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Verno
28th June 2009, 09:11 PM
The word in reference to the Transformers Universe(s) should simply be laughed at.

I've spent the afternoon reading different articles on Transformers Wiki and such and for every article there are 3 others that contradict it, and those 3 don't see eye to eye either.

Prima was the first Transformer but got given the Matrix by Primon.. Then who the frack is Primon?

Optimus was given the Matrix from Sentinal Prime. But the Matrix was in Alpha Trion's possession, who in turn gave it to Orion Pax after he repaired him and thus turned him into Optimus Prime.

Not to mention some forgotten Matrix-bearing leaders who visit Rodimus Prime in a vision, yet you can trace the Matrix from Prima, to Nova Prime to Sentinal to Optimus. ... You've got to be kidding.

So.

I'm going to write my own Universe. The Vernon Universe. I'll pick what I like, write bits in that need writing, re-write bits that need re-writing, cut bits out that need cutting and eventually come up with a Universe that actually makes sense and progresses without contradiction.

It will be based around Beast Wars of course and I'll work back from there.

As I see there to be no real official canon, I feel more than free to do this.

It will take a long time and I have a lot more reading and writing to do. But I assure you this: I will have a Transformers Universe that makes sense!

Paulbot
28th June 2009, 09:47 PM
I had been thinking of posting my take on a combined TF universe but you've beat me to it. There are some things, like Animated, that are so stand alone though I wouldn't touch, but things like RID and Armada I think could be combined with G1 and Beast Wars.

TheDirtyDigger
28th June 2009, 10:19 PM
The Diggerverse is at a nexus point for many different overlapping realities. That's how Tf's from all different lines exist there. (Except Beast Wars. In the Diggerverse that never, ever happened)

excelonzero
29th June 2009, 01:47 AM
I've all ways been a "Fractal Multiverse" guy

Hell even the "G1 cartoon" continuums number a minumum of 4 different timescapes

G1 (jp) -> Headmasters -> Victory -> MasterForce -> Beastwars
G1 (us) -> Beast Wars

This then doubled by the inclusion of "Beast Machines/Beasy Wars Returns"
( I know many who deny these lines of reality)

I lost count of all the probbabilities in the general Mish Mash(1) at the end of Armada.....




(1) The Guide describes the WSOGMM as a way of understanding the sum of parallel universes in creation (in this context, creation is best described to a casual observer as spacetime). The theory of WSOGMM states that parallel universes are not parallel as such but rather each universe is simply a quantum physical perception of the same construct, which is the WSOGMM.
(from H2G2 Wiki under Sector ZZ9 Plural Z Alpha)

GoktimusPrime
29th June 2009, 01:02 PM
The Transformers universe is actually a multiverse - i.e.: multiple universes. There are certain multiversal singularities within these multiverses (e.g. Unicron), but they are otherwise separate worlds. Though as excelonzero said, are parallel worlds. The Shattered Glass universe is an example of a mirrored parallel world.


Prima was the first Transformer but got given the Matrix by Primon.. Then who the frack is Primon?
This is a contradiction created by Simon Furman because in the G1 comics it's stated that Prima is the first heir to the Matrix, and thus assumed to be the first of Primus' 13 children. Later on when Furman wrote "Reaching the Omega Point," there is a recount of the Liege Maximo tearing the Matrix out of Primon's chest.

Some postulate that Primon is an incredibly ancient being who may not only predate Prima, but possibly predate the creation of Cybertron itself (remembering that Cybertron was originally an organic world - something which has been established across at least two universes (and is probably another multiversal singularity).


Optimus was given the Matrix from Sentinal Prime. But the Matrix was in Alpha Trion's possession, who in turn gave it to Orion Pax after he repaired him and thus turned him into Optimus Prime.
In the G1 comics Optimus Prime inherited the Matrix from Sentinel Prime, whereas in the G1 cartoon Alpha Trion rebuilt Orion Pax as Optimus Prime and gave him the Matrix. So both accounts are correct but come from different universes.


Not to mention some forgotten Matrix-bearing leaders who visit Rodimus Prime in a vision, yet you can trace the Matrix from Prima, to Nova Prime to Sentinal to Optimus. ... You've got to be kidding.
Again - multiverse. :) Also, in G1 it was Prime Nova, not Nova Prime. Nova Prime is the name of a character from IDW's G1 universe - possibly the same character but varied name. Nova Prime became Nemesis Prime after he and the crew of his Ark fell to a blasphemous state of undeath after travelling to Hellthe Dead Universe. ;)


I'm going to write my own Universe. The Vernon Universe. I'll pick what I like, write bits in that need writing, re-write bits that need re-writing, cut bits out that need cutting and eventually come up with a Universe that actually makes sense and progresses without contradiction.

It will be based around Beast Wars of course and I'll work back from there.

As I see there to be no real official canon, I feel more than free to do this.

It will take a long time and I have a lot more reading and writing to do. But I assure you this: I will have a Transformers Universe that makes sense!
The advantage of having a universe written by one writer at the one time! :) The reason why the Transformers multiverse is so convoluted of course is that it's been written over a period of 25 years by several different writers, some of whom didn't bother to confer with other writers about what they were doing. e.g.: Bob Budiansky didn't confer with Simon Furman (Furman had to retcon things when Budiansky would later contradict him, e.g.: clone Megatron) etc.

Verno
29th June 2009, 05:27 PM
The advantage of having a universe written by one writer at the one time! :) The reason why the Transformers multiverse is so convoluted of course is that it's been written over a period of 25 years by several different writers, some of whom didn't bother to confer with other writers about what they were doing. e.g.: Bob Budiansky didn't confer with Simon Furman (Furman had to retcon things when Budiansky would later contradict him, e.g.: clone Megatron) etc.

And thus why I feel so free to contradict it myself :p