Daughter%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Moffett

[jazzcomp]

Thanks! That's a nice bit of trivia. Was just wondering if she was ever inserted back in any of the series since some specials have all companions and others come back for a role. I didn't see her in anything else after blasting off.

[Verno]

So, who's seen it?

[Gutsman Heavy]

I have, considering how face-meltingly horrible last season was I was expecting it to be bad. It isn't! One of the best ep's since the style shift and Davies departure.

[Verno]

---General Spoiler Alert---

We've seen in a previous episode that when Rose Tyler touched a Dalek it brought it back to full power because she was covered in time travel juice or something.

Yet when Rory touched the Dalek, it had no effect. Did I miss something?

Another pretty girl in a DW episode. I'm not complaining, but its a nod towards a shift in audience perhaps.

When did we learn that Amelia couldn't have kids?

[KalEl]

Has the new series aired yet? (Here)

[Paulbot]

---General Spoiler Alert---

We've seen in a previous episode that when Rose Tyler touched a Dalek it brought it back to full power because she was covered in time travel juice or something.

Yet when Rory touched the Dalek, it had no effect. Did I miss something?

Another pretty girl in a DW episode. I'm not complaining, but its a nod towards a shift in audience perhaps.

When did we learn that Amelia couldn't have kids?

The Dalek Rose touched was low in power, but the ones in the Asylum just seem to be asleep. It takes them a while to wake up in this episode. (You could also say it had something to do with Rose's connection to the heart of the Tardis stretching back and forth through time)

I think this episode was the revelation of Amy's infertility. Of course she has had a child who she and Rory 'raised' as kids and who, now grown up, pops in for tea every now and then.

I've read quite a bit since watching the premiere about the surprise in this episode but hadn't been following the gossip so I missed the degrees of the twist. I did think that Oswin had "companion" written all over her so it will be interesting to see how that plays out.

The thing I really didn't get though, and haven't been able to find an answer to, is where did all these Daleks come from? They keep killing off the Daleks forever but they keep coming back. Last I recall there were the few multi-coloured ones but now suddenly there's thousands/millions of them again?
:confused:



Has the new series aired yet? (Here)

The first episode can be watched on ABC IView. It's on regular TV this weekend.

[Verno]

My fear is that the writers are turning the Daleks into the Borg, with the hive mind thing, and hacking into the mind of one can transmit something between them all.

Given Oswin's last line in the episode was 'Remember me' and given the events of Rory and Amelia's wedding... You could surmise they're going to bring her back somehow.

[liegeprime]

Im so much a noob to DW.... didn't even know about it until I migrated here. It was never shown in Phils, even in the English cable channels ( dunno why it's a splendid show from what Ive seen so far). Since I've kinda viewed only a few episodes and haven't really fully embraced it, it really confuses me when Im watching some episodes. Time travel scientific jargon ( or made up ones hehehe) really is quite headache inducing if I think too much about it, so I just enjoy the show whatever it presents ehehhe.

One character that I really really enjoyed watching is River Song. Especially lie her trademark "Hello Sweetie" words to the doctor :D:D:D. Whenever I hear that it reminds me of her :D:D

[KalEl]

First ep was fantastic!

[GoktimusPrime]

Loved the new ep :) Incredible how this episode made me care more for a single Dalek than the Michael Bay movies ever made me emotionally invest in any of the Decepticons (or most of the Autobots for that matter). Also the first time the Doctor ever came to like a Dalek... though arguably because it was a convert and not a "pure" Dalek, but still... this would have to be the closest that the Doctor's come to having had a Dalek friend.


Another pretty girl in a DW episode. I'm not complaining, but its a nod towards a shift in audience perhaps.
Jack Harkness was pretty good looking; maybe he could make a return cameo again. And my wife reckons Rory's a looker (despite the schnoz :p). David Tennant was also not bad looking either. ;)

[KalEl]

Loved the new ep :) Incredible how this episode made me care more for a single Dalek than the Michael Bay movies ever made me emotionally invest in any of the Decepticons (or most of the Autobots for that matter). Also the first time the Doctor ever came to like a Dalek... though arguably because it was a convert and not a "pure" Dalek, but still... this would have to be the closest that the Doctor's come to having had a Dalek friend.

The DR Who writers are brilliant!

[Autocon]

WAIT! where are you watching these? Its not on till Saturday?:mad:

[Paulbot]

WAIT! where are you watching these? Its not on till Saturday?:mad:


The first episode can be watched on ABC IView. It's on regular TV this weekend.

Get on the Iview website. They are showing it online first to stop piracy and it's been a huge hit, their highest rating program on Iview.

[Autocon]

Alas Im capped atm :(

[Paul Agnew]

I have, considering how face-meltingly horrible last season was I was expecting it to be bad. It isn't! One of the best ep's since the style shift and Davies departure.

That pretty much covers it. n/t

[Autocon]

So how does she become human again to be the companion? Will this be the last series? Interesting ep look forward to more:D

[Paul Agnew]

I did think that Oswin had "companion" written all over her.

Yes, in more ways than one. ;)

[Hursticon]

I have absolutely adored the latest Eps of the 11th, especially seeing as though I've been able to see them within hours of their airing in Britain courtesy of ABC's iView; Good lord! the Doctor knows how to choose future companions though huh? - Very, very nice. ;):D

[jazzcomp]

Farewell! :( Amy and Rory

[Seraphim Prime]

Such a good episode!

Was actually crying man-tears at a number of points in the episode. I loved River Song's return appearance, and the way she just understands the Doctor is fantastic. The perfect complement to the Doctor, and I can think of none better to make the perfect wife for the Doctor.

I think one of the neat things about the Doctor's new companion, is that he never met Oswin Oswauld in person, so if there is indeed a connection between the two, he's not going to know. It's going to be interesting to see things play out. If there's been one thing that Stephen Moffat has been good at is the long-term mystery with large pay-off at the final reveal.

[liegeprime]

aaargh missed it, stupid channel has very poor reception , that I forgot to go to it... must watch it online instead, love River Song character!

[Vector Sigma 13]

I initially wasn't fond of Matt Smith but he has grown on me and now I've caught up on all the recent series. Latest episode was ok- was kind of wondering where Amy and Rory would part company and wasn't really expecting it to happen as it did. I'm intrigued on how the rest of the new series will play out.

[jazzcomp]

Yeah, it's very tough to replace David T.

[snaketales]

Bought 'The Ambassadors of Death' from JB today - it's the last Doctor Who story that still exists on film that I have not seen.

Also took advantage of JBs sale and bought the Ace adventures box set for half-price. I did not like the Seventh Doctor's TV shows when I first watched them, but if the price is right....

[GoktimusPrime]

The Seventh Doctor is the only Doctor who's had some form of contact with the Transformers' universe. ;) (re: Death's Head & the Crossroads of Time)

[snaketales]

Not quite - the Eighth Doctor is aware of it, albeit only in a fictional state.

This is from TV Tropes. I have read the book it's from, but can't remember which one it is.

"Someone," Compassion said, "has been watching too much Saturday-morning TV."
"There was a time when it always seemed to be Saturday when I was on Earth, and the children's programmes were excellent, if my memory doesn't cheat." He made folding motions with his hand and muttered something that sounded to Fitz like "robots in disguise". The Doctor grinned, disarmingly.

Ah-ha! It's from The Taking of Planet 5... which is about fictional things becoming real, so who's to say whatever the Doctor watched didn't become real? As real as things can get in fiction anyway :p

[GoktimusPrime]

I'm talking about in-universe encounters, not 'fictitious' ones. The Seventh Doctor encountered Death's Head who had a slight advantage over him being Transformer sized -- the Doctor ended up shrinking Death's Head down to human size and then transported him out of the Transformers' universe.

In terms of in-universe fictitious encounters, Starscream once did pick up a broadcast of Revelation of the Daleks featuring the Sixth Doctor. Then there's the Decepticon ruler Octus whose alt mode is a Dalek Travel Machine. ;)

[snaketales]

Death's Head was already out of the Transformers universe when he met the Doctor - they collided in the time vortex (in The Crossroads of Time) after Death's Head had jumped into Unicron's time portal at the end of the Legacy of Unicron.

Addition: by the way, in this case I'm refering to 'universe' as a physical space. In terms of 'universe' as encompassing the characters within the Transformers milieu then Death's Head is still in there.

My head hurts now :D

[GoktimusPrime]

Yeah, that's why I said "some form of contact" with the Transformers universe -- i.e. he encountered a being from the TF universe. It's closer than any other incarnation of the Doctor has ever come to "touching" the TF universe AFAIK. :p

[GoktimusPrime]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/spoileralert.jpg
Spoiler Warning: contains spoilers from the 2012 Xmas Special
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Interesting to see the Great Intelligence return -- an enemy that was previously faced by the _Second_ Doctor! (first seen in the partially lost series "The Abominable Snowmen." Although the 2012 Xmas special chronologically occurs nearly a century before the Doctor first encounters them, which is why the GI doesn't recognise the Doctor, but the Doctor recognises the GI and even produces a map of the 1967 Underground where the Second Doctor had encountered the Great Intelligence (in "The Web of Fear", which was also the episode that saw the debut of the Brigadier).

Also cool to see Oswin return, even if she feels a bit like a universal singularity munchkin. :p

[Hursticon]

Also cool to see Oswin return, even if she feels a bit like a universal singularity munchkin. :p

That suits me just fine; I like Oswin for many reasons but mainly because she is so very different from Amelia Pond ;), of whom I very nearly came to tears the 1st time I saw her 'farewell' episode - That close with the 'fade-to-black' of 'Young' Amy just really drove it all home. :o:p

[snaketales]

Picked up the Legacy box set today, with jb's 20% off... now all I have to do is figure out where to put it - with the rest of season 17 stories or with the Lost in Time set?

[Paul Agnew]

Picked up the Legacy box set today, with jb's 20% off... now all I have to do is figure out where to put it - with the rest of season 17 stories or with the Lost in Time set?

Put the 'Shada' disc with the rest of season 17, and the '30 Years' disc between 'Survival' and the 'TV Movie'. :cool:

[GoktimusPrime]

My first Doctor Who meme ;)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/meme_dalekfan_zps93f9b76d.jpg

[Ultra Mackness]

I used to do that when the fan was going, but that was years ago.

Who am I kidding, I still do that :o

[Paul Agnew]

My first Doctor Who meme ;)
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/meme_dalekfan_zps93f9b76d.jpg

Goktimus, you'd better prepare to get the tissues out and wipe up your mess off the fan, as Raymond P. Cusick, designer of the original Daleks, has died:

http://www.doctorwhonews.net/2013/02/raymond-cusick-230213232008.html

[GoktimusPrime]

What if Doctor Who (11th) Was a Cheesy 16-bit RPG? (http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2013/03/what-if-doctor-who-was-a-cheesy-16-bit-rpg/) :D :)

[Ultra Mackness]

Thanks Gok, I loved this and it made my day! I still have a working Amiga 500 system (with the 1 meg upgrade!) that I still play golden classics like Turrican, Robocop, shadow of the beast etc. on so I hope somebody actually makes this game!

[GoktimusPrime]

Superman X Doctor Who (http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/599547_571899562829379_849681647_n.jpg)

[GoktimusPrime]

So who else saw "The Bells of Saint John" tonight? Thoughts?

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/avatars/spoileralert.jpg

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The mystery of Clara Oswald thickens - she certainly is unlike any of the Doctor's previous companions. It seems that the writers are attempting to "outdo" Amy Pond in terms of saddling the Doctor up with a character of immense pre-destined universal importance. Part of me kinda misses the old days when the Doctor's companions were often just ordinary folks who happened to do extraordinary things and become extraordinary people through their adventures with the Doctor... rather than having it all be pre-ordained. Having everything being set kinda takes the fun out of it. :/

But on the other hand, it is kinda interesting to see this Clara Oswald make links with the previous one. It's almost as if the Eleventh incarnation of the Doctor is meeting the third incarnation of Clara Oswald (well, second incarnation considering that Oswin was from the future... wibbly wobbly... :p). The Great Intelligence is back as the principal villain, a character that the Doctor actually first encountered in his Second incarnation ("The Web of Fear", 1967/8), but from the Great Intelligence's POV, it first encountered the Eleventh Doctor in Victorian England ("The Snowmen"). I'm not sure why I feel this way... I mean, previously they had Amy's crack (in the wall) recur across multiple episodes, then the image of the lady appearing with the eyepatch on... and yeah, it's cool in that it creates this massive epic, "Oooh, so that's why--!" feeling at the end of the series with the big reveal... but... I dunno... part of me misses the eps where every story wasn't necessarily intertwined with each other. Maybe because I feel that we've already had enough of it - and it was nice - but can we move back to just having a series of stand alone stories? Does every Doctor Who series have to have a recurring theme to it now?? :confused:

[SMHFConvoy]

It would seem so. Also it's a big anniversary year for Who so they're planning something big. Noticed that the spectre of Amy Pond is still floating around (it's kind of blatant.)

[Spitcurlboy]

Noticed that the spectre of Amy Pond is still floating around (it's kind of blatant.)

the Amelia Williams book?

[SMHFConvoy]

the Amelia Williams book?

Yep.

[GoktimusPrime]

Well Amy and Rory did go back in time thanks to the Weeping Angels, and of course wrote the book "Melody Malone" for the Doctor... so evidently she continued her career as a writer of other books back in the time that she ended up living in w/ Rory.

[seespotrun]

We've seen the Doctor run around with companions who start off as ordinary people (Donna Noble, Rose Tyler). It's an interesting change have a companion who's intriguing from the start. Reminds me of the 2009 Easter special, "Planet of the Dead".

At least there doesn't seem to be any half-assed boyfriend tag-along this time. I've always felt sorry for Mickey and Rory. They never got the same love as the other companions, but then, the story was never about them.

[SMHFConvoy]

To expand upon your comment about Amy and Rory's last episode, I think it was mentioned in an earlier ep that Amy had become a travel writer.

[snaketales]

I bit the bullet and bought The Aztecs special edition today.
I already have it on DVD but wanted the special edition for the Galaxy 4 reconstruction, with the recently found episode 3.
It was a real treat watching something that's been lost for 40+ years. Some nice directorial touches in it too and it was great to see the Rills in the flesh and their base.
I do have the Loose Canon reconstruction of this story and was struck by the similarities between thr two. I suspect there was some sharing? I didn't check the credits closely.

[GoktimusPrime]

Tonight's episode of Doctor Who is the only one in this series that wasn't storyboarded by Andrew Wildman ;) Here (http://wildwords.wordpress.com/2013/04/06/clara-enters-the-tardis/) is Wildman's storyboard from last week's episode showing Clara entering and exiting the Tardis and there's a video embed down the bottom that shows how it turned out in the episode itself. :)

[Paul Agnew]

[QUOTE=snaketales;349342
I do have the Loose Canon reconstruction of this story and was struck by the similarities between thr two. I suspect there was some sharing? I didn't check the credits closely.[/QUOTE]

Not impossible to assume. Apparently the Restoration Team used the Loose Cannon recon of 'The Tenth Planet' as a base for their own back in 1999.

[snaketales]

Not impossible to assume. Apparently the Restoration Team used the Loose Cannon recon of 'The Tenth Planet' as a base for their own back in 1999.

Now that's one story I'm hanging out to see on DVD. Wonder if they'll reuse that recon or animate the missing episode a la Reign of Terror and The Invasion.
I think I'd rather the recon be reused so it could flow into what little footage does exist of episode 4.

[GoktimusPrime]

retcon = retroactive continuity
recon = reconnaissance
:)

[Paul Agnew]

Now that's one story I'm hanging out to see on DVD. Wonder if they'll reuse that recon or animate the missing episode a la Reign of Terror and The Invasion.
I think I'd rather the recon be reused so it could flow into what little footage does exist of episode 4.

'The Tenth Planet', along with 'The Ice Warriors' (and possibly 'The Moonbase') are set to be animated and released later this year. The First Doctor's outro will be done by the same company that handled 'The Reign of Terror', while a new company are working on 'The Ice Warriors'.

Though I've heard rumours the original recon (or at least the telesnaps) might see a release in some form, unless I'm misremembering.

[Demonac]

retcon = retroactive continuity
recon = reconnaissance
:)

Recon can also mean recondition, or reconstruction.
And probably lots of other things, depending on the context.

[SMHFConvoy]

Last night's episode was I don't know... It was baaad. Anniversary year and they're not bringing their A-game.

[Autocon]

Yep the episode just didn't gel. :(

[Paul Agnew]

snaketales, here is the preview listing for the upcoming DVD of 'The Ice Warriors':

The Ice Warriors
Release date: 28 Aug 2013 AUS


Starring Patrick Troughton as Doctor Who, Frazer Hines as Jamie, and Deborah Watling as Victoria
Written by Brian Hayles
Directed by Derek Martinus

Broadcast: Sat 11 Nov - Sat 16 Dec 1967

In the distant future, Earth faces a new Ice Age. While a dedicated team of scientists battle to hold the approaching glaciers at bay, a startling discovery is made deep within the ice… an alien warrior, frozen for millennia. When the Doctor, Jamie and Victoria arrive they soon discover Earth is under threat from the Ice Warriors – fearsome Martians intent on conquering our planet for themselves…


Special Features: Disc One
•Commentary - Episodes 1, 4, 5, 6 with actors Frazer Hines, Deborah Watling and Sonny Caldinez, designer Jeremy Davies and grams operator Pat Heigham, moderated by Toby Hadoke
•Commentary - Episode 2 made up of original archive recordings or readings of text written by Brian Hayles, Derek Martinus, Martin Baugh, Bernard Bresslaw, Peter Barkworth, Wendy Gifford and Sylvia James
•Commentary - Episode 3 with Michael Troughton (Patrick Troughton's son)
•Programme subtitles
•Subtitle Production Notes


Special Features: Disc Two
•Cold Fusion (dur. 24’31”) – Cast and crew look back at the making of the story. With actors Frazer Hines, Deborah Watling and Sonny Caldinez, designer Jeremy Davies, and James Bresslaw (son of the late actor Bernard Bresslaw)
•Beneath the Ice (dur. 10’31”) - A look behind the scenes of the animated Ice Warrior episodes. Producers Chris Chapman and Niel Bushnell, together with animation director Chris Chatterton from Qurios lift the lid on the process used to bring Varga and his Warriors back to life
•VHS Links (dur. 19’19”) – the introduction to the story and linking material covering the two missing episodes, as used on the VHS release of the story in 1998. Includes the BBC Video “Adjust your tracking control” caption for a true sense of nostalgia!
•Blue Peter Design-a-Monster (dur. 10’04”) – the competition launch and subsequent winners of the 1967 Design-a-Monster competition, which ran during the transmission of The Ice Warriors
•Doctor Who Stories – Frazer Hines part two (dur. 13’ 48”) - the second part of this interview with Frazer Hines shot in 2004 for The Story of Doctor Who looks at his later appearances in the series
•Photo Gallery (dur. 3’53”) - production, design and publicity photos from the story
•Coming Soon (dur. 1 min approx) - a trailer for a forthcoming DVD release
•Radio Times Listings in Adobe PDF format
•Programme subtitles

And for a preview of how they will cover the missing episodes:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHCBB9nCQAE0OgF.jpg

[GoktimusPrime]

There's a rumour going around that they're going to reveal the Doctor's real name. So before that happens (if it happens), let's have fun speculating about what we would like his real name to be, or should be.

I'd like to see it as this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hu_(surname)). ;)

[SMHFConvoy]

There's a rumour going around that they're going to reveal the Doctor's real name...

And that's the fixed point in time when I stop watching Doctor Who :p

[Ultra Mackness]

We got his nickname in "The Armageddon Factor" from Drax - "Thete" short for Theta Sigma. Maybe his name/s begin "Th" and "S"? Unless theta sigma was a fraternity within the Prydonian academy, or a category for renegades from that chapter?

[GoktimusPrime]

Perhaps Thete/Theta is a reference to the Deca - the group of rebellious Time Lords that the Doctor (and the Master) were members of in his youth. Deca sounds the same as the Greek word for 'ten' (Deka), which in Greek is spelt delta-epsilon-kappa-alpha (δέκα), but in Modern Greek Delta is pronounced more like the voiced dental plosive "th" (similar to how it's pronounced in English "then, though, bother etc.); and indeed that's the sound that delta represents in the International Phonetic Alphabet (e.g. "than" is phonetically spelt /δæn/). It was pronounced more like /d/ in Classical (Ancient) Greek, but there's evidently been a consonant shift since then. Phonetically 'theta' represents the voiceless dental fricative* "th", similar to how 'th' is pronounced in English words like thought, moth, think etc.).

So maaaaaaybe Theta is a reference to the Deca (if one were to misspell it in Greek with a Theta instead of a Delta). No idea what the Sigma might represent though... that my theory is a load of Sigma-Kappa-Alpha-Tau-Alpha? :p ;)

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*In some other English dialects it's a voiceless dental plosive, like in some Irish accents (listen to the way Qantas CEO Alan Joyce pronounces "thousand" (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nM7q1Jr_eQo#t=23s) - that's similar to how Theta is/was pronounced in Classical/Ancient Greek. The way most Australians pronounce it is more similar to Modern Greek.

[Ultra Mackness]

Pronunciation aside, I always found it rather perplexing that an academy on Galifrey would resort to using an alphabet from Earth of all places?!

That said I figured that the nickname, like nicknames on Earth, was given due to the Doctor's interest in this planet. Was Earth his thesis topic? Could explain why he took off in an old type 40 - the campus headline could be "Disgruntled honours student breaks in to near disused storage room. Takes equipment noone really knew or cared was there." :)

So then I was thinking why Theta Sigma? Time Lord society is Science and Math based. In maths (here on Earth anyway), theta is generally used to represent the unknown angle in a right triangle, capital Sigma is used to represent summation and lower case sigma to represent a standard deviation from the average. My take is that because the Doctor's views on Time Lord society were different from most other Time Lords, you could think of him as being at an angle to what is "right" in that society. Using lower case sigma, you could also think of the Doctor as not being average, in both personality and intelligence, he would be a standard deviation from the average. Hence Theta sigma.

[GoktimusPrime]

Pronunciation aside, I always found it rather perplexing that an academy on Galifrey would resort to using an alphabet from Earth of all places?!
Perhaps that Alphabet originated on Gallifrey and the Doctor or some other Time Lord gave it to the humans? :p Then there's Cybertron where they use Greek/Latin based names... and also names based on concepts that wouldn't even exist on Cybertron, e.g. Bumblebee, Hound etc. :eek:

Maybe they represent numbers -- in Classical Greek Theta = 9, and Sigma = 200. <shrugs>

[SMHFConvoy]

Last weeks episode was good, tonight's was even better. Let's keep that up shall we?

[KalEl]

Last weeks episode was good, tonight's was even better. Let's keep that up shall we?

agreed

[Autocon]

Bob. Thats his name:D

[SMHFConvoy]

No it's, Joey Joe Joe jr Shabadoo

[GoktimusPrime]

Perhaps his name is a piece of punctuation (which is unlawful in Australia, but perhaps not on Gallifrey). Perhaps his name is ? ;)

[Ultra Mackness]

Perhaps his name is a piece of punctuation (which is unlawful in Australia, but perhaps not on Gallifrey). Perhaps his name is ? ;)

Similar to the way that the singer Prince "renamed" himself as Symbol back in the late nineties?

Maybe his name is not even a sound or a symbol. Maybe it is simply an idea causes fear in the heart of evil doers and promotes courage in the hearts of those that wish to battle evil?

[GoktimusPrime]

http://paintdoktahwho.tumblr.com/post/48825926623/by-k-m-anthony

[Paul Agnew]

There's a rumour going around that they're going to reveal the Doctor's real name.

Rumour, Goktimus? That depends whether you've seen the title for the final episode of the season or not.

[GoktimusPrime]

Been avoiding all spoilers including episode titles. :o

[snaketales]

According to doctorwhonews.net, the Tenth Planet DVD will have both animated and telesnap recons of episode 4.
It will be released first as part of a 'regenerations' box set, then individually later in the year.

Also looks like The Moonbase is going to get an individual release. The only two surviving episodes were on the Lost in Time DVD. The lost two will be animated for the individual release.

[Golden Phoenix]

Oh how I have the hots even more so for Clara now that she plays with a G1 Galvatron figure for a little bit at the end of latest episode....... :o

[VERT]

Really wow. Yeah im looking forward to seeing her with Galvatron wh:Den I watch it tonight

[MayzaPrime]

I love how Clara said "I'm the boss" while playing with Galvatron

[GoktimusPrime]

That was weird... seems unlikely that these people who happen to have a vintage 1986 G1 Galvatron just sitting on the kitchen bench. A more recent TF (like say TFPRiD Megatron) might make more sense. Then again, it makes perfect sense when you consider that this series was story boarded by Andrew Wildman. ;)

[Golden Phoenix]

That was weird... seems unlikely that these people who happen to have a vintage 1986 G1 Galvatron just sitting on the kitchen bench. A more recent TF (like say TFPRiD Megatron) might make more sense. Then again, it makes perfect sense when you consider that this series was story boarded by Andrew Wildman. ;)

Maybe one of the kids or the parents are a huge TF fan and has a huge TF collection that we simply haven't seen.

[Paul Agnew]

I love how Clara said "I'm the boss" while playing with Galvatron

Of couse he's the boss. Galvatron can be any boss he wants! :eek:

[GoktimusPrime]

Of couse he's the boss. Galvatron can be any boss he wants! :eek:
...'cept this kind of Boss. ;) :p

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y227/goktimusprime/Transformers/th_meme_boss.jpg

[Autocon]

I must have missed it!:confused:

[jazzcomp]

you can watch it on Iview.

[Golden Phoenix]

I must have missed it!:confused:

It was just at the end, before the credits.
http://www.majhost.com/gallery/jimmey-11/other/theboss.jpg

[GoktimusPrime]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/947391_593074637392110_1779095366_n.png

[Hursticon]

I'd just like to say that Clara Oswin Oswald is entirely *Swoon...* :D
She's gorgeous, equally as much as Amelia Pond but for completely different reasons; but back to the Doctor...

Argh!!! - I don't want to have to wait until November 23rd! :eek:
(Somebody invent a T.A.R.D.I.S. already! :p)

Being able to do nothing but watch Television whilst recovering from eye surgery, I've been playing a helluva lot of catch-up with various series and I've really enjoyed 'The Impossible Girl' arc thus far; The 50th Anniversary episode can't come swift enough. :cool:

[KalEl]

I'd just like to say that Clara Oswin Oswald is entirely *Swoon...* :D
She's gorgeous, equally as much as Amelia Pond but for completely different reasons; but back to the Doctor...

Argh!!! - I don't want to have to wait until November 23rd! :eek:
(Somebody invent a T.A.R.D.I.S. already! :p)

Being able to do nothing but watch Television whilst recovering from eye surgery, I've been playing a helluva lot of catch-up with various series and I've really enjoyed 'The Impossible Girl' arc thus far; The 50th Anniversary episode can't come swift enough. :cool:

Dude im right with you, CLARA :D in love with that girl!

[GoktimusPrime]

I'd just like to say that Clara Oswin Oswald is entirely *Swoon...* :D
She's gorgeous, equally as much as Amelia Pond but for completely different reasons; but back to the Doctor...
Eeeh, there's one part of her and Amy that I don't find physically appealing... (ask me next time IRL if you really wanna know)


Argh!!! - I don't want to have to wait until November 23rd! :eek:
(Somebody invent a T.A.R.D.I.S. already! :p)
Done (http://oyster.ignimgs.com/wordpress/stg.ign.com/2012/12/cushing-tardis.jpg). ;)

[VERT]

Bad news today and so not happy about it.....But had to happen one day :(
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/Matt-Smith-to-leave-Doctor-Who

[GoktimusPrime]

I actually wouldn't mind seeing him regenerate into John Hurt as the 12th Doctor. It would harken back to the old days when the first three doctors were played by older actors. It might also mean that the show might go back to seeing the show being somewhat more "scifi" and the Doctor being a sleuth rather than the more action-hero orientated series we've had since the Third Doctor, especially with the 9th-11th Doctors. But maybe that wouldn't have as much of a mass appeal to the general viewing public.

[VERT]

But it cant be John Hurt.They are looking for the next Dr. Hurt was already a Dr that we just dont know about....yet ;)

[Burn]

I don't think we'll ever see another "old" Doctor (aside from John Hurt).

I'm fairly certain there was a throw away comment back in the old series that when a Time Lord regenerates they get a new younger body. If you look at the Classic series the Doctor does get younger with each passing regeneration.

So with that ... the next Doctor will probably be a 14 year old kid.

[Seraphim Prime]

Sad to see Matt go. He brought a great enthusiasm into the role and a wonderful bond with the three (four if you count River, 7 if you count Vashtry & co.) companions.

But they're going to have to revisit this thirteen regenerations rule soon, given that we're about to get Doctor XIII (counting Hurt's Doctor as a past regeneration, and not counting the 2nd Tennant Regeneration).

[GoktimusPrime]

I don't think we'll ever see another "old" Doctor (aside from John Hurt).

I'm fairly certain there was a throw away comment back in the old series that when a Time Lord regenerates they get a new younger body. If you look at the Classic series the Doctor does get younger with each passing regeneration.

So with that ... the next Doctor will probably be a 14 year old kid.
The Third Doctor looked older than the Second, the Seventh Doctor appeared older than the Fifth and Sixth Doctors, and the Ninth Doctor looked older than the Eighth. The Master's incarnations haven't always consistently looked younger as he's regenerated either.

[VERT]

Sad to see Matt go. He brought a great enthusiasm into the role and a wonderful bond with the three (four if you count River, 7 if you count Vashtry & co.) companions.

But they're going to have to revisit this thirteen regenerations rule soon, given that we're about to get Doctor XIII (counting Hurt's Doctor as a past regeneration, and not counting the 2nd Tennant Regeneration).

I think River gave him all her lives to save him once. Its an easy way out of the 13 regeneration's problem.


On a different related Dr thing.What ever happened to the Drs cloned daughter? She Dies and comes back to life and flys off in a shuttle. Never seen again.

[Burn]

The Third Doctor looked older than the Second, the Seventh Doctor appeared older than the Fifth and Sixth Doctors, and the Ninth Doctor looked older than the Eighth. The Master's incarnations haven't always consistently looked younger as he's regenerated either.

As I said, it was a passing comment.

Troughton and Pertwee always looked the same age to me. And of course by the time McCoy had come along that line had probably been long forgotten.

And then there's that line in a Sarah Jane episode about The Doctor having much more than 12 regenerations.
(We might get an answer about that when we get John Hurt's story. Hint of The Valeyard maybe?)

[SMHFConvoy]

And then there's that line in a Sarah Jane episode about The Doctor having much more than 12 regenerations.

I bring that quote up to a friend from time to time and he still doesn't believe me :D

[Paulbot]

I love how in Time Crash, The Doctor recalls how when he started out he was always try to be old and grumpy and important like you do when you're young.


I bring that quote up to a friend from time to time and he still doesn't believe me :D

Given the number of people on other sites talking about the "limited number" it surprises me how many Doctor Who fans didn't watch The Sarah Jane Adentures. And even if they didn't want to watch a "kid's show" surely the episodes with The Doctor himself guest starring were worth watching? (They were and the entire series is fun but it's got one heck of a unintentionally sad ending )

The "12 regenerations was a Time Lord rule and the Time Lords no longer exist" is my favourite fan retcon of it all.


On a different related Dr thing.What ever happened to the Drs cloned daughter? She Dies and comes back to life and flys off in a shuttle. Never seen again.

Or she time travelled, regenerated, and actually has appeared again and we didn't know it?

[Golden Phoenix]

On a different related Dr thing.What ever happened to the Drs cloned daughter? She Dies and comes back to life and flys off in a shuttle. Never seen again.

Interesting note about her. The actress is the daughter of Peter Davison who played the 5th Doctor. She got married to David Tenant.

So she really was the Doctor's daughter.....who then married the Doctor... :S
Maybe they were from the Deep South of Gallifrey......................

[Burn]

I was thinking this morning how Rupert Grint might be a good replacement (and The Doctor could finally be a ginger).

Turns out he's already a favourite (http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-who-rupert-grint-russell-1927048).

I wouldn't mind seeing Martin Freeman as well.

I do wish this whole "he should become a she" stuff would go away though.

[SMHFConvoy]

Well Burn, the Doctor has said that he's always wanted to be a ginger... :p

[Hursticon]

Or she time travelled, regenerated, and actually has appeared again and we didn't know it?

Oh I'll be annoyed if they pull something like that, probably as annoyed as I presently am that they've never done anything with her character since her creation. :rolleyes:


Interesting note about her. The actress is the daughter of Peter Davison who played the 5th Doctor. She got married to David Tenant.

So she really was the Doctor's daughter.....who then married the Doctor... :S
Maybe they were from the Deep South of Gallifrey......................

Hehe, I laughed good at that one. :p:D
It is a weird series of coincidences regarding that relationship huh? :eek:


I do wish this whole "he should become a she" stuff would go away though.

Agreed, it makes no sense at all - That would be a perfect opportunity for said Clone-Daughter; Personally, I simply want the next Doctor to be British - That's all. ;):cool:

[Burn]

ugh ... they're really being serious about it (http://www.blastr.com/2013-6-3/who-producers-reported-considering-time-lady-12th-doctor).
(Even though I shouldn't believe anything reported by The Sun)

[BigTransformerTrev]

On a different related Dr thing.What ever happened to the Drs cloned daughter? She Dies and comes back to life and flys off in a shuttle. Never seen again.

Yeah, my wife and I loved her - she was awesome!


I do wish this whole "he should become a she" stuff would go away though.


ugh ... they're really being serious about it (http://www.blastr.com/2013-6-3/who-producers-reported-considering-time-lady-12th-doctor).
(Even though I shouldn't believe anything reported by The Sun)

Did anyone see the Comedy Relief Doctor Who ep with Rowan Atkinson years ago? The doctor ends up as a woman at the end. Hilarious!

"I've got Dalek Bumps!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do-wDPoC6GM

[Paul Agnew]

the next Doctor will probably be a 14 year old kid.

In a bid to win over the ever-decreasing younger audience, no doubt? :eek:

[GoktimusPrime]

I do wish this whole "he should become a she" stuff would go away though.
I personally wouldn't mind seeing the Doctor regenerate into a woman. Considering how regeneration works, there's absolutely no reason why it can't happen, and canonically at least one other Time Lord has changed genders between regenerations (The Corsair). It would arguably give the series a more science fiction element and help make the Doctor much more alien, because he is an alien. We have species on Earth that can change genders during their life cycles, why can't we see a sentient alien do this? It seems to be a massive genetic fluke that the Doctor seems to constantly regenerate into a Caucasian male. River Song demonstrated that one can change skin colour between regenerations.

[Burn]

Because it wouldn't be done for the purposes you mentioned, it would be done for simple attention seeking purposes and because "Moffatt likes to really shake DW up!"

Plus with accusations flying around that the show is sexist or racist because he's always been a Caucasian male, that's even more reason to not do it.

[GoktimusPrime]

...yeah, I wouldn't like to see it done for those reasons. It should be done for more legitimate scifi reasons. Maybe make him an androgenous blue humanoid. ;)

[Demonac]

A female doctor would be good.
It would make a change from the 'damsel in distress' scenario (River Song helped with that a bit though).

[BigTransformerTrev]

A female doctor would be good.
It would make a change from the 'damsel in distress' scenario (River Song helped with that a bit though).

Well, all my female friends that like the show have all at one point drooled over one or the other of the last 3 Doctors (mostly the first two) so maybe it's the boys turn. And it would certainly add an extra dimension to all these female companions that constantly flirt with the Doc or go in for the pash ;) I mean considering the companions and the doc are different species, a little thing like being the same gender should just be a triviality!