Counting this ROTF Set???

[Ironhide63]

Ok, you might'nt get what Im asking by the title but hopefully you've came to help me anyway. If you bought the Supreme class Devastator...would that be 6 transformers added to your collection, or 7, including devastator himself?. Or none because they...dont transform...in which case it would be 1? but devastator doesnt transform...trying to figure this out so plz respond.

[Sky Shadow]

Ok, you might'nt get what Im asking by the title but hopefully you've came to help me anyway. If you bought the Supreme class Devastator...would that be 6 transformers added to your collection, or 7, including devastator himself?. Or none because they...dont transform...in which case it would be 1? but devastator doesnt transform...trying to figure this out so plz respond.

I would count it as one. He's like Magmatron or Flywheels or Tidal Wave or Energon Optimus Prime - non-transforming components that combine into a robot mode.

[griffin]

Until the movie is released, please keep movie related topics in the Movie section, even if it just a question. And make sure you don't have any names in the topic title.
Thanks.

[Jetfire]

I would say 6, Devastator is just the sum of parts

[Gutsman Heavy]

I would say 6, Devastator is just the sum of parts

agree, even if there are no bot modes, they are still their own characters.

[dirge]

I'd say one. On their own the components don't transform into anything. Mind you, I won't be getting it anyway.

[Deceptic_Optic]

Ok, you might'nt get what Im asking by the title but hopefully you've came to help me anyway. If you bought the Supreme class Devastator...would that be 6 transformers added to your collection, or 7, including devastator himself?. Or none because they...dont transform...in which case it would be 1? but devastator doesnt transform...trying to figure this out so plz respond.

I am very curios about what toys uve got? Got any images?

[GoktimusPrime]

Interesting question.

As far as the Universal Counting Method is concerned...

Although Article04 states:

Only the component members of a gestalt team count.

I'd say that this is negated by Article05 and Article17.

Article05 states;

Individual combiner robots count separately but multi-in-1 components do not.

Devastator's individual parts are like "multi-in-1 components," much like say the two halves of the Duocons or say Skysaur, Landsaur and Seasaur - the three individual components of Magmatron. Furthermore they lack robot modes.

Furthermore, Article17 states:

All transforming movie Transformers count but non-transforming movie Transformers do not.

While these vehicles are able to combine, I'd say that they do not fall under the conventional definition of "transform" as far as Transformers action figures are concerned.

I might bring up this discussion again in the UCM Discussion thread after RotF has come out. But for now I'm just keeping it in this section for spoiler reasons.

[Ode to a Grasshopper]

Good question, they still do transform but they're sold more as components of a single character...hmm. Also they're sold as a set without the individual components available separately (as Dev components), unlike the G1 gestalts (excluding duocons etc).
The crux of it comes down to whether you're counting them as toys or characters...if it's toys then it'd be 6, if characters I'd go with 1 as the characters themselves are subsumed under the Devastator whole. I'm inclined towards 1 myself, but that's JMO.

On a related topic, how about the Ice-cream twins?

[Zahhak]

Another reason why I'd count Devs as only one toy..would anyone wan't a single part of the combiner? you know many of us want single gesalt team members e.g. Swindle, but I can't imagine I'd go searching ebay for Devs left arm unless I bought him and lost/broke it.

On a related topic, how about the Ice-cream twins?

hmm while they have bot modes each they only have one combined form, so I'd say it falls under just one. Also it kinda falls under what I said above in that no one would really want half the set,
Despite the fact they are disticatly two characters, they only transfrom together...That being said what if in the movie we see one of the halves use their alt mode seperatly....e.g. the front end drvies round for a bit by itself.

That being said is it even possiable to transform the twins apart?