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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin
    7 - Short-term gain is more important than long-term loyalty of Consumers. It is more important to excessively order the "Launching-Wave", to get more people in your store first, and make sure you outlast a competitor, just in case it is a popular product. This is more applicable to short-lived promotions (like Halloween) and Movie Toylines (that only have a small window of demand while it is in Theatres). But in the last two years, the mainline of Transformers have been treated the same, with excessive amounts of Wave 1 product in stores, that takes 6-8 months to move in most stores. And by then, most follow-up waves are missed by most Retailers, or the Line is discontinued completely by a Retailer. Consumers stop going back to a Store, that they have lost faith in, and it is the Major Retailer's fault for over-ordering on a long-term, non-movie line, instead of pacing itself across the first few Waves.
    If each Retail Store only has a limited amount of demand in its area to sell toy products, and they know what their area's demand is over the years, why would a Retailer's Product Buyer, force the Stores to stock more than their area can sell. Why over-saturate the Market, and prevent future profit by preventing enough turn-over to order in new stock? Over-saturate to the extent of having to discount at a loss, just to get rid of the excess stock.... and tarnishing the integrity of the Brand to both the Retailer and the Consumer. The end result has the Retailer labelling the Brand as toxic and less interested in buying it next time, but it was their own CHOICE that prevented them from making a full profit to begin with.
    For example, if a Store knows that it usually has demand for about 4 of each character toy in their Action Figure lines, should the Retailer's Product Buyer order 4 of each of the first 3 waves and sell all 12 at full price, or, order 12 of the first wave and only sell 4 at full price?
    Are the Major Retailer Buyers that stupid to not see how simple that is, or do they not care about what the individual Stores now have to deal with? You don't maximise profits by over-saturating the Market on a long-term Product Line and wash your hands of the responsibility of what Stores have to do with them. Otherwise, the individual Stores then have to sell a lot of them on sale, or even at a loss, without even once restocking to be able to sell more Product at full-price.
    In both 2012 and 2013, that's exactly what happened with Transformers - Prime in 2012, Beast Hunters in 2013. The Retailers must have treated them like short-lived Movie lines, and ordered the amount of Wave 1 stock that they should have ordered over 3 Waves. Over, and then had to sell a lot of it at a loss. Since the Major Retailers did the same thing in 2011 with the third Transformers Movie Line, the blame could indeed be on them, but pressure from Hasbro could be in play in the following two years, to keep their sales figures from dropping too much between Movies.
    If Major Retailers don't plan ahead on their Ordering and have an idea of what their Store's saturation point is for their long-term Toylines, more Consumers are going to look to other sources that were able to restock, because they didn't over-saturate the Market with the first wave... and often that means overseas purchasing.
    It seems to me that this is connected to the larger problem of Hasbro not really giving a rat's bottom about overseas customers. A smaller market means slower moving toys, but the retailers order in the same quantities on a per store basis, so we end up with an over-saturation of Wave 1. Now, major retailers as stated above don't care about their product very much, let alone which wave or which character is coming in. So why can't Hasbro, for the sake of the Australian or any other international market, make up a case that consists of each toy from the first two waves, rather than two toys from the first wave? The only possible answer is because, even though the products are definitely in production by the time they are sold outside the US, it's still easier to just make up the one wave 1 case for everywhere than have an international assortment. In this way some of the blame does lie with Hasbro, if only a small portion, for not getting all of their product out there efficiently.

    In a more general sense, this is a pretty good statement of the problems with toy chains in this country, but I wonder what the solutions are. And more importantly, what we as consumers can do to help solve the problem.

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    I noticed that you often stated that a media presence such as a cartoon, movie or show had a lot of impact on stores stocking the products. Having a cartoon or something for Generations or a line in a similar situation would probably help sell those products then, wouldn't it? I would like that to happen, even if it wasn't that good, at least we'd get the products from it. Interesting speech, Grif.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bidoofdude View Post
    I noticed that you often stated that a media presence such as a cartoon, movie or show had a lot of impact on stores stocking the products. Having a cartoon or something for Generations or a line in a similar situation would probably help sell those products then, wouldn't it? I would like that to happen, even if it wasn't that good, at least we'd get the products from it. Interesting speech, Grif.
    In a way though, the Generations line has had some sort of media presence. Since they usually homage some previous line. The classics sold well off the back of G1, RTS on the movie (and G1), WFC/FOC figures off the game and G1. Plus IIRC, it has been reported that Generations sold fairly well, even without any media presence.

    A good thing for the Generations line would be to have older TF cartoons running. we have Rhinox and Waspy kicking about, have a run of BW, a G1 run for some of the others. However I can see that could be an issue co-ordinating it.


    Back onto Griffin's point though. I can see his argument there and it doesn't surprise me in the slightest. Retail in Australia is a lazy beast and they have had it pretty good all things considered. Their complaints about the 'online shopping issue' which they seem to think is the problem just let's them avoid looking at how they run their business.

    I like supporting local jobs and would go for local shops, even at (some)of our prices, but the fact that we rarely get new stock in, I have NO interest in Construct-bots whastsoever (which appears to be the main focus of TFs at the moment in Australia) and whenever I do go to a shop the service is awful, even to the point where they want me to do my OWN checkout operating.

    Lazy practises which makes me want to avoid going into the shops as it's not a pleasant experience.

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    I wonder if the more recent generations figures coming with comics would count as media? I guess we will never know since the fourth movie toys we be everything we see for the next 18 months. Well at least the wave 1 figures.
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    And the thing is... market research doesn't have to be hard or terribly expensive. I've long appreciated how Takara(TOMY) and other Japanese companies elicit direct feedback from consumers with their product surveys. Initially it was through the use of self-addressed (postage paid in Japan) survey cards, and now with their online surveys. And with certain lines that have more of a collector appeal (e.g. reissues, MPs, BTs etc.) they actually allow consumers to either nominate and/or elect which characters they'd like to see as future products, and then actually make those products based on what fans are asking for. It's a relatively inexpensive thing to set up and maintain and IMHO actually trying to listen to consumers and making product decisions based on direct feedback works a lot better than trying to "force" products onto consumers without any consultation with the consumers. It's not rocket science.

    e.g. Q.38 from last year's TakaraTOMY online MP Survey...

    Prowl and Bluestreak already exist now, and figures like Ultra Magnus, Wheeljack and Star Sabre must've attracted enough votes for TakaraTOMY to greenlight them to be developed as MPs. And obviously enough people must've nominated "Bumblebee" in the "Other" option for that to be made as product too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoktimusPrime View Post
    And the thing is... market research doesn't have to be hard or terribly expensive. I've long appreciated how Takara(TOMY) and other Japanese companies elicit direct feedback from consumers with their product surveys. Initially it was through the use of self-addressed (postage paid in Japan) survey cards, and now with their online surveys. And with certain lines that have more of a collector appeal (e.g. reissues, MPs, BTs etc.) they actually allow consumers to either nominate and/or elect which characters they'd like to see as future products, and then actually make those products based on what fans are asking for. It's a relatively inexpensive thing to set up and maintain and IMHO actually trying to listen to consumers and making product decisions based on direct feedback works a lot better than trying to "force" products onto consumers without any consultation with the consumers. It's not rocket science.

    e.g. Q.38 from last year's TakaraTOMY online MP Survey...

    Prowl and Bluestreak already exist now, and figures like Ultra Magnus, Wheeljack and Star Sabre must've attracted enough votes for TakaraTOMY to greenlight them to be developed as MPs. And obviously enough people must've nominated "Bumblebee" in the "Other" option for that to be made as product too.
    Holy crap!!!

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    Western Retailers could learn a lot from how this sort of Market Research can pay dividends in the end. It doesn't guarantee a success (because it still depends on the execution of the designing of the toys), but it does improve the chances, and generates more hype for it and the Brand as a whole, because they are already catering to the more dedicated demographics.

    And obviously enough people must've nominated "Bumblebee" in the "Other" option for that to be made as product too.
    Considering the way fans are more put off by "Bumblebee" after the saturation of the toylines in the last 7 years, I would be thinking that it is more likely that Bumblebee is an internal choice. If there was any significant popularity among the older collectors for Bumblebee, it would have been an option on its own... but because Optimus and Bumblebee are the two main character names for toys to the general public, globally (since the Movies), it will be easier to sell in TRU to regular people AND fans.
    I also think it was already high on their list (to chase up licensing), because it would be one that Hasbro would want to bring over as soon as it can... and in multiple versions in the following years.
    If the licensing issue hadn't been such a problem from Volkswagon, I think we would have had Bumblebee as one of the first Masterpiece toys, just because of global recognition of the character to sell it anywhere (and pressure from Hasbro to do as many MP toys as possible that they can easily release themselves - as it would pay for the mould more than one that is exclusive to Japan).

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    Quote Originally Posted by griffin View Post
    Considering the way fans are more put off by "Bumblebee" after the saturation of the toylines in the last 7 years, I would be thinking that it is more likely that Bumblebee is an internal choice.
    Bear in mind that Bumblebee isn't nearly as over-saturated in Japan as he is in Western markets. Could be a combination of various factors.

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