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Yeah alright, I can accept that explanation for Grimlock and the Dinobots (and the Insecticons) :)
That would be an extremely limited range weapon ... interesting that they've chosen not to give him any guns... G1 Grimlock had a gun and a missile launcher. <shrug> Maybe he's tooQuote:
Originally Posted by RageOnTheRoads
Drift^hardcore for guns. :p
"Here comes GrimlockQuote:
Originally Posted by RageOnTheRoads
belted by gamma rays
turns into T-Rex
ain't he unglamorous!"
:p
GRIMLOCK SMASH!!
But this isn't G1 so that doesn't really matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Yes, but this is Grimlock, he throw hard, and far. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
Too right!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
A few other points that impressed me from the article:
High Moon's response to the WFC been too repetitive, with too little variety, generic levels, limited AI and lacklustre storytelling - "We've taken some of the pieces form WFC that weren't received well, and turned those into strengths of the new game...Gameplay is driven by the variety of experiences... The AI system has been completely rewritten from the ground up. THe core shooting and action is completely new-ten thousand little things that add up to a really great experience." Matt Tieger, game director.
"As promised each character feels different from the last, providing the much needed variety that was lacking in WFC." game informer
"...later vortex joins with his four brothers to form Bruticus and, in a level sure to delight anyone with a pulse, the massive combined robot is playable as he lays waste to the good guys." game informer
YAY!:D
That sounds pretty darn cool! I look farward to the change in tactics required. Be interested to see how he would work in Multiplayer.
That trailer of Grimbo made me excited. Uncomfortably so...
Bruticus?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? OMG! I dont think I can wait until next year for this... oh noooos.
I hope they add some more light to the levels. Surely even Cybertron has days. If it doesn't that could explain their power problems though.
I know, but it's G1 inspired -- and it's interesting that the designers have decided to not go with the option of equipping him with guns...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartrim
I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing... (after all, in some Star Wars games like Revenge of the Sith Jedi characters can't use anything but their lightsabres - which poses various challenges when enemies are shooting lasers, missiles etc. at you ;)) but it'll be interesting to see how Grimlock compensates. I suspect he'll have a tougher or higher shield rating and/or possibly more hit points... which would make sense because the Dinobots always were fairly Tonka Tuff dudes anyway.
Give us toys!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tetsuwan Convoy
I'd love to see more toys too but considering we only received toys for about 5% of the cast for WFC (Optimus, Megatron, Bumblebee, and Soundwave*), it's not looking too favourable for Bruticus. Grimlock on the other hand appears to be the games 'poster child' so you can bank on a toy for him.
* I'm not counting that legends Cybertron Starscream repaint ;)
This game may not be 80s G1 but it is as much G1 as IDW comics or even Classics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartrim
But (and even though it has it's flaws and you have openly criticised this) Hasbro has stated the WFC and FOC games are technically in the Transformers: Prime continuity, so it is not as G1 as IDW or classics.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
Yeah - I noticed that FOC Cliffjumper's head looks like TFP Cliffie's head. Great... I already got Generations Cliffjumper w/ the G1 inspired head, now Hasbro might make a new toy with the FOC-accurate TFP inspired head.
Who here would be sucker enough to get a FOC Cliffjumper even though you have WFC Cliffjumper???
...I would that's who :p (I use my WFC Cliffie's head on my Classics Cliffjumper anyway - so might as get a FOC Cliffjumper ;)).
I'll be interested to see how they shoe-horn it into the Prime continuity... Personally I would have been more than happy to accept the games as being set in their own timeline universe, inspired by G1 or Prime or even the movies (but thankfully not the movies!).Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartrim
Since Hasbro and half-moon have both come out and definitively said it is not G1 based, we could stop harping on about who had what or did what or was where in G1, this is a new story having its own take on characters and locations that are familiar from G1, and the larger TF lore.
Yeah but even from a practical POV having only melee range fighting ability (and limited range fighting by chucking stuff) is a significant challenge against enemies who have ballistic weapons shooting at you! It'd be cool if Grimlock could deflect shots with his sword (so if you shoot more powerful stuff at him, he could smack it back at you and you'd cop the damage of your own weapon! :D)
Didn't one of the articles say Grimlock has a shield. So I would say you can use that to block and advance on the enemy.
I'm not sure, but I think you see him, from behind, carrying a shield in the Teaser Trailer but even if that isn't the case a shield/buckler would make a great deal of sense IMO. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartrim
Grimlock is the Hasbro answer to the Avengers, Hulk Strength, Captain America's shield, and a big Freaking sword instead of Thors Hammer.:D
though his sword looks really heavy in the clip...
Given that in reality the first game had nothing to do with TF Prime despite Hasbro saying so, I would prefer to come to that conclusion myself after trying out the game than just going by what is 'officially' said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartrim
Dark Energon disagrees with you:pQuote:
Originally Posted by kup
But everything else in the game does agree with me. Even so dark energon seems somewhat different in wfc than in Prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bartrim
If you like to go by what is officially said then that is fine. I prefer to go by my own observations so lets agree to disagree.
Come oooooooon, Sludge! :p
sigh... that was SO bound to pop up. :p
As for what kup was saying - WFC fits better into Gen1 continuity/feel than Prime or Movieverse... right down to the designs of the characters.
I was looking over TF-Prime Starscream's page on tfwiki, and saw how different WFC Starscream is in appearance and character to Prime Starscream (as with the other characters)... WFC may well have been shoehorned into Prime and/or Movieverse by Hasbro, but it was clearly initially designed/proposed by Activision to be a homage to Gen1/War Within before Hasbro created TF-Prime, and thought, 'hey here's an idea'....
That's right and it is very obvious when you have played the game and watched TF Prime.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffin
Naturally we can only speak about WFC as how this new game will be handled is yet to be seen. However so far what little has been revealed is looking to be just like WFC when it comes to the 'G1 feel' despite several concept changes. The only current identifiable TF Prime influence is Cliffjumper's head.
All I know is that I wanna play the bloody thing now! :p:D
foc grimlock figure when? =P
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by griffin
Gameinformer.com has just posted 2 videos of an interview with High Moon Studios Game Director; Matt Tieger, detailing the Story and Direction of Transformers: Fall of Cybertron. :cool:
*My thoughts: This bloke is awesome and definitely the right person to be heading this sort of a venture. ;):)
wow this looks like an interesting game!!!!!, it is nice they included grimlock in this one
Courtesy of TFW2005.com, Gameinformer.com has just updated their site with another article for Transformers: Fall of Cybertron.
The article focuses on animating the Cybertronians and provides 4 development videos, guided by the Lead Animator: Jason Diaz, on how High Moon Studios breathes life into our favourite automatons. :cool:
It's unfair to show all this when the game is so far away.... I want it NOW!:(
Courtesy of Gameinformer.com, a new article has been posted on their site where Matt Tieger details: The Enemies and A.I. of Transformers: Fall of Cybertron.
A number of new Concept pics and Screenshots are supplied too, but here is a quick snippet from the Article:
Quote:
High Moon feels like it has some added AI complexities to deal with in Fall of Cybertron.
“AI systems generally work by assessing the situation and then reacting,” says game director Matt Tieger.
“Which is fine if your character is moving at a baseline speed, or even if you are at a run. In most games you can’t get that far from your initial position, before your enemies have decided what to do.” However, in Transformers, players can transform and fly half a mile away in the time that it takes most enemies to process and commit to an action.
This means Transformers’ AI systems need to be extra speedy.
“Our guys sometimes have to do some radical things in the background to compensate for this problem,” says Tieger.
*Pics Mirrored courtesy of Gameinformer.com:
Wow, that be some freaky looking robots thar to be a blasting! I like the bright background they have used. Althugh atmospheric, the darkness of the first lessened the effect of Cybertron I thought as it was a bit hard to see the lovely levels.
Man, do we really have to wait a year for this? I don't think Batman and Sonic can hold me out for that long...
http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/...conLeaper3.jpg
Looks inspired by Nut Convoy. ;)
Oh no, the Geth are invading Cybertron!Quote:
Originally Posted by Hursticon
Courtesy of Gameinformer.com, we've been provided with yet another facet of the upcoming game; Transformers: Fall of Cybertron. :D
In this latest article; Resurrecting The Dinobots, containing many new pics and vids, Matt Tieger and the Art Team of High Moon Studios detail how they came up with a new origin story for having Dinosaurs on Cybertron without having been to Earth as well as their approach to the new look for our favourite Saurian team. :cool:
*Pics Mirrored courtesy of Gameinformer.com:
http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/...hingattack.jpg
http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/...ithshield2.jpg
http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/...oopDinobot.jpg
http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/...t_SwoopBot.jpg
http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/...nobotFinal.jpg
http://i1032.photobucket.com/albums/...ugBotFinal.jpg
Yes!
And rumor has it all 5 will be released... in figure form. Grimlock as voyager, the rest in deluxe. :D
Whilst they wouldn't be as nice as all 5 MP dinobots, they will fill in as the dinobots for my classics shelf due to completeness.
I agree; 5 MP Dinobots would be great but unless TakTom can Retool/Repaint them out of MP Grimlock it'll be unlikely to happen. :p:DQuote:
Originally Posted by gdmetro
I really, really hope that there is some truth to that rumour but with only one tiny modification; I'd kinda prefer Sludge to be a Voyager too, purely for logical reasons as I'm perfectly happy with Slug/Slag, Swoop and Snarl being Deluxes but I think there might be - just might be some truth to this rumour for a couple of reasons. ;):)
Did anyone else notice Snarl in this image at that gameinformer link?
Just need visual proof of Sludge now... (sorry sleeve :p )
It's interesting to hear that they are still conceiving their WFC game ideas from Gen1, right down to their visual appearances (which we've seen are completely different to Prime & Movie aesthetics). It's like the gamers are long time fans and are doing this game for fellow Gen1 fans, but then the story these characters are in ends up being shoe-horned into what Hasbro currently wants as it's story universe to be. The game designers even had to work hard at convincing Hasbro to allow them to use the Dinobots because they don't fit within their "grand plan".
(it also sounds like they might actually call the five dinobots by their original Gen1 names, instead of the Hasbro "politically correct on every continent" names - but is still too early to tell, especially if toys are likely... it has been a while since Hasbro managed to give all 5 classic names out to the right dinosaur forms)
The concept of Grimlock transforming when he gets too mad reminds me of an old Hulk game, which you had to keep his rage down in stages he had to infiltrate (avoiding electric traps & troops). I can't remember if you also had to keep him raged when needing to use the Hulk... but I'm thinking that may be the case in this game when using Grimlock. If you need to use him in robot mode, he can't be allowed to overheat (physically, like with an onscreen rage/heat meter)... but then when you need to take on a difficult situation or opponent, you gotta get him worked up to make him change.
Ah, just got to the 13minute mark on the video, and they ended up saying something similar... he has a rage meter (like the special ability feature in Campaign & Escalation), but you still choose to activate it, it isn't automatic.
I wonder who the blue robot is that's on the far left of the wall in the first video. If they've redesigned the main characters like they did with Optimus, the colours look like Thundercracker, but looks a lot more impressive than the regular seeker design.
A closer look at it, I don't think it is Thundercracker... so looks like an interesting character.
Well bloody spotted Griffin! :eek:
I honestly didn't even notice Snarl up there, I thought he was just part of the architecture. :o:p
I don't see them shoe-horning so much as drawing quite a bit of G1 references and overlaying them on top of the Narrative Skeleton that Hasbro has been trying to construct over the past couple of years, a sort of 'soft-link' kind of approach rather than the disjointed mess it has been in for quite some time. :cool:
Indeed Hasbro didn't actually have the Dinobots factored in with their Narrative Skeleton, I'm sticking with that designation by the way :p, but what High Moon Studios and Hasbro have come up with story-wise in order to include them in the mix; I think is absolutely brilliant on a number of very deep and multifaceted levels. ;)
With that being said, I hope Hasbro decide to integrate this origin into said Narrative Skeleton as I think it is a vastly superior piece of story telling; it beats the old 'Angsty Gladiator Tanks' or the 'Dim-witted products of a Ratchet/Wheeljack foray into designer Protoforms'. :p:D
I'm SO pumped for this game, it sounds and looks like it is going to be excellent fun to play but also an awesome TF story too; I really hope this is even more successful than it's predecessor, which it's already looking like it'll achieve :eek:, so we get more nigh-perfect Transformers games from this superb developer (High Moon Studios) but also some additional media in the forms of comics, novels and... oh! - toys! :D
I did notice Snarl, but think that if this game keeps to the "three characters per level" that the first game had then it will be Grimlock, Slag and Swoop who are playable since there are more pics of them. (Which just happens to be the same three Dinobots from Animated).
I picked up the GameInformer mag from Coles and the pics do look really nice.
@Paulbot: I seem to remember Matt Tieger saying in one of the interviews, not sure which one :o, that they were moving away from a 'choose one of three per level' system and going with a 'one per level' approach predominantly on a story delivery basis i.e. having each level focus on the character your playing as, rather than having a choice of character for a level; being a better way of delivering and participating in the story. :)
(Does that make sense? :o)
Those Dinbots are Epic. And are these just rumours of toys or are there actually going to be toys? 'Cos my hopes are sky-high atm.
At present, they are just rumours :o; although there are some indications from a variety of sources that give the rumours a little bit of substance - Only time will tell though. ;):cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Tallestblue
(I mean, really there hasn't been a more perfect time/opportunity to bring these beloved saurians back from the tar pits :D)