Hasbro reveal - Legacy w2 & Robosen Trailer

[Tha_Phantom]

Oh yeah. She doesn't resemble a Porsche 959 in Alt-mode. But basically, everything else is there to say this is Minerva.

Yeah after seeing the comparison of Elita-1 next to a comic image of Minerva I'm convinced they're going that route. They did pretty well retooling SS86 Jazz away from being a Porsche into Knockout, so hopefully they can retool Elita-1 into one.

I had a look through all the various pics available, and it doesn't seem like the arms attach via the old combiner pegs. In fact, it looks very much like the arm has a socket that clips onto some sort of peg extending out from the torso, which is the inverse of the CW method.

Yeah, I noticed the same. I do strongly agree with Jaxius that those knees look CW compatible though. It could just be a case of Legends Godbomber all over again.

[JJJ]

Yeah, I noticed the same. I do strongly agree with Jaxius that those knees look CW compatible though.

Oh, no question at all about the legs, definitely the CW connectors there.

[Autocon]

Tarantulus is great!!

[KELPIE]

The Jihaxus looks ok, but is still easily the best version of the character. Hopefully it sells well enough that the character is tacked again sometime.

I was under the opinion that Hasbro couldn't determine which individual characters sold well, just how well the wave sold in general?

Excellent point. This has long been an issue of contention with female Transformers; they really shouldn't be looking so... "buxom". Just let robots look like robots. It's not as if the male Transformers all look like beefcakes.

Difficult topic, however they should all really be gender neutral... However I get that they aren't and why they shouldn't.

For Elita and her Dunebuggy alt mode, I just hope that a) it can be tooled to look like her proper alt mode, or they don't try and ham-fist Nightbeat into that mould and b) this dunebuggy does not equal Sureshot, Joyride, Ruckus. and I seriously want those guys, but not repurposed from this.

[GoktimusPrime]

Difficult topic, however they should all really be gender neutral... However I get that they aren't and why they shouldn't.

Transformers have genders to make them more relatable to the audience, and because languages like English lack gender-neutral third person pronouns. The first (and only?) tech specs bio in English to have no gendered pronouns was G2 Dreadwing/Smokescreen, making them the first gender-neutral Transformers... for a short while at least - until they appeared in the G2 comics and were referred to with male pronouns. And also because the voice actors/actresses are either men or women, and will have a man's or woman's voice.

I gotta admit that Machine Men handled robot genders better than Transformers. Lipstick aside (which TFs is equally guilty of), none of the female Machine Men had effeminate body proportions. Toys were just randomly assigned as male or female and just looked like their toys. And female Machine Men with faceplates just looked the same as the male robots... you couldn't tell if they were male or female until you heard their voices.

For Elita and her Dunebuggy alt mode, I just hope that a) it can be tooled to look like her proper alt mode, or they don't try and ham-fist Nightbeat into that mould and b) this dunebuggy does not equal Sureshot, Joyride, Ruckus. and I seriously want those guys, but not repurposed from this.

It might not be so bad if these characters have already been pre-purposed as other characters, like Nightbeat. I think that pre-tooling is a better option than retooling. e.g. Earthrise Cliffjumper was also pre-tooled as Bumblebee. It's obvious that from the outset, that mould was built to be both characters (then later retooled as Hubcap). As a result, all three figures are pretty solid. Kingdom Ultra Magnus on the other hand is clearly a retrospective retool of Siege Ultra Magnus, and does consequently suffer somewhat.

[griffin]

As others have pointed out, it does seem to be a pre-tool of Minerva. The alt mode does look much more G1-accurate than the Netflix figure though. To me it looks like what Elita-1 might transform into if she scanned an Earth mode.

Even though we never get a good look at Elita-1 in the original cartoon, we saw the front part as a pointed vehicle a bit like Arcee, which is nothing like the square car in Legacy...



...but they did homage her head poking out the top though, so I guess that's one thing. I just don't know why they chose this vehicle mode, as if the previous toys with very odd alt-modes (a boat for BotCon, a Jet for POTP, an Arcee redeco for Netflix toyline) made it okay to keep the tradition alive.

As for the claim that people are saying that Elita-1 is a "pre-tool of Minerva", I find it hard to believe because the car and robot mode of Elita-1 look nothing like the original Minerva toy or JP cartoon appearance (or any appearance that I could see on the tfwiki page for Gen1 Minerva (referring to the non-human component) and Animated Minerva), which would need a major remould t

The original Minerva toy and cartoon appearance looked more like the Jazz car than Legacy Elita-1, but if the focus is on robot modes being accurate, a remoulded SS Jazz toy might look right in car mode, but not in robot mode with the car front on the chest.

[Paulbot]

As for the claim that people are saying that Elita-1 is a "pre-tool of Minerva", I find it hard to believe because the car and robot mode of Elita-1 look nothing like the original Minerva toy or JP cartoon appearance (or any appearance that I could see on the tfwiki page for Gen1 Minerva (referring to the non-human component) and Animated Minerva), which would need a major remould t

You probably have not caught up with the IDW Wreckers Treads and Ciruits comic yet as I know you have a backlog of comics. In the book Minerva is drawn looking just like this Elita-1 toy (but with a head that's more like the original version.)

The same series featured Knock Out based on the toy that's just been revealed (people picked up his comic appearance was a Studio Series Jazz retool)

[reillyd]

Transformers have genders to make them more relatable to the audience, and because languages like English lack gender-neutral third person pronouns. The first (and only?) tech specs bio in English to have no gendered pronouns was G2 Dreadwing/Smokescreen, making them the first gender-neutral Transformers... for a short while at least - until they appeared in the G2 comics and were referred to with male pronouns. And also because the voice actors/actresses are either men or women, and will have a man's or woman's voice.

I always thought Starscream was the first gender neutral, or at least gender non-binary, Transformer.
The voice was always ambiguous and sounded very feminine, and at best Starscream?s personality was androgynous with elements of masculine and feminine. Even through the eyes of a child at the time, Starscream seemed?.. both boy/girl combined.

[Trent]

It is a strange way of seeing if there is interest (I couldn't find anything on their actual website), so if they really are doing something for non-Americans, I'm not sure how they were going to do it (like through an agent in certain countries, or directly from America).

The official product page on the Robosen website, with heaps of info and images, to be released in November 2022.

(the price for the trailer from the site (only to America) is us$750... but they are currently selling the Optimus cab for us$1000, which keeps going up, as it was originally released for us$700)

I look at this trailer and all I can think is that Armada Optimus says hi.