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    The best thing to do is read the product disclosure statement that comes with your visa debit card. I've had numerous such cards over the years, and they've all been the same, but you never know, things may have changed, and I'd hate to give you bad advice.

    On top of my own [relatively extensive] experience with credit/debit cards, I've integrated countless payment gateways for websites that process cards, and I'm also a certified Paypal developer (which means my name is on a webpage at Paypal.com and I get a lot of spam as a result )

    Regardless, usual disclaimers apply.

    1. In my experience, if you have a Visa or Mastercard "debit" card, you are afforded all the same purchase and fraud protection that comes with a Visa or Mastercard "credit" card. So, when I say "credit card", I'm referring to both.

    2. When you use such a card with an online purchase, one where you don't sign, it's called a "Card Not Present" transaction. If there is a dispute for such a transaction (e.g. fraud or goods not received), the burden is entirely on the merchant to prove you knowingly requested and received the goods.

    3. Also, with both Visa debit and Visa credit cards, with transactions I've disputed, the disputed amount is always credited to my account as soon as the dispute begins. If the dispute would have been found in my opponent's favor (never has), the money would have been re-withdrawn at the close of the dispute.

    4. Even if you use this credit as a Paypal funding source, all of the above still apply.

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyWarp91 View Post
    But if I use a Debit Card, what's to stop them from debiting out all my money in my account? Is there some sort of protection where I have to approve the debiting first? THat's my main concern. Sorry, I'm just new to cards.
    Most websites don't actually ever see your credit card. When you press submit after entering it, their web server sends it to their bank, their bank comes back with a Yay or Nay, and a transaction number. iTunes, Amazon, Sony and a few others do store your card. For them to do this and maintain their contracts with Visa/MC, they have to be audited and certified. In light of Sony, this actually doesn't mean much. But unless BBTS lets you STORE your credit card, instead of asking for it every time you make a payment, no one who works for BBTS will likely be able to see your credit card number.

    However, let's say BBTS, their processor, or the douchebag that installed a keystroke recorder on your PC, do in fact get your card number and use it maliciously, just see opening points #2 and #3.

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyWarp91 View Post
    With paypal, when I transfer money paypal sends me an email first before the transaction happens so I know that money is going over there.
    So, does this mean that before you go to the merchant, you login to Paypal and choose "Add Funds", then wait 3-5 days until Paypal says the money is there, and then you go to the merchant, say you want to pay with Paypal and use your now existing balance?

    OR, do you just go to the merchant, choose Paypal, pay by eCheque (aka Bank Trasfer), and let Paypal then suck the exact amount out of your bank account and give it to the merchant?

    If it's the first one, you will probably get some additional purchase protection from your bank. Otherwise, you will only have Paypal dispute protection, which I've had bad experiences with, and am not fond of. If your choice is these two, I'd definitely do the former.

    Quote Originally Posted by SkyWarp91 View Post
    What I've done now though is setup two different accounts where one is linked to a direct debit card used only for buying toys online and such. The main savings account would now be safe as there's no exposure to online stores but even if the toy spending account does get compromised, they'll barely be any dough in it.

    Was this a better move?
    I guess it all depends on how much you're talking about (which I don't need to know). It certainly can't hurt. However, if you have created a dedicated transactional bank account for toy purchasing, add that Visa debit card as a credit card to your Paypal account and fund all transactions with that. The separate bank account protections your savings, you'll now have instant purchase ability as well as the maximum possible purchase protection.

    Was that all confusing enough?

    Quote Originally Posted by Zippo View Post
    I always use Paypal with BBTS .. the payment is INSTANT rather than waiting 2-3 days for the payment to clear which when you are trying to make sure you ship an order under NZ's customs limit can be a lifesaver.
    Remember, the speed of Paypal depends on how you fund the transaction as well as whether you have a credit card attached to the account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydisc View Post
    Remember, the speed of Paypal depends on how you fund the transaction as well as whether you have a credit card attached to the account.
    New Zealand accounts can only have debit/credit cards or Paypal balance.
    So, instant payment

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    Cool. However, putting your credit card directly into BBTS (bypassing Paypal) should also be instant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydisc View Post
    Cool. However, putting your credit card directly into BBTS (bypassing Paypal) should also be instant.
    Its not, it processes for a day or so.

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    Okay so I got another question about BBTS - I opened a Pile of Loot for some preordered items + an in-stock item. All of the items are intended to be in the Pile of Loot, however only the in-stock item is visible while the preorders are not.

    Does this mean that the preorder items, when they become instock will then be automatically moved into the Pile of Loot or do I have to manually move them over?

    I could ask Customer Service this question but I have been bothering them quite a bit regarding some previous replacement items.

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    Yes it gets automatically moved to ur pile of loot after u have paid for them. If you have a credit card with them, ur card will be automatically be charged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uteiki View Post
    Yes it gets automatically moved to ur pile of loot after u have paid for them. If you have a credit card with them, ur card will be automatically be charged.
    Oh sweet, thanks mate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uteiki View Post
    Yes it gets automatically moved to ur pile of loot after u have paid for them. If you have a credit card with them, ur card will be automatically be charged.
    yep, it's quite a good system, even if they are a little more expensive sometimes.
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