2010 Razzies

[Robzy]

The other thing is that I - for example - am someone for whom the Transformers franchise has produced some of my favourite media ever . People who love what they do, with limited budgets have produced amazing comic books (Marvel UK), CGI television (Beast Wars), more traditional cartoons (Animated) etc. that literally shaped my life. And yet, with $200,000,000 they somehow managed to make this film, complete with gaping plotholes, visually painful designs and potty humour. It was a film not created with love, but by a director who hates the "lame" G1 cartoon, hates the first ten minutes of the original 1986 movie (all that he's seen) hates Transformers in general (and thus focuses instead on humans and the military) and a lead actress who hates... well, everything, including the "#@$*ing pyramids". It's quite clearly not a work of passion and that message shines through the half-arsed celluloid.

My point is, that if I - someone who's actually spent months of his life watching and enjoying countless media about giant transforming robots - think this movie was awful, how might 700 film buff Razzie voters who don't necessarily have my predilection for Transformers feel about it and having to sit through it for two and a half hours.

QFT!! Perfect!!

So by that rationale shouldn't the Razzie go to Avatar considering all the time and money that wwent into that and it's nothing but a glitzed up version of Pocahontas?

Avatar was excellent! At least it had a coherent plot and characters that were interesting. Plus its visuals were astonishing! On top of that, it was made by a fastidious director who is passionate about the material. ROTF was slapped together (proudly) by its pre-set release date, even though it was well documented that the Writers were on strike! As Sky Shadow wrote (above), it was evident watching the movie that there was no passion whatsoever!

[Bartrim]

Avatar was excellent! At least it had a coherent plot and characters that were interesting. Plus its visuals were astonishing! !

In your opinion Robzy (which you are entitled too and I respect it)

In my opinion Avatar was visually excellent but it was a very basic plot filled with a whole lot of character stereotypes. I prefer ROTF as atleast I didn't know what was going to happen. I had Avatar worked out in about 20 minutes and I don't wish to insult anyone by assuming but if anyone couldn't tell what was going to happen then I seriously question that persons intelligence. My wife is dying to watch it and I'm actually shuddering at the thought of losing another 3 hrs of my life.

Please noone use the excuse that Avatar was super successful because ROTF was too.

Again just my opinion.

[Gutsman Heavy]

Unoriginal =/= Bad.

[GoktimusPrime]

yeah, almost every thing is ripped off or inspired by something else. i believe there's a chinese proverb that says, "there has been no new thought for the last 100 years."

the 1st star wars movie was a blend of flash gordon + kurosawa jp period epic + mythology + etc. yet it is awesome.
jedi = samurai in space w/ laser swords
sith = ninja in space w/ laser swords

i like avatar even if it's scifi pocahontas

[Robzy]

In my opinion Avatar was visually excellent but it was a very basic plot filled with a whole lot of character stereotypes.

Ah, but you see.... even if the plot was "basic" at least it was (as I wrote earlier) "coherent"...

As Gutsman Heavy wrote a few post ago, not every film's plot has to be incredibly complicated to work. In fact, with all the visuals going on, I dare say Avatar wouldn't have been as successful if its plot was any more complicated! Star Wars' plot is very basic... is that a crap movie too?

Sadly, ROTF was full of plot holes (not to mention the biggest Deus Ex Machina [literally] I've seen in years).

But, again, I don't care that you liked ROTF. More power to you!

I prefer ROTF as atleast I didn't know what was going to happen.

No one did... not even Michael Bay! That's what happens when you start filming before the script is finished!!

I had Avatar worked out in about 20 minutes and I don't wish to insult anyone by assuming but if anyone couldn't tell what was going to happen then I seriously question that persons intelligence.

Geez, and that's supposed to not be insulting???! So, if I was surprised by anything that happened in Avatar I must be an idiot? Cheers!

Please noone use the excuse that Avatar was super successful because ROTF was too.

The difference with Avatar is that its Box Office numbers got stronger, which meant it was doing something right on the word-of-mouth scene! Obviously more people liked Avatar then disliked it!

yeah, almost every thing is ripped off or inspired by something else. i believe there's a chinese proverb that says, "there has been no new thought for the last 100 years."

the 1st star wars movie was a blend of flash gordon + kurosawa jp period

Yep. Star Wars was almost a "remake" of The Hidden Fortress. And what about Tarantino's Reservoir Dogs... that was very "similar" to both City on Fire and Kansas City Confidential! Almost exactly similar!

[Bartrim]

Geez, and that's supposed to not be insulting???! So, if I was surprised by anything that happened in Avatar I must be an idiot? Cheers!

Did I say you must be an idiot? No I don't believe I said those I words. I said I would question your intelligence. Unfortunately this is not a perfect world and we not all created equal and intellenge levels differ person to person.

I will say this. My brother does not watch a movie unless it involves Star Wars, The Simpsons, James Bond, Ford Fairlane or a dead guy named Bernie (but not the sequel) and I described the first 20minutes of Avatar to him and he basically cut me off and finished the story.

I've said my peace for this thread. I'll leave everyone here to make fun of a box office success at their own will.

[Gutsman Heavy]

I can do that too!

Rom-com: they'll get together!
Horror: the baddie will come back for one last scare!
Action/Adventure: the good guy will win!