Saw some of the first episode with my incredibly slow capped internet.
Cool series.
Gonna have to go to a web cafe to watch the rest :) Also to play some CS:S!
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Saw some of the first episode with my incredibly slow capped internet.
Cool series.
Gonna have to go to a web cafe to watch the rest :) Also to play some CS:S!
Those were cro magnons:p pre humans, and well kinda necessary, kinda - coz these same pre humans made a Hero out of Dinobot:D. With the humans in every other line - Armada, Energon, Cyb, now this - the humans have yet to prove they are "necessary" or just decorative excuses. Besides its not like in BW they took the pre humans to live/hang out with em in their base all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulbot
@Gok: yes Bumblebee is the new Mega minicon:D:D and will be sold in new sizeclass version - Minicon Deluxe
Kids don't have to be dumb (we already had one incredibly stupid human companion with Daniel Witwicky) - but I agree that they don't all have to be Peter Parker-esque freakish geniuses either. Gets boring after a while. But hey, at least Rafael doesn't have superhuman strength as well (e.g. like when Chip Chase tore a floppy disk apart with his bare hands -- I' not sure if even Arnold Schwarzenegger could do that! :o)Quote:
Originally Posted by shokwave2
But to be fair, there have been plenty of fairly average (i.e. not demonstrating 'super' intellectual or physical abilities) human companions of the Transformers. e.g.
+ Buster Witwicky
+ Sam Witwicky (a bit too average perhaps :p)
+ Spike Witwicky
+ Sparkplug Witwicky (comics only, cartoon Sparkplug was freakishly smart - being able to repair Cybertronians on par with Wheeljack and Ratchet. He even BUILT an Autobot shell once! How does someone this smart end up as an oil rig worker? Or a mechanic... or whatever the hell his job's meant to be)
+ Jesse
+ Minerva, Go Shuta, Cab, Cancer, Bullhorn and Wilder (aside from the powers given to them by their bracelets, they're ordinary humans - and of course they lost those powers after their Transtectors gained sentience)
+ Jan/Jean
+ Akira (ambiguous gender issues aside :p)
+ Onishi Yuuki (aka Koji)
+ Bradley "Rad" White, Carlos Lopez, Alexis Thi Dang, Billy and Fred.
+ Sally Jones, Misha
...etc etc.
Tru dat. There were humans in Beast Wars, but I don't think they were as "token" as in other Transformer series.Quote:
Originally Posted by liegeprime
3 words...
I Like It. :)
So... how's spending less "time TALKING about Transformers" going for you, Goki? :pQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
was it just me or did it seem like every time prime spoke it was a "big speech" this might be the last time i have anything to say speach or they may take our homes but they will never take our freedom speech......
I only just watched the first EP & I quite enjoyed it
This was my fave bit lolQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
I was just going to ask the same thing :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sky Shadow
You're not alone in this observation. I also found the music to be quite obtrusive. There would be this big heroic score playing when nothing much was really going on.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharky
so..... that was different.
The ani9amtion was very good, fluid and the lip synch was better than I had hoped. The angular lines and general darkness of the overall style is very reminiscent of Beast Machines, and the backgrounds and towns while unpopulated (I can understand it from not only a design perspective, but also from a technical perspective) are more detailed than the teaser trailers indicated.
The character models are very unique, and I'll be very interested to see if the toys reflect their show counterparts as well as the Animated series. The designs are nice movie/animated amalgamations, although probably still a bit too movie for my personal tastes.
Starscream is a little "igor" for my likes, and the voice will take some getting used too. Welker's Megatron voice was superb, but Cullen's Prime was a little... too much. Everything he said seemed grave and important. Ratchet again looks to be the standout favourite character for me.
As for the content of the episodes themselves... the fight scenes were great, and I am as surprised as Griffin at the treatment Cliffjumper got, I don't think it was overly graphic or brutal, just surprising that we got a death (unless he survived the blast as well) so early from what looked to be a character that would have been pretty good to have around. I guess it showed the decepticon clones are tough in packs and in one on one situations they can be dangerous.
Certainly not a bad start for a new show, but I can see where it could be confusing for people to get Prime and the movie universe mixed up!
My average posts per day is dropping (I think I was on about 18/day last week, now I'm down to about 14). I actually spent most of my computer time on the weekend playing WFC Multiplayer for the first time (as gekisou can atest :)).Quote:
Originally Posted by Sky Shadow
Back on topic...
I have a friend whose family originally immigrated to Sydney from Nebraska and the town pretty much looks like how they've described Nebraska to me - one big, flat boring state. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by i_amtrunks
I'm assuming that Hasbro's definitely going ahead with a toyline for Prime then. swoop mentioned on another thread that there wasn't going to be a toyline, which sounds ridiculous to me. Why bother investing in making a TF cartoon if there isn't going to be a toyline for it? (cos Transformers is first and foremost a toy franchise and Hasbro's core business is selling toys)Quote:
Originally Posted by i_amtrunks
I'm not saying it would be impossible... but it would be mighty silly and I'd be quite miffed if there no toys for TF Prime. The cinematography is also quite movielike too (e.g. lots of steep high and low angle shots to give a sense of scale and portraying the Transformers as Giant Effing Robots(TM)) - the cinematography for when Optimus explains the Autobots to the humans is almost identical to the equivalent scene in the first Transformers movie.
Simple... the money. Why else does anyone like working on an oil rig?Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
"I do this job because the pay is good, the scenery changes and they let me play with explosives" - Steve Buscemi in Armageddon
An Interesting start. And a few unexpected twists (Cliffjumper!! Nooo!) I enjoyed it and the only things I had a problem with were that the Japanese girl sounded Russian and Bulkhead could have just as easily been Ironhide.
But here's hoping it last longer than Animated.
When Arcee referred to the Decepticon cars as "twins" I started looking at them as new incarnations of Runabout and Runamuck. Try it: it makes the scene a bit more interesting than thinking of them as drones.
The scene where Arcee drops Cliffjumper, and he bonces off the floors was pretty brutal, for a kids view. They could have just as easily pulled away for that. But I still enjoyed it. I will watchi this show. I may even decide whether to watch the series' that I missed (everything after Beast Wars :p)
Well he sure ain't spending his money on new clothes. Or buttons. :p Maybe he faked his own death after Season 2 and went off with a harem of hawt mistresses. Sure beats babysitting his loser of a grandson. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartrim
It's still not half as brutal as half the stuff that happened to Waspinator when you think about it. ;) It probably feels worse because Waspinator's horrific deaths were portrayed in a non-serious slapstick manner -- and of course, he'd always be back in one piece by the next episode. :p No surprise as to why everyone compares Waspinator with South Park's Kenny. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 1AZRAEL1
As I'm reading all the comments posted so far, I can't believe how many people like it! I personally, was horrified. I don't know much about animation, but I felt like it was unfinished, almost like a project done by some Uni student. IMO even Beast Wars animation sh#ts cosmic tons all over this, at least aesthetically. And the mouths... I-I cant even look at Prime. Not at all. Every scene he was in I had to look away because it freaked me out. Not to mention his dramatic speeches every time he speaks. Criiiinge.
Plus the overly cinematic music, bumblebee talking in crappy electronic noise, soundwave basically being a drone, annoying token humans, and generally everything I can think of.
I have to say, I can't think of anything I enjoyed. At all. Sad face.
^ This *nods in agreement*Quote:
Originally Posted by Towers_Spy
I was saying the same thing when they first aired the promos but held some hope that they were unfinished. Looks like that was the final animation.
I'll still watch it tomorrow night... it's almost xmas and there is nothing else on anyway :p
I know ay, what happened to all the cartoons I used to watch as a kid? They show one or 2 and that's it. Sux.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5FDP
But who knows, could be like BW and make it better as they went along :D
Hmm...
Characters -
Cliffjumper: Meh, I liked that he was killed off (Stupid Dwayne 'The'Sellout' Johnson) as it shows that they are clearly going to have a similar writing approach that Beast Wars had i.e. not afraid to pull the right punches as there is too many cartoons these days that are way to 'kiddy' if that makes sense.
Bumblebee: Not fussed by the fact he doesn't talk, it puts a different spin on things plus who cares really anyway, he's just a character that get's under foot. ;)
Arcee: Really well done I thought, glad that she's not pink too because I think she'll be more appealing as a character to male kids.
Ratchet: Is where the comedy gold is, agree that he is a good amalgamation of the many Ratchets and Ratchet-like characters that preceded him.
Bulkhead: Is indeed a better version of the Animated character, having a bungling idiot for purely slapstick purposes get's old quick.
Optimus: Not a fan of the face but meh, he's an Optimus and makes up for it in pure 'Çan't Touch This' battle style. :D
Eradicons: Glad that they aren't just simple fodder for the Autobots, I've always hated that whole 'Ánonymous Henchman' approach to filling in the ranks.
Starscream: The personality is spot on, not too sure about the voice though as he sounds... I dunno, too sinister? :confused:
Soundwave: Intrigued but concerned, I don't know how people mistook him for female - the T-800 has being pulling voice tricks since '84 guys :rolleyes:, he seems to have a lack of a face and I'm concerned about him not having a proper voice like Bumblebee, they've got Welker just give him his G1 voice.
Megatron: So much awesome-sauce it's not funny, Evil? Check, Welker? Check, Personality? Check, Look? Check!
Overall-
The shows good, the CG is very stylised so that's ok with the character design reflecting this too and I've no doubt that the 'émptyness' feeling one gets from the open environments will change once they move past the initial 5 ep pilot stage.
The mood, setting and writing is envoking quite a bit of Beast Wars which is great for me because I liked the fact that the show is clearly not going to be aimed squarely at kids 5 and under. Those who think that these 2 eps have been too scary for kids... :confused: - I really don't know how you come to that conclusion, I mean fancy an Evil character looking scary? or Oh no a character died? :rolleyes: Guys, trying to hide kids from the factor of Death is just silly, I'm not a parent but I believe that wrapping blankets around everything that a child comes into contact with just causes them more problems later.
(Spare a thought for those who grew up in the various Plague eras or WWI/II)
The characters I think need more time to be fleshed out but from what I've seen so far I reckon it's heading in the right direction albeit with a few giving to the stylised take on things.
The human characters are alright, I like that the Human Lead is paired with Arcee for a change and that the Asian Girl is a Metal Head is also Awesome! :cool:
The little bloke who's this wiz... eh?, I've seen plenty of characters before like this and yeah it's a bit lazy I guess but if it works, why not?
All in all I think this show is taking the best of what has come before, putting it in a visual vehicle that works and is contemporary, appeals to a broader audience and sets the franchise up for an immediate future without a film to rely upon. I like the writing and tone as I think the cartoon will need to appeal to more than just 5 year olds in order to be a continued success and I personaly hope that this show lasts longer than 3 seasons.
I look forward to seeing more of this series but will be reserving final judgement for later, this show may just finally be...
"More Than Meets The Eye!" ;)
heheheh Well First there's MINICON BUmBlebee, now there's.... Eulogy Prime!!!:D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Sharky
I watched Transformers: Prime on the weekend, as many of you know, I went in somewhat reserved given the recent streak of disappointments from the TF fictional world but I still held enough of an open mind to allow the show to 'convince' me that it's worth following.
Overall, I am impressed by the result. It is certainly much better than the Animated pilot and adds a new story continuity to the franchise rather than expanding on an existing one. There are a few annoyances here are there with one major one that is very frustrating but overall the show hit the right notes.
I am very happy to see that the story is attempting to provide a serious plot and that the humor is generally subtle but appropriate without breaking the flow of the story. The action was also well done and made sense for the most part although there was a bit too much 'theatrics' involved when it comes to poses and pre-battle stances but I can see passed that as it is afterall, a kids cartoon and unlike Bayformers, you can actually see what is happening with the action contributing to the story rather than the other way around.
Some have said that the way the plot moves is reminiscent of Beast Wars and I do agree with this view, at least as far as the first two episodes are concerned. The story has a clear direction and focuses on the Transformer characters, all with unique personalities and drives - Living TF characters which is a core factor of the franchise that the movies were often distracted from.
As mentioned earlier, the humor is subtle and in line with the plot which is a welcome change from recent times but despite the Beast Wars similarities in it's overall story handling, the humor in TF:Prime is so far much more low key. I would go as far as to say that the show is perhaps more similar to Beast Machines than Beast Wars in it's overall mood and characters as it is a much more serious and darker story. However unlike BM, this is clearly in line with the 'familiar' Transformer style story than the left field direction that BM took but despite that, what was positive about BM is certainly present in TF:Prime.
As mentioned before, the action was somewhat exaggerated in a cartoony form (understandable) but was overall well executed and did not break the story flow. Something that did catch my attention was the considerable violence that was present in the fight scenes. Some bits went as far as being 'gory' in a robotic way and I was also pleasantly surprised that the show displayed consequences to the violence as there was real death, something which is normally absent from cartoons. It was also good to see the violence wasn't done with the sole intention to shock or awe audiences but to complement the story to a level of 'realism' that immerses the viewer. In a way this show is more in line with 90s cartoon than contemporary ones which is very good.
The characters in this show are also well executed, as mentioned, all the TF characters have distinct personalities and views of their current situation (similar to BW/M) but unlike Bayformers, everyone here has a purpose...well...except for one but we'll get to that later. Optimus Prime has gone back to being the wise and experienced leader who is focused on his mission to defend the Earth from the Decepticons but unlike the unfortunate late interpretations of him (IDW/Bayformers) he commands his troops with confidence, dignity and direction.
Ratchet - He seems to be the familiar character we have always known but leaning more towards the Animated 'grumpy' personality but not as much. He reminds me a little more of the Marvel Comic Ratchet but older.
Bulkhead - We didn't get to see much of his character but enough to show us that he is certainly different from the Animated version. He seems more gruntish than 'gentle giant' and seems to be much more of a veteran warrior. I would say that he has a somewhat similar personality to Ironhide but we have not seen enough to say that for sure.
Arcee - Now this character was well done but I do have some reservations on how this came about. Arcee seems to have a female version of Bumblebee's G1 personality in the sense of how she befriends the human characters, her brash and somewhat impulsive personality due to inexperience as well as a bit of a 'try hard' nature. I am inclined to think that perhaps this role was intended for Bumblebee but some changes were later made and it was assigned to Arcee instead.
Bumblebee - He is by far the worse character in the whole show and utterly pointless. He is actually more useless than the movie version which is saying a lot. All he does is stand around and beep like R2D2 with the nerdy human kid apparently being the only one who can understand him. He is shown as a capable fighter but apart from that, he contributes nothing aside from a 'familiar' throwback to the movies but executed much worse, at least Movie Bumblebee had a point (as far as TF1 is concerned that is). Every time Bumblebee appeared and 'beeped', my enjoyment of the show halted and turned into annoyance, thankfully once his pointless bits were over, I was able to get back into the show.
The human kids - This was actually done rather good, the human kids are not shown to be messiahs like it was done in Bayformers or ridiculously 'suave' TF killers like it was done in IDW Ongoing. They are actually portrayed as normal human kids who happened to be thrown in the middle of the Decepticon/Autobot guerrilla war by random circumstance. The kids like all previous TF cartoons are there to show a human perspective and for once, they are actually serving that purpose. The kids do not take over the show as it was with the Unicron Trilogy or Bayformers and used in a balanced form as they are not there barking orders to the Transformers not dictating how things should be done. They are there because they are under the protection of the Autobots not to take the lead. Therefore the main human characters do not overwhelm the show and their prominence balances out nicely and not made useless. Their role is to offer a window for the autobots to understand humanity and this seems to have been properly set up. The only human who seems a bit pointless and somewhat annoying, is the hyperactive Japanese girl, she is actually more in line with the annoying and pointless human characters from the past but thankfully she was not a big part of these episodes.
When it comes to the Decepticons, only two Decepticons are seen portraying some character, the rest were 'template' grunts. Starscream despite his odd vampiric looks is somewhat identifiable as Starscream in character although he is portrayed as a more reserved servant to Megatron but it is too early in the series to Judge. Megatron has a typical Megatron personality but much less refined than the Animated one.
In regards to the animation, although some scenes were much smoother and better handled than others, the animation as a whole looks very dated, specially when you compare it to modern CGI cartoon series like Clone Wars. The cost saving desert sceneries and limited color palette as well as 'deserted' towns also highlight the budget nature of the animation. However having said that, the production seems to be doing the best they can with what they got so there is nothing 'half assed' about it and scenes are very well executed with a natural flow to the animation. Some people may have issues with the movie inspired designs with a somewhat 'animated' style thrown in but if the story is good, it's easy for me to see passed those things. The Prime 'kid' face looks better when animated but if you pause the scene, it looks bad so hopefully they will refine that a little in the future.
Overall it was a well constructed episode with a good story despite nothing too epic happening plot wise but that's understandable since this is just the first episode. This is a fine start to a promising series and I am looking forward to more. I hope that the episodes continue to improve but most of all I hope they get rid of JarJar-bee or at least get him to talk normally as his R2 beeps were really teething for me.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that Bumblebee is utterly worthless -- unlike G1's Wheelie and Daniel (and Star Wars' Jar Jar Binks), Bumblebee is contributing to the plot, even if it's in a relatively minor way. For example, he did save Arcee and helped to save the human kids. Characters like Wheelie, Daniel and Jar Jar just get in everyone's way and don't really do anything useful.
And I do like the reduced role of Bumblebee - cos since the movie and Animated franchises, I'm kinda sick of seeing Bumblebee always being portrayed as the hero. So I would welcome seeing other Autobots being put in the main hero spotlight (like say Arcee). I also welcome seeing a non-pink/pastel female Autobot. It's not just more appealing to boys, but also more positive for girls as it doesn't hammer in the stereotype that girls should be 'pink' and therefore suggestively demure, reserved, non-assertive etc. The worst would have to be G1 Arcee during The Headmasters series who was relegated to being not much more than a "bridge bunny" (or "OL" for those who understand Japanese office culture (-_-)). This was something I also enjoyed with Beast Wars and Beast Machines -- giving us strong and fiercely independent female characters. Although I was just a tad disappointed to hear Tigerhawk exclusively speaking with Tigatron's voice... I was hoping Tigerhawk would speak in a dual Airazor-Tigatron voice (like how Gogeta speaks with both Gokuu's and Vegeta's voices in Dragonball).
The one thing I'm enjoying with Prime is that they are TRYING to make the show appeal to both kids and adults, which isn't easy. One of my main gripes with Animated was how it was too focused at kids. Yeah sure, it was loaded with references to previous TF series (e.g. G1), but that alone doesn't really give it adult appeal (more like Easter Eggs for fans, which I do appreciate - but it's not the same as attempting to make the story appeal to me as an adult). And unlike Beast Machines it's not so dark, brooding and highly philosophical with dull repetitive action (oh look, they're running and hiding from Vehicons this episode... AGAIN!)
Maybe the animation for these first 5 episodes is a bit rough because it was rushed out in time for the Hub Launch... The series itself isn't airing until February, which is a long time to work on the show itself (if those episodes are still in production).
Maybe for the visual side of things we see how episodes 6+ turns out, after they've had another 3 months to work on them.
Thats a bit cruel isn't it? Airing 5 episodes then nothing until FebruaryQuote:
Originally Posted by griffin
Personally, I didn't like this.
The story is as badly written as the bay movies. Optimus Prime talks too much crap and needs a good punch in the face. Cliffjumper was a so-so cameo.
I did very much enjoy the car sequence in the mines when Optimus in truck mode smashed his way through everything. Though I found it odd that bulkhead didn't do it being the one that looks much more armoured - but i guess thats the perk to being leader.
The way they made Bumblebee is stupid and humans are annoying as hell. Especially the when that little kid helped Ratchet with the computer thing at the base.
The Decepticons I need to see more off because its mostly drones but it was cool to see Starscream actually kill someone.
I actually was glad when the episodes were over.
I recommend the new Youth Justice show over this. Its so much better in every way other than not being Transformers.
Unnavoidable I think. If it was a new Transformers series conceived by the toy division of Hasbro instead of its new TV network division, we probably wouldn't have had any of the cartoon released early (the first 5 Eps), and we'd have toys in stores with its screening (which can take up to 18 months to produce).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartrim
They needed a range of new programing for the TV channel's launch capitalising their most known brands - TFs, GIJoe, etc, so we get a TFs cartoon rushed out so fast, they probably only have 5 episodes completed, and before we even have any toys produced for it. February was probably when we should have seen its release, if the toy-division had conceived the replacement-to-Animated show. At least, that's how I see it.
They did a similar thing with Animated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartrim
I'm watching this now, halfway through the first episode.
I'm liking Starscream a lot more than I thought I would and I'm hoping that Cliffjumper has a role to play in future episodes (mainly because I'm hoping the Rock hangs around)
Me too. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by G1Optimal
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Originally Posted by Towers_Spy
While Mainframe's work had much better facial animation (which was their strength), the CG work in Prime is generally better in every other area compared to Beast Wars and Beast Machines.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5FDP
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Originally Posted by kaiden
i too enjoyed young justice over transformers... much better quality...
i do find the human cast pointless... its the token genius kid, the token dweeb that knows the hotchick that is in his class.. and the token girl... they could of had a mechanic father his two dumb kids and a wheelchair bound computer genius and it would make no difference.....
un original...
Seems we have a difference of opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFN
Advancement in technology doesn't necessarily mean a better product.
I don't think it's as bad as the weak points in the Bay movies. Some things Prime (so far) has that I prefer over the live action movies include:Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiden
+ No where near as much time focused on humans. The live action movies have so many scenes focused on humans you sometimes forget that the film is about Transformers!
+ No lewd humour based on humping or drugs etc.
+ Jack isn't desperate to get laid like Sam, and Miko isn't as objectified as Mikaela.
His (and Arcee's) appearance makes a bit more sense if you've read the comics. But there were plenty of "hi then die" characters in G1. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiden
I don't find this Bumblebee anywhere near as annoying as Animated Bumblebee. Silence is gold, eh. ;) And yeah, the scene where Rafael just happened to fix the Autobots' computer systems was a tad too convenient and terribly cliched... but it's no worse than G1's Christopher "Chip" Chase.Quote:
Originally Posted by kaiden
At least Raf's not a pretend cripple (yeah, we all saw him STAND UP to catch that bomb that Spike threw at him! I reckon both Chip and Professor Xavier* are totally faking it to get govt benefits! :p)
Ooohh... if this series was conceived by Hasbro's Toy Division, then I certainly hopes this means that Hasbro are planning on releasing toys! (I want to be able to dispell rumours that there aren't going to be toys for Prime).Quote:
Originally Posted by griffin
I agree that the facial animation isn't so good here. But when comparing the animation quality between Beast Wars and Prime, keep in mind that Beast Wars was animated fourteen years ago. By 1990s standards, Beast Wars animation was, IMO, really good (even winning an Emmy for best visual effects in an animated television series). By current day standards, I think the animation in Prime isn't bad -- but it's not exceptionally great either.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFN
I am satisfied with the animation in Prime though... aesthetic issues aside there doesn't appear to be any great technical flaws (Beast Wars had a lot of technical flaws, but they were limited by the available technology of the time -- Mainframe had to actually write most of their own animation software because the stuff that was available at the time simply couldn't keep up with what they wanted to do).
Jack's mum's still a hot MILK (Mum I'd Like To Kiss d: ) though. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sharky
Meh, just decimate the humans already!!:p Before Gok perv's on any other moms....
at this time i would like to say something.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Ick....
-That's because the human characters have to actually act and they are there to appeal to the masses.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
-The script is written for adults mostly whereas TFPrime is a children's show.
-The Bay movie cast are adults... and TFP are children. It would be weird to objectify Miko to pedophiles.
TFA is about a bunch of underachieving goofs which explains bumblebee's character faults. TFP Bumblebee doesn't even get to tell people what he's about :PQuote:
I don't find this Bumblebee anywhere near as annoying as Animated Bumblebee. Silence is gold, eh. ;) And yeah, the scene where Rafael just happened to fix the Autobots' computer systems was a tad too convenient and terribly cliched... but it's no worse than G1's Christopher "Chip" Chase.
The thing is CG animation is largely driven by advances in technology. Skill plays a part, of course, but a large part of it is also the hardware, software, time and budget.Quote:
Originally Posted by 5FDP
As someone who has worked in animation skill plays an enormous part in animation. Skill and planning. It's not like an animation studio scans in a storyboard and a computer does the rest. There's still an animator at that workstation acting their guts out.Quote:
Originally Posted by FFN
No, I'm not confusing mocap with animation. Animators are actors too.
Too right! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SMHFConvoy
I remember back in the day of PPMs for Quake 2 & 3 where people animated these things at home for free!, these were the days of pre-skeletal modelling and animation - sure Q3 had it's MD3 clipping system but for Q2 the best PPMs were the ones that had been creatively animated, often having to exploit flaws in the engine and/or employing tricks like hiding objects within objects so as to lessen the burden on the renderer. Some of the things that were achieved were insane!
Of animation note were the Evil Professor in a wheel chair for Q2 and the Q4 Gladiator for Q3, both were rigged and animated by a bloke, or blokes, going by the net handle BrosGrimm if I remember correctly. :cool:
(I wish I still had these PPMs as they show what talent and skill were required by the Animator to pull them off :()
Things like avoiding clipping issues, applying accurate weighting and mesh deformation require great skill and talent in order to be a top tear animator, abilities I wish I had. :o
i really enjoyed the first 2 episodes as did my 2 kids, the only thing missing was at the start there was no transformers theme song :(
Ive just skimmed over this thread as its getting bigger by the second- So i apologise if ive doubled up.
I think Cliff death was waaay to violent for a G rating. I wont let my youngins watch it.
Is it just me-
or could Cliffjumper and those horns of his be a connection of some sort to Unicron- seeing he does have his blood or whatever they call it running through him?
I dont think we have heard the last of cliffjumper- But i could be wrong and often am.