The Doctor Who thread

[GoktimusPrime]

Here's a simple graphic I made to try and get my head around the Doctor's incarnations and their chronology.

A: First Doctor (William Hartnell)
B: Second Doctor (Patrick Troughton)
C: Third Doctor (Jon Pertwee)
D: Fourth Doctor (Tom Baker)
※: The Watcher (Adrian Gibbs)
E: Fifth Doctor (Peter Davison)
F: Sixth Doctor (Colin Baker)
G: Seventh Doctor (Sylvester McCoy)
H: Eighth Doctor (Paul McGann)
I: War Doctor (John Hurt)
J: Ninth Doctor (Christopher Eccleston)
K: Tenth Doctor, pre meta-crisis (David Tennant)
★: Meta Crisis Doctor (David Tennant)
L: Tenth Doctor, post meta-crisis (David Tennant)
☆: Valeyard (Michael Jayston)
M: Eleventh Doctor (Matt Smith)
*: Dream Lord (Toby Jones)
N: Twelfth Doctor (Peter Capaldi)

[BigTransformerTrev]

Was half watching the last episode of the latest season on ABC2 last night whilst my toddler ran around. Every time a Cyberman came on he'd say 'robot' and point at the screen. However when one took its face off to reveal a dead Danny Pinks face underneath that really freaked him out, he went very quiet in my lap and help my hand over his eyes so he couldn't see the TV.

Don't really blame him. There are some ep's where I remember that a freaky bit is coming up and switch it off before Orion can see it.

[griffin]

New Season starts tomorrow (Sunday).
Unlike last season, they don't appear to have the episodes screening at 4/5am in the morning after it airs in England.... but is supposed to be on Iview instead if you can't wait until the 7.30pm screening on ABC.
And if you miss that, it will repeat twice during the week on ABC2, and be on Iview for a week or two.

[Ultra Mackness]

I couldn't wait till later so I watched it.

I'm trying to be careful to not give away anything, but there were some surprises for me and I really enjoyed it.

Can't wait for next episode and I haven't really felt that way since Tennant was at the helm

[BigTransformerTrev]

Yeah it's hard to discuss tonights ep without giving spoilers away.

In the first few seconds of the show I was thinking 'oh, here we are in some old war on earth yet again. Oh man - am I actually getting bored with Dr Who?!" Then it's suddenly lasers and freaky hand things and it just escalated from there.

Suffice it to say there was so much going on in this episode it felt like a season finale rather than a season opener Freakin good stuff!

[GoktimusPrime]

I think it's fair to assume that there may be spoilers about the new ep/season from here on. Spoilers ahead...



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Non-Caucasian looking Kaleds! I personally think that it's good to try and introduce more ethnic diversity into the show, especially among alien humanoids. We've already seen attempts at introducing more diversity into other humanoid aliens, such as Time Lords. Besides, it don't matter if your black or white, cos in the end they all look like cycloptic squids!

Coincidentally I was actually re-watching The Genesis of the Daleks just last week, so the memories of that episode are still fresh in my mind; revisiting the dilemma that the Fourth Doctor faced with detonating the incubation chamber and killing the Dalek race at the moment of the creation. But here's the thing, when the Doctor was sent to Skaro to intervene with the Dalek's creation, he was actually given several options:
* Avert their creation
* Alter their nature (i.e. make them less aggressive)
* Discover an inherent weakness
The Doctor initially tried to alter their nature, asking Davros not to strip the Daleks of their morality (as did some other sympathetic Kaleds, who attempted a coup that ultimately failed). He couldn't discover any inherent weakness, so the only option he had left was to commit genocide, but he only managed to trap the Daleks for a thousand years.

So here's the thing... the Twelfth Doctor has inadvertently travelled back to Skaro and discovered Davros as a boy. Rather than killing him, why doesn't he just rescue Davros and mentor the boy? Try to help Davros grow into a better man --- a man who doesn't believe that morality and compassion are weaknesses, and thus attempt to pass these "strengths" onto the Daleks. If the Doctor can guide Davros into becoming a compassionate man, then there's a fair chance that the Daleks would become compassionate beings. Save Clara, save the freakin' future! The Doctor would finally complete the mission that the Time Lords assigned to him back in The Genesis of the Daleks.

P.S.: It would be similar to what the Doctor tried to do with Kazran Sardick, although Sardick did still become the mean person that the Doctor was trying to change. But the Doctor could at least try to change Davros, and if that fails, then kill him. Spending decades becoming Davros' confidant would allow the Doctor to be trusted by him and get close, which would make it easier to assassinate him if changing Davros' nature would appear to be impossible.

[griffin]

I'm really starting to hate how no one dies in Doctor Who, unless they are a friend of the Doctor.

If they can't afford to lose two of his biggest villains, then don't kill them off... again and again and again.
And they don't even bother to try to explain it anymore. At least in the original series, they would explain a "return after death", even if it was sometimes a little far-fetched. But at least they tried and not just have dead people show up without a reason.

[liegeprime]

P.S.: It would be similar to what the Doctor tried to do with Kazran Sardick, although Sardick did still become the mean person that the Doctor was trying to change. But the Doctor could at least try to change Davros, and if that fails, then kill him. Spending decades becoming Davros' confidant would allow the Doctor to be trusted by him and get close, which would make it easier to assassinate him if changing Davros' nature would appear to be impossible.

or just kill the boy rather than spend years wasting it on the boy influencing him to morality and compassion and wotnot only to find, it doesn't work.... he's already an evil person presently. So, presented with the chance, just off the fellow in one quick swoop. Easier, faster mission accomplished.

Also I don't think trapping the Daleks can count as genocide... they didn't die, they're just misplaced somewhere.... he should've sent the entire race in the heart of a star, then that's genocide and that would've ended their menace. mission accomplished again, the Doctor for all his knowledge and power is indeed such a weak and flawed creature heheheh.