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    ^ Plus the fact that the Dinobot moulds have been lost rules out a G1 reissue.

    Maybe the $25 ones are a simplified toy not a deluxe and some sort of statue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DELTAprime View Post
    ^ Plus the fact that the Dinobot moulds have been lost rules out a G1 reissue.

    Maybe the $25 ones are a simplified toy not a deluxe and some sort of statue.
    Since when have the Dinobots moulds been lost? Don't recall reading that one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trent View Post
    Since when have the Dinobots moulds been lost? Don't recall reading that one
    http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Mold#Lost_molds

    Known lost/stolen molds are:
    Generation 1 Grimlock
    Generation 1 Slag
    Generation 1 Sludge
    Generation 1 Snarl
    Generation 1 Swoop
    Generation 1 Mirage
    Most if not all of the Beast Wars basics

    Molds rumored to be lost:
    Generation 1 Sunstreaker

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    Saying that "most if not all of the Beast Wars Basics" are lost, is a ridiculous and blatantly incorrect generalisation for the TFWiki to make. Three BW Basic moulds are broken. The twenty-plus others are - as far as we know - perfectly fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Shadow View Post
    Saying that "most if not all of the Beast Wars Basics" are lost, is a ridiculous and blatantly incorrect generalisation for the TFWiki to make. Three BW Basic moulds are broken. The twenty-plus others are - as far as we know - perfectly fine.
    Really? Care to find a reference and edit the information?

    As someone that edits TFwiki a bit I really think we need to use references a lot more like Wikipedia does. A Wiki should be as indisputable as the Encyclopaedia Britannic. A scientific study a few years back found that Wikipedia has less errors than the Britannica, so I figure with a few reference links we should be able to get TFwiki up to the same standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DELTAprime View Post
    Really? Care to find a reference and edit the information?

    As someone that edits TFwiki a bit I really think we need to use references a lot more like Wikipedia does. A Wiki should be as indisputable as the Encyclopaedia Britannic. A scientific study a few years back found that Wikipedia has less errors than the Britannica, so I figure with a few reference links we should be able to get TFwiki up to the same standard.
    At BotCon about twelve years ago, Hasbro claimed that the mould for Basic Rattrap was lost or broken after being used for Packrat in 1997. Insecticon and (I believe) Armordillo had suffered a similar fate. Some people say Terrorsaur/Lazorbeak is also missing, but since it's been used for Fractyl, Hydra, Terranotron and Swoop (the latter two at the same time as Hasbro was talking about the missing moulds) it's probably just a rumour/misunderstanding. That leaves Basic Optimus Prime, Razorbeast, Megatron/Iguanus, Snapper, Airazor, Claw Jaw, Snarl, Drill Bit, Powerpinch, Razorclaw, Spittor, Air Hammer, Bantor, Noctorro, Buzzclaw, Quickstrike, Terragator, Nightglider, Optimus Minor, Sonar, Stinkbomb, Scarem and Spittor all intact as far as we know. So I assume whoever put that on the wiki took an offhand comment about three Basic moulds and mistranslated it into "most if not all of the Beast Wars Basics".

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    The "default setting" is that a mould exists until it is proven or quoted by a reliable source that it is lost or broken. Which means a reference listing that goes against the default, is the one that needs to provide evidence of those claims.
    The good thing about Wikis is that they often note their sources at the bottom of the pages... so the tfwiki just needs to note a source if they ever use the word "known".

    I personally am one who thinks that the odds are, that after all this time, most are now lost, since we've heard generalised comments in the past that many older moulds are gone... but unless it is proven, we have to blindly assume that they still exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sky Shadow View Post
    Saying that "most if not all of the Beast Wars Basics" are lost, is a ridiculous and blatantly incorrect generalisation for the TFWiki to make. Three BW Basic moulds are broken. The twenty-plus others are - as far as we know - perfectly fine.
    Quote Originally Posted by DELTAprime View Post
    ^ Plus the fact that the Dinobot moulds have been lost rules out a G1 reissue.

    I've never understood why they can't just examine the original toy and then build a new mold that would replicate it. It's like Megatron building all these doomsday weapons from the G1 cartoon. If the Autobots blow it up - just build another one!

    These molds were created - surely they can be recreated can't they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigTransformerTrev View Post
    I've never understood why they can't just examine the original toy and then build a new mold that would replicate it. It's like Megatron building all these doomsday weapons from the G1 cartoon. If the Autobots blow it up - just build another one!

    These molds were created - surely they can be recreated can't they?
    The problem is the expense. For a small run of reissues it's probably not worth recreating the moulds. According to toy makers moulds are expensive to mill. I'm a little skeptical of the expense of milling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DELTAprime View Post
    The problem is the expense. For a small run of reissues it's probably not worth recreating the moulds. According to toy makers moulds are expensive to mill. I'm a little skeptical of the expense of milling.

    Ah, fair enough

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