But even if you'd never heard of Transformers before seeing the movies, ROTF Prime still has a contradictory character shift from TF1 which doesn't seem to make sense.Originally Posted by shokwave2
I don't agree. You have your archetypal heroes (e.g. Superman, Captain America etc.) and you have anti-heroes (e.g. Batman, Wolverine etc.). Optimus Prime is traditionally meant to be a hero -- the Messiah Archetype. The movie universe retained a lot of this aspect with Prime's repeated compunction to sacrifice himself (e.g. wanting to merge the Cube with his chest, sacrificing himself to save Sam in the forest). So in many ways the movies establish Prime as a hero, not an antihero... yet what he did in Shanghai was more of an antiheroic act. Now if movie writers want to establish Optimus Prime as an antihero in their universe, okay... just do it. The issue I'm raising here is that MOVIE Optimus Prime (ignoring all other Optimus Primes) is heroic in the first movie and for most of ROTF... then he decides to execute Demolishor. Right.Originally Posted by shokwave2
Cos revenge is such a heroic trait. For the record, DemolishOr never tortured Prime. Demolishor certainly was a mass-murdering terror during the Cybertronian wars as he was a shock trooper who specifically set out to slaughter settlements of Autobot refugees. One of the few (if only) survivors of his onslaught was Sideswipe.Originally Posted by shokwave2
Not as far as we know.Originally Posted by shokwave2
Yes but the Optimus Prime we knew from the first movie would only kill if he felt there were no other option.Originally Posted by shokwave2
Unexplained/illogical character change = BAD story telling.Originally Posted by shokwave2
You can have characters change, but they need to explained to the audience. For example:
1: Anakin Skywalker.
Phantom Menace = selfless innocent child... separated from mother
Attack of the Clones = frustrated gifted youth who has feelings of greed (re: being held back) and attachment (re: mother)
Revenge of the Sith = feelings for attachment (re: Padme) and feelings of impotency lead to his fall to the Dark Side
2: Frodo Baggins
A naive and innocent youth whose contact with the One Ring gradually instills him with greed (it could have eventually made him like Gollum if he'd kept it long enough)
If they want to change Optimus Prime from being a hero (as seen in the first movie) to an antihero, then the audience deserves an explanation. It's just basic story-telling.
There's a big difference between killing an enemy combatant in the middle of a fight, and executing a P.O.W.Originally Posted by Oilspill
Jazz was attacking Megatron when he got killed. Jazz presented Megatron with lethal force and Megatron returned in kind. Jazz was KIA as a soldier... he was not an executed captive.Originally Posted by Oilspill