Super God Masterforce

**Paulbot** · 17th February 2008, 08:08 PM

As a lot of people are buying Masterforce DVDs at the moment, what are people's first reactions?

I've watched the first four episodes and really like this series so far.

I'm only about one disc into the Headmaster series because I found it frustrating to watch, for a couple of reasons: a very bad sub job, that it looked like lost G1 episodes but didn't feel like it; and there were too many characters and locations and clunky narration trying to explain what was happening.

Masterforce has introducing the characters slowly and it's worked much better. The animation is much better and the narration non-existent.

I've not noticed one error in the subtitles yet, although I find the translation of Cybertron and Destron a little annoying because I keep hearing the characters say it.

The Autobot characters are fun (but why does Phoenix have Wolverine's hair?) and the human ones who are clearly going to play a big part aren't bad either. In part because they won't be saving the day by giving Metalhawk instructions but my working on the same level as the Pretenders. I like that in their first mission they are told not to fight and it leads to a scene that's the closest we'll ever see to Cybertron school yard bullying!

The way that Pretender and Headmaster technology works in this universe is much better than the G1 comics. The Autobots really are pretending to be humans, the Decepticons are hiding their true nature. The confusing and poorly executed Nebulan and Transformer mind working together in the comics never really worked... I prefer the idea that the head component controls the larger body (whether the head is either Transformer or Human).

Even the Seacons as Terrorcon-like disposable drones hasn't bothered me like I thought it would either.

And unlike when I watched Headmasters I'm totally fine with calling these characters by the Japanese names because they feel like new characters. I'm already searching Ebay for a Goshooter.

So what are other's initial thoughts?

**1orion2many** · 17th February 2008, 11:06 PM

I'm pretty much the same with Headmasters, it's a real chore to watch but I will not touch the Masterforce DVD set I bought until I have finally finished watching HM.

**kup** · 17th February 2008, 11:16 PM

I very much enjoyed Masterforce and its one of those series that gets better and better as it goes. The ending is very epic and will not dissapoint.

I have also rencetly finished watching Victory, at first it seemed like it was going to be a chore to watch as it had many strange Japanese elements but it quickly went passed that in the first few episode and its quality increased to something similar to Masterforce although I still prefer MF than Victory however but its not far behind.

I am now proud to say that I have watched every single bit of G1 animation ever released (including Zone)

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**Sam** · 17th February 2008, 11:42 PM

I saw it today at Kinokuniya, bought it straight away because I know I'd want to watch it.

Haven't opened it yet though.

**i_amtrunks** · 18th February 2008, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by Sam

I saw it today at Kinokuniya, bought it straight away because I know I'd want to watch it.

Haven't opened it yet though.

Dammit, I went looking there for it yesterday and they had already sold it!
JB at Town Hall didnt have it either, so had to go back to Parra to grab it!

Havent had a chance to watch it yet, but from memory of watching old fansubs on VHS, the animation was a lot nicer than G1 in general...

**GoktimusPrime** · 18th February 2008, 07:49 PM

First impressions? Ooh, that's going back many years as I first watched Masterforce back in 1993 - albeit that was the horrific StarTV dub. That confused the hell out of me thanks to it's complete incompetent translation of the script. :/

I got a fan subbed version about a year or two ago, and I really enjoyed that. The story does involve humans a lot - humans effectively controlling/piloting transtectors, which is a new concept to get used to - but once you get used to it it's a very decent story.

The advantage of having humans controlling Transformers is that the humans aren't completely useless bystanders like in so many other Transformer series (e.g.: Daniel, Rad, Sari etc). They're actually participating with the Transformers and making an actual contribution to the Transformers' war - after all, it's being waged on their world with their people as casualties. And Masterforce makes the threat to humanity abundantly clear, even in the first episode with the Canadian passenger cruiser being attacked by Decepticon Pretenders and of course, with Dr. Gou (Shuuta's father) being a direct casualty. It's not as good as the binary bonding between Transformers and Nebulans in the G1 comics - which was an actual symbiosis between Cybertronians and Nebulans. The problem with the Headmaster Jr concept is that only the human or Transformer is ever dominant at one time whereas in the Marvel comics both minds were conscious with both minds eventually merging into one.

The animation is really good... although Victory is just as good (arguably better toward the end) and nothing beats the animation in Zone.

**autobreadticon** · 20th February 2008, 12:28 PM

yesterday i brought the headmasters and i am really enjyoing. I find that if you watch it jap audio and english subtitles , you dont concentrate on the predictable direction of each episode. But the constant inclusion of ALOT of different t/f and battles is eye candy. And the story telling is broken up to different scenarios and character events happening at the same time, so its like we get to witness groups of characters reacting in different ways.

things i found out are wheelie is a even worst little s#iT and daniel is a little brat.

**Pulse** · 24th February 2008, 09:50 PM

I just finished watching all 42 episodes &, I have to say, it was really good. Good character development, Story continuation & not too many pointless episodes.

Even though I had previously heard that there were too many humans in the story, I found their numbers acceptable. Great buildup to the big finish, Not nearly as many deaths as there was in Headmasters & excellent animation to top it all off.

A couple of points that seemed to stick out to me:
# Just like Headmasters, There were 3 Destron Pretenders to battle the 4 Cybertron Pretenders - bit of an unfair advantage, don't cha think?

# In the final battle in the last episode, the only Cybertron pretender involved was Hawk - where were the other 3?

# I really enjoyed the "human feelings storyline" incorporated into the 3 Destron Headmaster Juniors & Clouder/Doubleclouder storyline and their decision to change sides

# If Shuta, Cab & Minerva are only supposed to be kids, how can they drive their vehicles & Godbomber?

# As a toy, Browning is all kinds of awesomesauce - but as a character in the cartoon series, Browning is basically a tiny pet who is nearly as annoying as Danny/Wheelie. Browning doesn't even come close to their level of annoyingness due to the fact that he's seen much more sparingly than those two. Couldn't they have thought of a much better character for Browning in the series other than being a pet to Cancer?

# It seemed like Ginrai kept getting one powerup after another to become strong enough/powerful enough/big enough to be able to fight Buster & Hydra, Overlord & then Black Zarak. Couldn't any other Cybertrons stand up to the might of these Destrons or did Ginrai/Super Ginrai/God Ginrai have to do all the work himself?

# Wouldn't it have been cool if Bludgeon was a part of the series as well

# How do the Seacons multiply their numbers so easily, become destroyed so easily & are ready for another battle as soon as the next episode?

Oh, & guess what's up for preorder already http://www.ezydvd.com.au/item.zml/798922 I can't wait. I gonna be pre-ordering it tomorrow from my nearest Ezydvd store. Damn May can't get here soon enough.

**dirge** · 24th February 2008, 10:47 PM