DOTM - not excited? [possible spoils]

[griffin]

My main gripe about TF2 was that the writers changed Optimus from being the iconic 'childhood hero' that every other version has been to past fans. This one was cold, callous and calculating... pretty much Decepticon in his behaviour, from killing a disabled Decepticon without hesitation at the start, to using and then dumping the body of Jetfire like trash at the end. And since he was dead for most of the movie, he was certainly not one of the Hero elements of TF2.
Those are the sorts of characteristics that Hasbro has power of veto over (one of the few things Bay doesn't have absolute power over in the TFs brand), with their small number of historically iconic characters, so this darkening of Optimus' character and removal of his 'hero' status would had to have been approved by Hasbro. Or else Bay is just making them so much money that they don't care what he does now.

[Bartrim]

My main gripe about TF2 was that the writers changed Optimus from being the iconic 'childhood hero' that every other version has been to past fans. This one was cold, callous and calculating... pretty much Decepticon in his behaviour, from killing a disabled Decepticon without hesitation at the start...

What about in the 1986 animated movie where "Childhood hero" G1 Prime has his gun aimed square at a crippled Megatron? No one gripes about that because Hot Rod didn't give Prime the chance to pull the trigger.

[Gutsman Heavy]

so this darkening of Optimus' character and removal of his 'hero' status would had to have been approved by Hasbro. Or else Bay is just making them so much money that they don't care what he does now.

Hot dog! We have a wiener!

No doubt hasbro loosened the strings when their purse was bursting at the seams thanks to Bay.

[gantz]

I am in the freak minority that enjoyed and likes ROTF (also spiderman 3 )

Was never off a fan of the passive aggressive Autobots, ah dudes, there is a whole fraction of Bots just waiting to annihilate you all, don't you think you should step it up a little?!

And thank you Bay, thats what you delivered. In addition to that, besides the dedicated fans, not many others want or like the 80's heroics. Its the new millennium, you want universal peace, you gonna have to murder and take down a few to achieve that!

[Skullcruncher]

Bay destroyed my childhood!

My mind will never be the same after seeing devestators privates!

The twins hate hate hate!!

Jolt was only on for 3 seconds!! Mad Rage all round!!!

I'm only going to watch the DVD once more this year as well if its on tv!!

Haha in all seriousness I didn't mind it overall, a couple of things I thought a bit odd when I first watched it was prime going bananas and why on earth there were so many of the same decepticon. It wasn't until I joined a couple of boards with all the so called 'fanboys' did I realise there was so much hate for it.

For DoTM yes I am looking forward to it more than any other movie of the year. Most likely becuase I have been following the news and previews about it unlike previous two I had no idea about what was happening until I saw them on the big screen.

[Bartrim]

I'm a fan of ROTF. The movie has it's faults I really think they should of waited until after the writers strike to make the film but all things considered I think they did quite well.

[UltraMarginal]

I am in the freak minority that enjoyed and likes ROTF (also spiderman 3 )

Was never off a fan of the passive aggressive Autobots, ah dudes, there is a whole fraction of Bots just waiting to annihilate you all, don't you think you should step it up a little?!

And thank you Bay, thats what you delivered. In addition to that, besides the dedicated fans, not many others want or like the 80's heroics. Its the new millennium, you want universal peace, you gonna have to murder and take down a few to achieve that!

I thoroughly enjoyed bits of it.

I loved the fight scene, in the forest, Elements of the fight scene at the end were great. the dynamic between Starscream and Megatron was fleshed out well. Jetfire was an SR-71 !! The more agresive tone of the autobots was pretty good I thought, maybe not the cold blooded killing but the overall agression reflected the attitude that you would be in after an eons long war.

What I didn't like, was the "pretender" though it was well explained in the novel, the old broken jetfire with a walking stick, spitting, drooling robots, devastator was such a waste of money and time and everything. the fallen.


Like has been said before, the bay movies have done so much for transformers, the have brought the property out into the mainstream, there is no way we would have the broad selectioni of tv shows, comics and most of all toys if it weren't for these films.

and more than anything else, i'll be going to the cinema to watch dotm, not for the quality script (though if it does have a quality script I'll be the last to complain), but for the giant robots "blowing shit up". If there's one thing that Michael Bay is good at it's car chases and blowing shit up.

[BlackConvoy]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that feels this way

This thread has brought back some awful flashbacks of ROTF that I'd forgotten about.

- The Pretender, enough said.
- The countless anonymous Decepticons there purely for fodder for the Autobot carnage.
- I guess he forgot he named the tank Devastator in the first film.
- The twins were annoying, if they'd died at the hands of Devastator, I could have been a bit more forgiving... but they took his face off. Not happy.
- Bumblebee tearing out Ravage's spine.
- Prime getting resurrected through "love".
- Decepticon babies??

To me, it felt like a video game. Not a good one either, much like every "game of the movie" is awful, this felt like watching someone play one of those. Its all about Prime, he goes through a stage killing a bunch of miscellaneous Decepticons before reaching a 'boss'. In between fights, theres some cutscenes involving Ms Fox curves and Mr Lebeouf's big ears, then its back to something involving Prime. Plenty of other robots make their token appearances for their 2 minutes of onscreen time. Even when he dies, its still all about Prime.

@Paulbot - True, there are a few great episodes, and I hope I don't offend when I bring up a few things from Season 2 that I didn't like...

- Seaspray turning into a mermaid.
- A transformer afraid of heights (Silverbolt).
- Ripping Prime's body into pieces and using them as parts around a city (I remember a part as a crocodile, his arm and rifle ontop of a building)... I forget the name of this episode.
- So many episodes with the "mini" transformers as the main characters, so kids that could only afford those still felt special (Ok, this sounds mean - I just didnt like them)
- Cosmos can fit all Autobots inside him (I dislike Astrotrain for this reason too)
- Whoever made the decision on how Warpath should speak.
- Omega Supreme is godlike in one episode, a broken down wreck in the next.
- Omega Supreme having happy-fun times on Cybertron with the Constructicons, 3 million years prior - yet Megatron created them in Season 1.
- Acid rain on Cybertron.

... now I sound like all I do is complain.

Season 1 had great characters, and build up to a nice finale, and the movie just topped it off for me.

I thoroughly enjoyed Beast Wars for the same reason. It had great character development and didn't try to cram each episode with a heap of new characters to try and sell. The plot twist at the end of Season 2 was fantastic.

Now we're at TF:Prime, I've not been so eager to see the next episode since I was a kid watching Gen1. Can't wait until this series hits Blu-ray.

BC

[Sky Shadow]

So I'm new here, and not looking for a fight...

Hi! I'm old here and just bought a new pair of virtual boxing gloves.

I grew up with G1, looking back on it now, Season 2 and 3 were pretty bad.

If Season 2 was pretty bad then Season 1 must have been completely awful.

This thread has brought back some awful flashbacks of ROTF that I'd forgotten about.

- The Pretender, enough said.

Alice was the only good bit in the film. She needs a toy.

I thoroughly enjoyed Beast Wars for the same reason. It had great character development and didn't try to cram each episode with a heap of new characters to try and sell. The plot twist at the end of Season 2 was fantastic.

Comparing Beast Wars to the G1 cartoon is like comparing apples and rotten orange peel.

...

Oh, and welcome!

[UltraMarginal]

Alice was the only good bit in the film. She needs a toy.

I don't think Hasbro make toys like that.