TF4 "Then & Now" sets coming to ToysRUs

[DELTAprime]

Saying that "most if not all of the Beast Wars Basics" are lost, is a ridiculous and blatantly incorrect generalisation for the TFWiki to make. Three BW Basic moulds are broken. The twenty-plus others are - as far as we know - perfectly fine.

Really? Care to find a reference and edit the information?

As someone that edits TFwiki a bit I really think we need to use references a lot more like Wikipedia does. A Wiki should be as indisputable as the Encyclopaedia Britannic. A scientific study a few years back found that Wikipedia has less errors than the Britannica, so I figure with a few reference links we should be able to get TFwiki up to the same standard.

[Sky Shadow]

Really? Care to find a reference and edit the information?

As someone that edits TFwiki a bit I really think we need to use references a lot more like Wikipedia does. A Wiki should be as indisputable as the Encyclopaedia Britannic. A scientific study a few years back found that Wikipedia has less errors than the Britannica, so I figure with a few reference links we should be able to get TFwiki up to the same standard.

At BotCon about twelve years ago, Hasbro claimed that the mould for Basic Rattrap was lost or broken after being used for Packrat in 1997. Insecticon and (I believe) Armordillo had suffered a similar fate. Some people say Terrorsaur/Lazorbeak is also missing, but since it's been used for Fractyl, Hydra, Terranotron and Swoop (the latter two at the same time as Hasbro was talking about the missing moulds) it's probably just a rumour/misunderstanding. That leaves Basic Optimus Prime, Razorbeast, Megatron/Iguanus, Snapper, Airazor, Claw Jaw, Snarl, Drill Bit, Powerpinch, Razorclaw, Spittor, Air Hammer, Bantor, Noctorro, Buzzclaw, Quickstrike, Terragator, Nightglider, Optimus Minor, Sonar, Stinkbomb, Scarem and Spittor all intact as far as we know. So I assume whoever put that on the wiki took an offhand comment about three Basic moulds and mistranslated it into "most if not all of the Beast Wars Basics".

[griffin]

The "default setting" is that a mould exists until it is proven or quoted by a reliable source that it is lost or broken. Which means a reference listing that goes against the default, is the one that needs to provide evidence of those claims.
The good thing about Wikis is that they often note their sources at the bottom of the pages... so the tfwiki just needs to note a source if they ever use the word "known".

I personally am one who thinks that the odds are, that after all this time, most are now lost, since we've heard generalised comments in the past that many older moulds are gone... but unless it is proven, we have to blindly assume that they still exist.

[DELTAprime]

The "default setting" is that a mould exists until it is proven or quoted by a reliable source that it is lost or broken. Which means a reference listing that goes against the default, is the one that needs to provide evidence of those claims.
The good thing about Wikis is that they often note their sources at the bottom of the pages... so the tfwiki just needs to note a source if they ever use the word "known".

I personally am one who thinks that the odds are, that after all this time, most are now lost, since we've heard generalised comments in the past that many older moulds are gone... but unless it is proven, we have to blindly assume that they still exist.

Well I fixed up it up to what we know from Botcon is lost. I fear that many moulds have been lost over the years myself. At least if they loose a modern mould they have the CAD designs to make a new one if it's an important/valuable mould.

[Sky Shadow]

Well I fixed up it up to what we know from Botcon is lost.

Awesome.

[ILikeSoundwave]

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transf...-grimlock.html

[Sky Shadow]

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transf...-grimlock.html

Bwahahahahaha! Seriously, I wish this was the first of April.

Also, it amuses me that the box says 1984 for a 2005 toy with 1984 engineering.