Canon

[LordCyrusOmega]

No, I meant the Beast Machines. If the Maximals lost in that series it would open the way for Trans Tech. Everything else is spot on.

The Covenant of Primus wasn't a foretelling, it was more of a history book. Because they travelled back in time they're exploits in the Beast Wars were recorded though they didn't know it was a history lesson nutil they actually wen back in time. Time Travel does my head in.

I like the concept of how they were meant to bring back Transmetal technology rather then organic life. Going back to that shared state does seem like de-evolution but also is about restoring the balance

[Verno]

No, I meant the Beast Machines. If the Maximals lost in that series it would open the way for Trans Tech. Everything else is spot on.

If the Maximals lost BM, then there would be no one to fight Megatron. Megatron already had Cheetor's, Rattrap's etc sparks, and only left Optimus to fight him. If Optimus had lost, then it was game over. There were no other bots around to take up arms.

[theheretic]

What about off world autobots such as the junkions? A few of those with optimus at command could free some random sparks (I'd leave rattrap, LOL). Or alternatively you could bring back a fan favourite in (wait for it) Waspinator. Having been left on earth he could have stayed hidden with a covenant of primus (perhaps stolen from the heavily damaged nemesis) to read for millions of years and possibly begin to understand, making him a sort of new Alpha Trion (like from the WFC exodus book). He could return to cybertron at just the right moment having knowledge of what he needed to do from the covenant and having perfected his own transformations from studying the book. These are only ideas I'm rolling off the top of my head remember so probably flawed by other series events.

[Verno]

He could read the Covenant on his long flight home

[theheretic]

He could read the Covenant on his long flight home

True. I was more thinking that he's left on Earth millions of years in the past so be could hang out there for a while with his reading material. He could even check out some G1 action take place first hand and being from their distant future he could probably evade detection completely. Whose to say Waspinator wasn't present for all of the events of G1 and so on.

EDIT: And it would be kinda nice seeing Waspinator become a very intelligent and resourceful Transformer as he was always a bit behind everyone else. Nothing a few million years couldn't fix

[1orion2many]

Meh it's all to anarchic now that's why I don't really read any of the comics at the moment. BM Rattrap was an abomination, talk about completely destroying a character from his original BW form, He must have a severe personality disorder. I don't have a lot to say about canon or the like as it annoys me that there really isn't anything that you can call continuity. It's like they had a room for a story ideas, posted them up on the walls, ceiling and floor then threw a super ball, whatever it hit was going to get a go in the TF universe

[Verno]

BM = Character assassination.

It wasn't just Rattrap. Blackarachnia was probably the ONLY one that didn't get screwed character 'development' wise.

I'm all for character development. Look at Cheetor in BW. But when you betray the fundamental characteristics of a character, that's not good in my books.

[1orion2many]

Rhinox was a real shocker as well, assasination is the right word for him and if I think on it a bit more just about all of the cast Oh and maybe Megatron was true to form.

[GoktimusPrime]

BM = Character assassination.

+1 - I like this term!

It wasn't just Rattrap. Blackarachnia was probably the ONLY one that didn't get screwed character 'development' wise.

And Cheetor. Actually, Cheetor got pretty good character development in BM... arguably the only character who got developed in BM. But yeah, the rest of them were pretty screwed.

Oh and maybe Megatron was true to form.

I disagree. BM Megatron is actually a great character in his own right - in many aspects a great tribute to his G1 namesake because his entire philosophy was based on G1 Megatron's motto of "Peace through tyranny" -- and he genuinely believed in it too. But he's just NOT the same character as Beast Wars Megatron.

As Verno said, BW Megatron never had a disdain for organics. Neither did Rhinox. Where did they pull that out of? (/rhetorical.question) BW Megatron also never had this Saviour-Messiah complex which BM Megatron has (which also makes him an interesting antagonist and is one of the more fascinating aspects of Beast Machines -- both the protagonist and the antagonist of the story see themselves as saviours; it's just that they have diametrically opposed values). BW Megatron relished in being a villain, as seen in the end of "The Agenda Part 3" as he taunts the Maximals while they fade out of existence after his attempted assassination of G1 Optimus Prime. At best, BW Megatron's interests spread as far as the Predacon cause -- disenfranchised and frustrated at the Tripredacus Council's ineffectiveness, he went rogue - but still in the interests of the Predacon cause. And again, this is evidenced in The Agenda story arc, especially when he accuses the Maximals of having made the Predacons their slaves. He sees himself as fighting Maximal oppression.

But BM Megatron doesn't care about the Predacons - he indiscriminately enslaved all Sparks on Cybertron regardless of faction. And Thrustinator later argues that maybe he should have cared, since he, as a former Predacon, was the only Vehicon general who's always remained steadfastly loyal to Megatron.

So IMHO the character of BW Megatron was assassinated and replaced with BM Megatron.