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I really hope they do!Quote:
Originally Posted by i_amtrunks
I have been watching the fan dubs and recently the Animated Movie. Its very kiddy and not as good as the Canadian series but its not bad and I have enjoyed what I have seen but not expecting anything Epic like the North American series.
I hope so too. Any idea if Metrodome will release these first? Or they were only releasing G1?
Does Metrodome still exist as a company anymore?
I think so. Just found their site and they seem to do non-Transformers DVDs as well:Quote:
Originally Posted by i_amtrunks
http://www.metrodomegroup.com/
Their TF site though (http://www.transformersdvd.com/) hasn't been updated for a while, possibly due to no new product on their schedule. :/
Yeah within the story canon, neither was exposed to the Vok transmetal driver so it makes sense for them to not be TM2s. It seems that the writers were also paying attention to the toy design styles while writing the scripts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Verno
The journey continues... :)
Go w/ the Flow
We're back on track. I loved this episode. The comic elements worked really well and i have to say that the Depthcharge/Rattrap combo was great. The little kids weren't annoying either. In fact, I thought they were gerat as sub characters and even though it was evident that she'd dupe the Predacons, the best part was why she duped them. Not because she needed to save the Maximals. Not because she needed to save the planet. But b/c she wanted a hair clip! :D Loved the slip, sliding down the river too.
Crossing the Rubicon
I have to say that to this point there have been good, mediocre and bad episodes. But this was the 1st episode where I felt bitterly disappointed. Certain episodes radiate a meh quality from the outset but what particular frustrated me about this episode in a manner akin to Animated episodes was how wonderful it started out and then so quickly nosedived. I'd been waiting and waiting for when Blackarachnia would assume her new TM form. And I knew this episode from the start would feature that.
Nothing wrong with that. What was so mindboggling was the way the whole plot so quickly deteriorated. We have an intense desperate struggle to save her, the failure, the attempt at revenge - that's all good - but then all of a sudden that odd ball decides to save her from out of nowhere - and then we have to reconcile how the heck she gets there to save Silverbolt so quickly. It was such a jarring leap in logic that I felt so upset.
May be my disappointment is a reflection of the high standard I hold to BWs and the fact that others like Kup hold the series in such high esteem but I've got to say that's one of the fastest nosedives for a BWs episodes I watched. There was a lot to like about it, mind you, it was just that last 5th that really had me wondering if George Lucas had taken over writing duties.
And last I'd like to mention how much i like Scott McNeil. I can't believe he's the voice actor for all those characters including Silverbot. It's on that intro at the start of the disc and I'd always overlooked/not paid attention to it. But its great how he can so wonderfully mod his voice.
plus he's an aussie, extra points for that :)
well he was born here or somethin
if he is ever in Australia surely he'd like to make an appearance with his fellow countrymens fans of partly his work ?
I think the Blackarachnia episode suffered from the last minute Season 3 rush job that the writers were suddenly faced with.Quote:
Originally Posted by STL
I have said this before, Season 3 is my least favorite BW Season for the reason above, My Beast Wars fandom peaked at Season 2. Even if there wasn't a Season 3, I would still hold Beast Wars with such high steem as Season 1 & 2 made it for me.
Season 3 is still good (particularly the first few episodes) but it deteriorates into a rush job to conclude the story before the end of the short season thanks to Archer/Hasbro and their failure to understand the concepts that attract people (Beast Machines).
Goktimus considers Season 3 with high steem but I don't, its better than most (if not all) of the stuff we have gotten in the past decade but pales in comparison with Season 1 & 2. Beast Was produced its best in Season 2 in my opinion.
Hey guys, just thinking was TM2 Blackarachnia the precursor to Archer's Beast Machines idea? She does sorta have a strange colour scheme.Quote:
Originally Posted by kup
No the precursor was the drugs :)
but yes, what possessed Archer to have such weird, in terms of traditional tf ,designs?
I mean, you could still have all the big semi-religious plot without such strange bodies surely
Blackarachnia is not much different from most Transmetal 2 toys for having a mix of bright and dark colours and bizarre looking beast modes and robot modes. It's not hard to draw a line between Transmetal 2s and Beast Machines Maximals.
According to Archer TM2s are indeed his designs and Beast Machines continues their theme in an even more extremem manner as by that time Archer had been given authority over the franchise.
You can tell by the TM2 designs that they were preparing their agenda to abandon the whole robot concept and move into Technorganics which they sadly did in BM with abismal results. The franchise was in serious danger after that as it totally annihalated the G1 continuity and alienated many fans as Transformers were no longer robots of any kind. The franchise had not been in such a bad state since the end of G1 until the Japanese rescued it with RID.
I am still surprized that Archer wasn't fired on the spot after such a failure in his first term in office.
Despite the decline in popularity, Beast Machines wasn't a financial flop for Hasbro - it actually did enjoy reasonable popularity (most likely enough to turn a profit) -- but as one prominent Transfan told me, Beast Machines was riding on the coat tails of the success of Beast Wars... that managed to keep it afloat. And of course, RiD came in just in time (if I haven't already told you the full story about this, feel free to ask me next time we meet :)) to pump a new resurgence into the franchise. So the franchise never went into decline so badly that Hasbro would've taken enough notice to want to take action against Archer.
...I wonder whose idea it was to make Transformers Animorphs though. Those things peg-warmed something chronic.
Hi Gok,
Welcome back!
Yeah thanks... still not sure if I really want to come back though (the issue that I thought might've been resolved appears that it may not have been)... (-_-)
what issue gok? aside from the problems the server has been giving griffin et al, things have never been smoother since ive been here :)Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
you need some help on a beating?
George
It's nothing I'm going to discuss publicly, sorry Borgie. It's got nothing to do with the current board technical difficulties though.
you can't leave a juicy tempting story like that on a cliffhanger, you must continueQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
cos Stone Cold said so.
A few times ive been around that track and its just not gonna have been like that cos i aint no hollaback girl, i aint no hollaback girl!!!
dooo dooo do do
This is not time for sweaters we need ties now!!!!
Guys, please leave Gok's reason alone, and not hijack STL's thread.
Yeah! You've been warned ya highjackin terrorist ###**
no worries, but im still available if a beating is needed :DQuote:
Originally Posted by dirge
George
Digging this thread up cos I finally got around to properly watching some more episodes (not to mention I was embarrassed to be reminded by Soundwarp how slow I've taken! :o):
Master Blaster
Unbelievably good episode. Quick change of pace from the horror of the Rubicon. Some of my favourite one liners in here. Waspinator's role as sub commander was shortlived with hilarity and I honestly just could not stop laughing at the poor fellow. What ensued though was the treachery in this episode. The manifestation of Tarantulas' intentions combined with BW Megatron and G1 Megatron's fusion followed by the new form was great theatre.
I particularly enjoyed seeing Blackarachnia work her way through the Predacon minefield. I have an immense fascination with this character. I wouldn't classify her as a favourite of mine but she strikes me as being so unique. There are layers on layers to her character and that's not something that I can say about many TFs. My favourite characters are all G1 and none lack the sensibility and nuance that her character carries.
My favourite one liner was this though:
Megatron: "I can suffer your treachery, lieutenant, but not your incompetence!" (hurls Tarantulas over the edge) "Treachery requires no mistakes."
The frustration though I can already see is how short this season is going to be. Three episodes left, one for Tigerhawk and then two for the finale. We hardly even get to see Megatron's new form which I find to be completely awesome. I had the toy for a long time before I even watched this episode and I have to say I am in love with the mold now. It's just so evil compared to that RiD mold.
But the RID toy turns into two dragons, and an evil elephant, an the evil hand of doom! So evil he can transform just to give you the finger. :D
In my opinion, the Beast Machines aesthetic was just really weird. The Transmetals worked really well in my opinion, since they were generally robot animals with some organic bits to remind you of their previous forms. Transmetal 2s, while I dislike the random machine/organic mashup, were alright (dragon Megatron for the win). Beast Machines were just weird. I don't think they really appealed to their market, what with the freakish mashup going on. The appeal of TMs was that they were animals which has vehicle modes. TM2s were an attempt to continue the first 'organic' designs with elements of TMs. Beast Machine's appeal? HAI GUYZ LOOK CYBER MUNKEYSQuote:
Originally Posted by kup
The main problem with Beast Machines was that the Maximals' beast modes were at times just too ambiguous. With Beast Wars, even Transmetals and Transmetal 2s, you can still look at their beast modes and know what they're meant to be. The BM Maximals' beast modes were so abstract that Hasbro felt compelled to label them on their packaging!
http://www.itaggit.com/Thumbnails/35...3422_large.jpg
^it's a bit hard to read here but right underneath "Optimus Primal" is the word "Gorilla." When you need to tell people what the hell the alt mode's meant to be, then you know it's not a good looking mode!
They did that with the original BW toys too.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57...rbeastcard.jpg
Although I agree on the beast modes looking like crap. Cheetor comes to mind-what kind of cheetah looks like that?
Hakuna Matata? :DQuote:
Originally Posted by SilverDragon
That's a bit different. That's like "transforms from robot to truck and back" that we had in G1.
Although Razorbeast and Cheetor aren't perfect replicas of their beast forms, if you look at Razorbeast you know that it's meant to be a boar. If you look at Cheetor it's very obvious that it's meant to be a cheetah.
Look at Beast Machines Skydive... its form is so obscure looking that even Hasbro themselves were confused and erroneously mislabelled its beast form on its card!
Let's play "guess the beast mode" with BM Skydive!
http://i12.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/e4/93/11c4_2.JPG
Is it supposed to be a:
a/ Pterodactyl
b/ Pteranodon
c/ Eagle
d/ Quetzalcoatlus
e/ Pelican
I vote for Quetzacoatl
Oops, that should read "Quetzalcoatlus" - which is a species of pterosaur. Quetzalcoatl is a God. :) My bad. :p
gosh do i miss that packaging, it reminds me back in the day where you could go and buy them at the stores lolQuote:
Originally Posted by SilverDragon
PELICAN pelicanpelicanpelican. i enjoyed that figure for the 3 hours i had him for, but i enjoyed rhinox more, thanx guysQuote:
Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime
That artwork/packaging is ssssso purty! :D (it's a shame that you can't open it without ruining the artwork... :()Quote:
Originally Posted by kuzzy
Wanna bet?
http://images.orgill.com/200x200/6794051.jpg
Other Victories
Very bad episode. I've watched this twice now and other than a toy selling exercise, this episode is among the worst in BWs. Can someone please explain to me the gimmick plot device about the Vok? It takes itself way too seriously for what is a contrived plot mechanism. Bad comedy.
"At least this time Waspinator has company" :D
I didn't like what they did to Airazor and Tigatron, and judging by the follow up fiction undoing it, others didn't either. The Vok are just not developed enough, and although there's explanations out there that the Vok are the Swarm from G2 comics or the future of humanity, or both, I just don't like them much at all. They were much more interesting when they were an unexplained mystery.
What? You mean you still haven't finished watching Beast Wars yet?!
Again, remember that they were taking a story that was intended to span for another series (season four) and compressed it into the final episodes because they'd already written and planned most of season three by time Hasbro told Mainframe to wrap things up by the end of Season Three and finish the series.
Given those less-than-ideal conditions you can understand why the story inevitably suffered as a result. The same thing happened at the end of the US G1 cartoon - "The Rebirth" was originally written to be a five-parter but well after Dave Wise had written the original treatment, Hasbro told Sunbow to change it to a three-parter and demanded that they showcase a whole bunch of toys within the first episode (hence why you have so many "hi then bye" appearances, e.g.: Punch/Counterpunch, Clones, Sixshot etc).
Hasbro dictated which episode a Transformer would appear or disappear and they would approve the character cast for each ep. So it would've been Hasbro that insisted on Tigerhawk appearing at the end - and of course, Tigatron and Airazor had been tied to the Vok since Season 2, so introducing Tigerhawk meant that they had to rapidly accelerate the Vok arc.
Yes, the latter half of Season 3 is very much a rush job - but it was due to reasons beyond Mainframe's control and they were desperately trying to tie up loose ends as ordered by Hasbro.
The Vok as descendants of the Swarm? That's a long bow... and you've got to be trying really hard there to even draw a link. I just can't even get over why in Season 1 they seem preoccupied with preserving the environment and blah and then now progress to being the gate keepers of all time and space? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Paulbot
And it might have been a rush job but that single episode is below the crappiness of some of the 1st season's worst which I did not think could be replicated. Hell, I just could not believe how two year old the whole plot device was. It took very little imagination and the whole episode then brings in the whole convenant, mystical angle that I honestly for the life of me could not even accept if it wasn't rushed. It's just a WTH and there are a hundred better ways they could have introduced the character of Tigerhawk.
I keep hearing the "you've got to understand" line when it comes to the end of Season 3 but no excuse could be made for such lame writing.