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+1 :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartrim
I wanna see the fanboy rage when Bay announces a MOTU movie
If people are seriously this pissed off about a TMNT Bay movie, I'd hate to see what you're all like when you really have something to be pissed off about. It's called perspective people - get some ;)
Just because you are unhappy with the direction of a movie about a franchise you are fond of doesn't mean that one has "lost perspective".Quote:
Originally Posted by 5FDP
LOLQuote:
Originally Posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
here's a favourite of mine - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IXCK1EyP4s
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Originally Posted by 5FDP
LOL. Michael Bay has the power!!!!!!!:p
I agree about the whole perspective thing. To be honest I'm not too thrilled about the whole alien thing but I haven't uttered one expletive over the situation because like you said there are worse things in life to be upset about. I'll just wait for the end result.
Hopefully Bay will not 'ghost direct' and make this into 'Tenage Alien Ninja Turtles: Revenge of the Shredder' or 'Dark of Dimension X'.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
If it was any other person involved with this film, I would have given more of a benefit of the doubt but this is Michael Bay who we are talking about here.
<removes fanboy goggles>
When you think about it, the original origin story of the turtles is pretty ridiculous. Four pet turtles drop into a sewer and swim in radioactive goo that does more than just mutate them -- it evolves them into these anthropomorphic humanoid turtle things. Oh, and a rat who happens to know ninjutsu because his owner was a ninja master and the rat copied his master's katas (cos ya know, imitating forms alone will teach you mastery in a martial art :rolleyes:). W h a t ? ? Mind you, the 80s cartoon's Splinter origin where he was the ninja master who had his genes crossed with a sewer rat makes more sense insofar as why he knows ninjutsu and can teach it (the biological side on the other hand is just as ridiculous, if not even more so (-_-)).
If you look at it from the POV of someone who knows nothing about ninja turtles... it's a lot to swallow. It might work for a comic book, kid's cartoon and kid's movies, but if you want to "mature" it and expand it for a wider audience, then it might need to be tweaked. Aliens and mythological creatures is a more convenient/plausible excuse because they can be almost anything and you don't need to create an excuse of why they look like that. Why are they giant humanoid animals? Cos they're aliens.
But the problem of making them aliens creates a new set of issues.
1/ Are they still mutants? If everyone from their planet looks like humanoid animals, then isn't that just normal for them? What's that? They're lactose intolerant?? Okay, they're mutants then. :p
2/ The concept of being teenagers is a rather humancentric concept, particularly based on a base 10 counting system (because humans have 10 fingers - the 6 fingered Sontarans in Doctor Who use a 6-base counting system; so it stands to reason that 6 fingered alien turtles would be more like to use a 6-base numeric system wouldn't it?) Teenagers for humans represent the transition from juveniles to adulthood, whereas marine turtles can take decades before reaching physical maturity (which isn't too surprising considering that many species can live for over 100 years).
3/ How are they ninjas? Don't tell me that their planet just happens to have a martial art identical to Ninjutsu and they just happen to call their practitioners ninjas. Oh, and they happen to wield Japanese peasant weapons. Unless: (a) they learn ninjutsu after arriving on Earth, or (b) a human just refers to them as ninjas because that's what it looks like to them (kinda like how "Superman" was a name given to Kal-El by Lois Lane - it wasn't originally his idea). But then... what's with the bandana-masks?? I've never quite understood why the ninja turtles hide their faces. But I think the cartoon explained it asSplinter^the audience being able to tell them apart easier. :p (although originally they all wore red bandanas)
I forgot aboout the rat mimicking his owners katas. Even though I've only got just over 2 years martial arts training under my belt I still majorly loled at this.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Thinking about your last paragraph. Do you think it would be feasable that they dont call themselves Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles? Maybe they think the are normal arrive on earth and by the way they look and behave a human coins the name? They look like mutant turtles who have awesome fighting skills that some uneducated (in martial arts) human generalises as ninja skills and they act abit immature like teens. Just throwing it out there.
I don't recall aliens in the boardgame 'Battleship' but they're in the movie. Grrrr :mad: ;) :D
Just noticed this thread. Ninja Turtles from space. Hmmm the idea dosen't blow my mind but I'll give it a chance if it does happen just for the sake of a different movie to watch...
Maybe the turtles can be chased to Earth by that pink brain thing from the old cartoon or something...
I've been thinking about that movie. Apart from the title and it involves boats how else is that movie linked to the board game?Quote:
Originally Posted by 5FDP
I know! They should totally have gigantic red and white pegs falling from the sky and impaling sections of boats and submarines! Keeled my childhoodz!! :p :p
Edit: Unless the aliens are those red and white pegs! :eek:
Bay said it to get everyone talking about it. And now we are. I've hemmed and hawed about this. I'm just not going to see this film. Laird's comment is quiet level headed and as he said, he doesn't own the turtles any more. So Nickelodeon and Paramount can do as they please.Quote:
I don't even think about Bay ruining childhoods and all that tripe, but I do wonder how he could come out and say something so totally stupid about a very popular series that explains exactly what you get in the brand name!
Krang.. my favourite..Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay-Tron
if you can dodge a wrench...;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Prowl
Naw your wrong. He can and will destroy my childhood hero's.
I'm just hoping Peter will set him straight.
aliens ...what a concept, cause you know THATS more believable.
Meh! Everyone knows the Toxic Avenger is the earths true mutant hero.
And stop reminding me how ludicrous all my favourite old childhood shows are. No wonder it's hard to get into new kids shows, my suspension of disbelief is no longer preconditioned to accept such ridiculous premise.
Anyway absolutely tragic having Bay attached to this new movie, cause the old live actions were such awesome examples of film in their day, how will Bay ever compete? :p
The first film was genuinely awesome, and one of the most successful independent films of the time.
I thought it was totally tubular. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gutsman Heavy
I forgot that people used to say tubular..OH THE HORROR! :eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulbot
I remember when the first movie came out - my teacher said to us, "That film has 172 acts of violence" and we were all like, "Cccooooolll!" :D The line just to see that movie was hectic -- went around the block! :eek:
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Originally Posted by Lord_Zed
**shake fist in the air**
YOU SEE WHAT YOU DID MICHAEL?... YOU SEE WHAT YOU DID?
YOU'RE DESTROYING OUR COMMUNITY!
*** SOB ***
Lol
Has there been a date attached to this rad flick yet? - I thoroughly enjoyed Bay's Transformers flicks, as well as Platinum Dunes' re-envisionings of various Horror film classics. :)
The name 'Platinum Dunes' must be ironic. A more appropriate name for that production company would be 'Barrel Bottom'. :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
Another comment from Peter Laird <---clarifying his previous one
Well I am pretty sure that we all know what this movie will be as Bay seems to involve himself too much (even as a producer) and he is very 'consistent' in his ways and attitudes when dealing with established franchises and film making. As Laird mentioned, it is indeed 'possible' that the movie may turn out good but given Bay's track record, I think that the possibility is as remote as the end of the world on the 21st of December.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Why always so negative kup? You should be hopeful that you will enjoy the movie or at least TMNT is making a comeback. With all your hate towards the TF movies I am really wonder why you still even have an interest in transformers at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
TMNT went away to require a comeback? Wow, I must have gone into hibernation or something for like 20 years as I thought that there was a theatrically released movie only a couple of years ago along with a long running cartoon series and ongoing toyline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullcruncher
And also, I didn't know that liking Bayformers was a mandatory requirement to enjoying the Transformers franchise.
It is. <throws.a.boxload.of.Bumblebees@you> :p :pQuote:
Originally Posted by kup
P.S.: This :)
@Skullcruncher
Sorry if I sounded annoyed but this is the sort of ill informed attitude that was used by Bay and co with Transformers. Their attitude was all about 'This was a dead franchise until Bay picked it up and saved it from oblivion' when the line had been perfectly healthy and successful for about 20 years.
Wow that must have been a pretty blockbuster movie, I don't even recall seeing a preview for it at the theaters. Actually I was referring to the amout of attention TMNT is now receiving - its getting a lot more attention many people will feel likes its coming back as it did when it originally was popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
No you dont have to like bayformers but I don't know how anyone can constantly spill out hate towards them and cannot accept them for what they are.
No apology needed but as above the movies breathed fresh life into transformers no matter what you think of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
I guess overwhelmingly negative attention could be seen as positive by some.Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullcruncher
BTW, the last Turtle movie was pretty high profile and it had a lot of things attached including merchandising, specials and whatnot. The cartoon series was also well known and ran from 2003 and fairly prominent with attached toy lines that ran for years.
Just because you have not heard of them doesn't mean the world hasn't. ;)
When it comes to "fresh life" for Transformers..all I will say is: Bumblebees for everyone! :p
Yeah, TMNT did get a lot of promotion. I remember seeing the trailers in cinemas and I did go watch it in a theatre (while on honeymoon :p). I found it to be a quite enjoyable film given its young target audience. :) There were also lots of toys pumped out for it too -- I personally picked up the four Turtles.
I personally wouldn't say the movies "breathed fresh life" into Transformers (I would reserve that honour for Beast Wars*) -- but it certainly has massively boosted the popularity of Transformers and thrust it into the mainstream public consciousness. Sales of TF toys doubled after the 2007 movie came out.
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*Transformers was already a popular and successful brand before the movies came along. In fact, it was because of the Transformers' increasing strength that Hasbro decided to have a live action movie made. Beast Wars came along after the Transformers brand had nearly completely died after the fall of G1 and the failure of G2 to adequately restore the brand - about a year after Beast Wars came out Transformers changed from being a near-extinct toy brand to being the 3rd best selling boys' toyline in the U.S. (next to Toy Story and Star Wars).
Dunno, I just did a quick survey in my work place of 9 people, only one person knew there was a tmnt movie in the works yet 8 people remembered the original turtles cartoon and only 1 knew it had been continuing over the last few years.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
Please forgive me for not knowing there was a cartoon series in 2003 -
at that particular time I was at uni, studing and enjoying my time with uni related activities the last thing I would want to do is concern myself with any cartoons.
Stating that someone hasn't heard of something but the world has is quite offensive, but actually in this case laughable considering I'd consider myself quite active in the world. If you want to get personal please continue.
Yes we know bumblebee is everywhere.....whats your exact point? Kids, Mums and dads can easily identify him. If it wasn't bumblebee it would be a different character.
Well you've been keeping up with transformers since day 1 so I can see your point. But to me who had nothing to do with transformers since g1 ended it gave new life to my interest in transformers.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
I've got some bad news for you Kup. We all took a vote and if you don't immediately profess your undying and all-consuming love for Beast Machines then we're kicking you out of the Transformers True Fan Club (Patent Pending) and confiscating all your Bayverse Bumblebees.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
OzFormers needs to implement a 'like' function :D
hmmm...I kind of like Beast Machines...:oQuote:
Originally Posted by Ode to a Grasshopper
Very subjective since some time ago I randomly asked a guy if he knew what Alice in Wonderland was and he only knew the story existed from them Johnny Depp movie :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Skullcruncher
However, based on my little exercise, I am not going to assume that everyone only knows 'Alice in Wonderland' from Johnny Depp and not from Lewis Carol or even the Disney animated movie based only on what whoever is immediately around me knows.
However all this is irrelevant. The last Turtle movie was well marketed and promoted so just because you and your co-workers have never heard of it, doesn't mean that TMNT is not already an active and successful franchise.
However I will agree that TMNT was not as popular as Bayformers:
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...e_Offender.png
"In fact, you're more than popular - you're pure lowest common denominator!"
I must of missed the bit where I said TMNT is an inactive and unsuccessful franchise. But I will leave this here as some people will always be over judgemental and overly critical of everything but this is the society that we all live in today.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup